Fine hair/low porosity? (cross post)

For all my fine haired or low-medium porosity curly gals, how, oh how! do you get moisture into your hair between washes?!

I have found out that my hair can absorb Shea Butter (tiny amount on wet hair) but I see no difference with or without it. It didn't make my hair softer at all. And if I use any more, it just sits there.

I think my hair absorbs oils better when wet (maybe everybody's does?) but in between washes, I have nothing! Everything I put on just sits on my hair. I did an ACV and observed that my hair behaved better, but no difference with oils and butters alone.

My hair gets dry at the 4th day point. I usually wash it at the point but sometimes there's no time. What's a curly to do?

*I posted this on the 4 board but I thought maybe I could get some good advice here too.
My hair is baby-fine to fine stranded, low to low-normal porosity, low elasticity, and loves protein and oils. I had a heck of a time recently getting moisture into my hair, and have lamented about it on several threads. I'm just now getting it to behave again!

Like you mentioned, I can use oils but oils were beginning to sit on my hair instead of absorb. And yes, oils on dry hair generally do nothing for me but sit. The ONLY thing I CAN do is use tine amount Shea or ABUHO to scrunch the crunch. Anything else, including Coconut oil pre-wash, is wasted effort on dry hair for me.

I'm still a newbie, so please take what I say next with a grain of salt. I was mad enough at my hair that I sat back and wondered which to do next to change the porosity of my hair (it was super low then) without wrecking it: Prell original (STRONG! basically dishwashing detergent) or a baking soda scrub via COwash. I already knew the effects of Prell from experience and knew I could go to it if I had to after the baking soda wash, so I tried the baking soda wash first. Except...I let it sit for a minute or two. Risky I know, but I was THAT angry with my hair. When GVP CB used to OC my hair and recently I couldn't get it to penetrate, oh yeah, it was war. But we now have a truce! I rinsed out the baking soda COwash and got out of the shower. This baking soda step you might can avoid, but it's what it took to open the cuticle I think for my hair.

Next, I got as much water out of my hair as I could, thinking about Strutswife's former post about water being a great medium vs. water-logged hair and my experimenting with DEL2C Spritz & Condish. Since my cuticle was open (no vinegar rinse, yet), I applied Lustrasilk Shea Mango and then put the diffuser on it some. Oh. My. God. When I rinsed this out, my hair was like pure silk! I did a light vinegar rinse afterwards and my hair barely needed condish for days after that! I COwash every day, so that's saying something for me!

Thinking more and more about the Spritz & Condish, I tried it again. It worked! I think I opened the cuticle a little (in a good way it seems), and for everyday use the S&CM is great! Maybe try that first? Then Lustrasilk with heat? Play with your hair at various points of water saturation: just wet it, fully wet, 50% dry, etc.? I mean, before trying something as drastic as baking soda, which I know some folks will say is pretty benign and while I understand that, I also understand that for some people it's pure-unadulterated-card-carrying-hair-destruction. So I can't advise it blindly. Nor the Prell.

Gah...did I help any? Basically get it balanced (like you ain't tryin' to do that) then try DEL2C's Sprtiz & Condish for the everyday stuff inbetween PTs/DTs. I still do the Super Soaker Method for certain products, and always have to mist my hair with water a little before adding any product because once I brush my teeth, my hair lost THAT much water already and won't style correctly now. So yeah, feel your pain!

Sorry that was SOOOOO long! Tried to be thorough!
2aFii, low porosity, protein!
Color treated (blonde, but darned grays!)
COwash: Suave, V05, Salon Care Honey Almond
CO: GVPCB, LVNPG, GFTN, HSH Pumpkin, Aura Cherry Almond Bark
DTs: Lustrasilk SM, GVPCB
PTs: Aphogee 2-step, ION Effective Care inbetween
LIs/Stylers: Any of my COs, FSG, EcoStyler Krystal, LOOC, shea butter to SOTC

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I've started using Garnier Fructis Triple Nutrition as a leave in, and I use more that I would have guessed I'd need- I got the idea from another thread. I didn't think my hair was dry until I realized it is a bit frizzy even when wet. I've been having much better hair days lately with this. I started cg in summer, so this is probably just a winter routine.

I'm curious to see what my hair will do when temps get into the single digits.
No cones since 08/25/09. Occasional low poo.
Fine, normal to low porosity (still not sure which), ii, 3a/3b curls
Playing with products: HEBE Mousse, BRHG, AOMM, HESMU. Nothing blows my mind just yet.


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I rinse every day. Komaza Aloe conditioner makes my hair feel very moist but not greasy or heavy. Since I live in a moist climate products with glycerin really help me. So do homemade spritzers . Protein treatments help hold in moisture also.
Type: 3a, fine, thin, low porosity Water/Climate: soft/ marine Washes: water w/washcloth, shikakai, clay Condition: Style:Seamollient, CurlsPFCCP, Miracurl, Gel-les'c, CK; rudeechick's super soaker method; blot, air dry 30 min; diffuse Also: coconut oil

Ladies, thanks so much for the feedback! I've been wondering if maybe I just need to co wash every day? That seems to be the only way to get my hair back (washing it I mean) when it gets dry. Peaches, I really appreciate all this. I've been curious about baking soda but afraid it will wreak havoc on my hair. So what is it about Prell that would bring ur hair back? Does it do something for the ph level?

