I'm new here with a big problem (please help)

Hey everybody. New member here
Anyway, I have had a problem that I can't resolve in regards to my hair. I posted it over at longhaircommunity but nobody there could figure it out. It's really frustrating.. anyway, here's what it is! (sorry for the long read)

I decided that my hair was too dry to continue SLS shampoos (as well as silicons) a few months ago, so I tried out a few things- natural shampoos, ACV washes, and co-washes. They worked really well for a while. One product in particular was amazing- Matrix's Biolage Conditioning Balm. I couldn't believe how soft this stuff made my hair- as well as the way it looked. I'm a male (shaggy hair), so my hair is not really something i notice too much but this product stood out to me. I was so happy with how this, as well as not using SLS prodcuts, benefited my hair. I used a lot of this conditioner after my ACV washes or natural shampoo washes.

However, after about a month, I started noticing that my hair had a strange build-up in it, only on the top of my head (ya know, that spot where men usually start balding). My hair was lying flat and straight. I also noticed that my hair started to have a slight offensive smell to it. I tried washing this stuff out with my non-SLS methods but it wouldn't come out. Eventually it got worse and I couldn't take it anymore. My hair (usually wavy and thick) now felt waxy and straight. Keep in mind , this was only on the top of my head, on a few clumps of hair. I thought it was the dreaded "transition period" but the next thing i did proved this wrong.
I got fed up and gave in to SLS again. I washed my hair with "normal" SLS shampoo, expecting this stuff to come out- but it didn't. A few days later, I washed again, really drying out my hair. but it was still there the second i stepped out of the shower.
A month later, I have tried many many things-
washed with dish washing detergent; hot oil treatments; different SLS shampoos; baking soda washes; etc....

And my hair still has this in it!!! Even the second after washing with DISH WASHING DETERGENT, I looked in the mirror and it was still there!! This stuff won't come out! And it is now obvious that it's not jsut on the top part of my hair anymore. Now my hair everywhere has the feel/look of being overconditioned. It's straight, thin, waxy, and not clean feeling. My waves/curls are not defined or not even there for some matter. When I shake my head, my hair doesnt fly around like it used to before this.

What the hell do I do?!!?!?

I know this is really bad, but I tried scraping some of it out with a butter knife, and when i do, a white powder-type material comes off. It almost resembles a tiny particle of dust (btw- it's NOT dandruff).

This stuff is not on my scalp, just on my hair...
The only explanation I can come up with is that it was caused by the over-richness of the Biolage Conditioning Balm (knew it was too good to be true).
I'm guessing it kinda sealed my hair and made it un-permeable, because it won't wash out and sometimes my hair still smells funky after washing it with shampoo..
HELP

P.S- I'll post a pic if you all want.
This is a new one on me. I have NO CLUE what could build up that badly that dishwashing detergent wouldnt remove it.

Will be curious to see if anyone else has experienced this.

Sorry I cant help; good luck.
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http://www.toptipsforgirls.com/tip/h...roducts_/1082/

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...2184627AAVkrOs

Here are some links. I am sure that you did a search online but I typed in about waxy build up on hair in different phrases and got different search results each time so maybe there is something here you haven't seen.

Hope one of these helps!
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Hi Minorking09,

I have seen this before when I was back working as a hairstylist for several years ago. This is a waxy type buildup that can happen usually seen in babies,and some adults. I've found that the only thing that seemed to work for me was to apply an oil such as Olive oil to the scalp massage it in really well leave in hair for about 20 minutes then use a fine toothed comb to gently loosen and remove the waxy build up. Then just low poo or use a co-wash using it 2X and rinse out apply leave in if needed. You need to be careful of how your applying product to your hair when cleansing/conditioning it. Apply a quarter to fifty cent size ammount of co-wash to wet hair and scalp. Then add to palms and rub together working from the back of the neck forward massaging and working it in good as you go.