And is there a thread about Del2c's spritz and condish that u could point me to? And what is ABUHO?

Thanks so much!!!

My hair is baby-fine to fine stranded, low to low-normal porosity, low elasticity, and loves protein and oils. I had a heck of a time recently getting moisture into my hair, and have lamented about it on several threads. I'm just now getting it to behave again!

Like you mentioned, I can use oils but oils were beginning to sit on my hair instead of absorb. And yes, oils on dry hair generally do nothing for me but sit. The ONLY thing I CAN do is use tine amount Shea or ABUHO to scrunch the crunch. Anything else, including Coconut oil pre-wash, is wasted effort on dry hair for me.

I'm still a newbie, so please take what I say next with a grain of salt. I was mad enough at my hair that I sat back and wondered which to do next to change the porosity of my hair (it was super low then) without wrecking it: Prell original (STRONG! basically dishwashing detergent) or a baking soda scrub via COwash. I already knew the effects of Prell from experience and knew I could go to it if I had to after the baking soda wash, so I tried the baking soda wash first. Except...I let it sit for a minute or two. Risky I know, but I was THAT angry with my hair. When GVP CB used to OC my hair and recently I couldn't get it to penetrate, oh yeah, it was war. But we now have a truce! I rinsed out the baking soda COwash and got out of the shower. This baking soda step you might can avoid, but it's what it took to open the cuticle I think for my hair.

Next, I got as much water out of my hair as I could, thinking about Strutswife's former post about water being a great medium vs. water-logged hair and my experimenting with DEL2C Spritz & Condish. Since my cuticle was open (no vinegar rinse, yet), I applied Lustrasilk Shea Mango and then put the diffuser on it some. Oh. My. God. When I rinsed this out, my hair was like pure silk! I did a light vinegar rinse afterwards and my hair barely needed condish for days after that! I COwash every day, so that's saying something for me!

Thinking more and more about the Spritz & Condish, I tried it again. It worked! I think I opened the cuticle a little (in a good way it seems), and for everyday use the S&CM is great! Maybe try that first? Then Lustrasilk with heat? Play with your hair at various points of water saturation: just wet it, fully wet, 50% dry, etc.? I mean, before trying something as drastic as baking soda, which I know some folks will say is pretty benign and while I understand that, I also understand that for some people it's pure-unadulterated-card-carrying-hair-destruction. So I can't advise it blindly. Nor the Prell.

Gah...did I help any? Basically get it balanced (like you ain't tryin' to do that) then try DEL2C's Sprtiz & Condish for the everyday stuff inbetween PTs/DTs. I still do the Super Soaker Method for certain products, and always have to mist my hair with water a little before adding any product because once I brush my teeth, my hair lost THAT much water already and won't style correctly now. So yeah, feel your pain!

Sorry that was SOOOOO long! Tried to be thorough!
Originally Posted by peaches1975
Next, I got as much water out of my hair as I could, thinking about Strutswife's former post about water being a great medium vs. water-logged hair
Originally Posted by peaches1975
One more thing...did Struttswife start a thread about this? My hair is def water logged after I wash it but I just thought it was b/c its so dense...I looked for a "water-logged" thread but no dice...
Not sure you need to cowash every day. Your scalp probably doesn't need the attention. I wet and do a rinse out every day.

Another idea is to occasionally "use the science." I use alkaline products twice a week. It's supposed to open the cuticle. I do a natural soap bar to cleanse, rinse out and ACV rinse to close the cuticle. My understanding is that Terax Crema is alkaline--my hair just loves it (despite the fact that the ingredients are nothing special.) I pair it with the soap bar, as my rinses out once a week. (I used to do it twice a week, but I have so many other conditioners to use.)
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
*I* COwash everday because my scalp needs it. Otherwise I get scalp acne every single time I try a steady every-other-day-washing routine. I also work out and get sweaty almost everyday. On days I don't, I give my hair a rest and try 2nd day hair. Which means I put it up. LOL! In any case, my situation for COwashing everyday doesn't mean you might need to.

Prell...it's pretty harsh. But there's nothing I can't get out of my hair with it. The baking soda COwash doesn't come close to the harshness nor cleaning ability in my opinion. Others may feel different. In any case, kathymack probably has better ideas for opening up the cuticle than I do!

ABUHO = Africa's Best Ultimate Herbal Oil. Great, found anywhere, and cheap!

DEL2C's thread: Spritz and Condish Washing for Porous Types+Thirsty Curls Everywhere!. At first you'll see that it didn't work for me, my reason, and then once Igot my hair balanced it DID work for me.

One more thing...did Struttswife start a thread about this? My hair is def water logged after I wash it but I just thought it was b/c its so dense...I looked for a "water-logged" thread but no dice...
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
Post #18, a GREAT post by Struttswife in this thread: ACV rinse after protein/DTs or before?

And TY for your explanation about soaps and alkaline/cuticle matters, kathymack! I try to follow your posts since your hair sounds a bit like mine. Would you mind discussing water and absorption with your hair, kathymack? IE. how much water does you hair need to have to absorb whatever you applied via PTs/DTs? Soaking wet? Spray with water THEN apply treatments? Or soak hair, then let it dry a little? Do I make any sense?
2aFii, low porosity, protein!
Color treated (blonde, but darned grays!)
COwash: Suave, V05, Salon Care Honey Almond
CO: GVPCB, LVNPG, GFTN, HSH Pumpkin, Aura Cherry Almond Bark
DTs: Lustrasilk SM, GVPCB
PTs: Aphogee 2-step, ION Effective Care inbetween
LIs/Stylers: Any of my COs, FSG, EcoStyler Krystal, LOOC, shea butter to SOTC

http://public.fotki.com/peaches1975/

Last edited by peaches1975; 11-17-2009 at 09:05 AM.
Hot oil treatments! I do it twice a month! the heat helps pentrate the oil into your hair. It helps my hair stay more moisturized during the days I don't wash. I also put a little bit of coconut oil after I wash and style, while my hair is still damp and that makes my hair much more shinier after it's dried.
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And TY for your explanation about soaps and alkaline/cuticle matters, kathymack! I try to follow your posts since your hair sounds a bit like mine. Would you mind discussing water and absorption with your hair, kathymack? IE. how much water does you hair need to have to absorb whatever you applied via PTs/DTs? Soaking wet? Spray with water THEN apply treatments? Or soak hair, then let it dry a little? Do I make any sense?
Originally Posted by peaches1975
I dampen my hair with water and then apply treatments--I just spray, don't soak it.

I do wet, do a rinse out and style every day. When my hair is dry, I put my fingers underneath and try to loosen hair from the scalp. I frequently notice that my hair doesn't absorb all of the oils/butters from the styling products until several hours after it has dried.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I was just gonna recommend the terax crema but I see kathy got here ahead of me.

Also, the Garnier Triple Nutrition seems to be working very well for me as a deep treatment. I've had a problem with getting my hair conditioned lately too. I sat in a hot bath with the GTN on and eventually I could feel it soak in and my hair was super buttery soft. A week later I just spritzed my hair wet and used GTN as a deep treat and it worked wonders.

The terax crema works so well I have to be careful to not use it on the parts of my hair that were bleached out lol.
Grand Goobah Caedran, Aqueous Infusion of Demulcents, Order of the Curly Crusaders

Fia 2cFi, fine texture, med porosity CG 5-29-09 * My hair loves protein! Currently using : DermOrganics Shampoo and IHM, G2B Kinkier Mousse, Re:Coil VMM, Anything Spiral Solutions! MO Sealing. Coconut Oil Pre-Poo, once a month Hard Water shampoo. Avoiding Glycerin in finishing products.

Thanks for all these great recommendations, ladies!!!

Ok, I wasn't sure how often I could use the ACV...I'm afraid it will dry out my hair. I guess I could try to do it once a week and see what happens. I was under the impression u should DT when using an ACV...is that incorrect?

Ya know...when I first went natural my hair was much more porous...its been so long since I changed over, I don't even remember what poo/conditioner I was using then. I think Garnier was one of em. I now only use organic/natural products. I can imagine that prell would do it b/c my hair is extremely sensitive to shampoo. The last shampoo I used that didn't have all natural ingredients was the Magnetic line by Giovanni. My hair felt completely stripped afterwards and I couldn't get a rake through it. I think I'll start with the ACV and re-evaluate if that doesn't do it.

Peaches, thanks so much for the links, I'll check them out!
Ok ladies, I had a consult today with a new hair stylist and she really blew my mind! She gave me so much info, it was crazy!

So ummm I don't even have low porosity...I thought I did b/c well...I can't absorb any oils alone and I can't absorb butters at all. She said the reason oils sit on my hair is b/c my texture is so fine. She also said I have high porosity (like many kinky curlies) and it is not due to damage.

The only damage I have is some splitting at the ends (I thought I was gonna need 4+ inches cut off but I'm only gonna lose about half that at most). She said she wouldn't recommend the ACV for me b/c it is not going to help me absorb oils/butter better. It may even make my hair dry and she suggested if I did have build up (which I don't) that using a shampoo (with sulfates maybe) would do the trick.

She told me some other ways that I can get moisture into my hair but really felt like my hair was fine and that regular DTs are all I need to do.

I think sometimes we curlies get so wrapped up in what we think is "wrong" with our hair, we try to fix things that aren't broken.

I really appreciate all these suggestions and hopefully some other low porosity curly will read this thread and get some great ideas. But I'm going to stick to what I'm doing for now.

I'm off the swap the oils I bought and never used!

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