I know using oil on your scalp for this sounds weird but the oil is what loosens the waxy build up. Its actually sebum or hair oils that are accumulating and bonding to conditioner/shampoo residue on the scalp. If this helps but it still needs more of it removed repeat the steps and maybe add a shampoo to remove chlorine or swimmers hair shampoo. This tends to be harsh and drying so you'll need to condition it well afterward. I'd recommend rinsing thoroughly from now on to help. Probably 1X a week ACV rinse after co-wash and before final rinse out. The ACV removes any residue and brings the ph level back to the hair. ACV works well as an occasional rinsing agent and PH level adjustor.

I hope this info helps~

Hugs!

Nora
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3a/3bcurls, blonde, color treated,med fine.
Co-Wash: Suave Naturals & White Rain Conditioners,VO5 Moisture Milks, Burts Bees Super Shiny Grapefruit and Sugar Beet Shampoo

RO= GVPCB,Lustrasilk Shea Butter Cholestrol& Mango conditioner
LI= Herbal Essence Hello Hydration,VO5 Moisture Milks.
DT= JC WDT, GVP KPAK

Styling: FSG,,Ecostyler Krystal Gel, LALSG,&AfroVeda Curly Custard, Cocolatte Moisture Mask, Pur Whipped Gelly
Holy sh*t , thanks so much Czechfan, lol I didn't think anyone would help me..

I will do what you mentioned with the oil. How fine of a comb should I use?

Also, if it helps but I need to do it again like you mentioned, is it okay to do it right after? Or should I wait a few days? (please don't tell me I have to wait, lol)
oh yeah - babies get that! good catch!
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i tried it... didn't work
by the way, i've done the oil thing twice already lol so although I was hopeful that it would work, I wasn't surprised.
THIS SUCKS!

Last edited by minorking09; 11-18-2009 at 09:38 PM. Reason: none
Hi,

I'm sorry that it didn't work. I've used this method in the past on clients and my own kids and it did work. Maybe try a dandruff shampoo. The olive oil won't hurt your hair it will be pre poo type conditioning treatment, or like a hot oil treatment. Regarding the fine tooth comb. Just a regular comb with the teeth really close together. The trick is to have the oil loosen up the sebum buildup and using the fine toothed comb to loosen it further and gently work it off the scalp in the affected area. Please don't use dishwashing detergent on your hair its way harsh and will strip it of any moisture and make your hair dry and frizzy.

I wish you luck with resolving this and maybe give the dandruff shampoo a try, just something like tegrin, head and shoulders, or selsun blue. This could be a case of seborrea dermatitis. It just means that the sebum is building up in a area, its nothing serious or to worry about dandruff shampoos particularly Tegrin or Selsun Blue would be good choices for that. I think Selsun now has a natural type line.

Take care

Nora
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3a/3bcurls, blonde, color treated,med fine.
Co-Wash: Suave Naturals & White Rain Conditioners,VO5 Moisture Milks, Burts Bees Super Shiny Grapefruit and Sugar Beet Shampoo

RO= GVPCB,Lustrasilk Shea Butter Cholestrol& Mango conditioner
LI= Herbal Essence Hello Hydration,VO5 Moisture Milks.
DT= JC WDT, GVP KPAK

Styling: FSG,,Ecostyler Krystal Gel, LALSG,&AfroVeda Curly Custard, Cocolatte Moisture Mask, Pur Whipped Gelly
I would go to a dermatologist. Good luck.
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I would go to a dermatologist. Good luck.
Originally Posted by anniemae
2nd that recommendation
I agree dermatologist.

Keep in mind that sebum works in supply and demand so when you over stimulate the scalp it will produce more sebum. so when you do the above treatments make sure you do them as gently as possible and try not to do them too much. Also try mixing some Tea tree oil in with them.

This has got to be frustrating, good luck to you.
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Right now I am using GVP conditioning balm for cowash and RO,
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I really don't think it's something that I would have to see a dermatologist for.. I am blaming it on the combination of going low-poo and using so much of the Biolage Conditioning Balm..

Anyway, are there any treatments (someone suggested a Malibu treatment?) that I can buy to help with this? Hot oil treatments aren't helping..
I don't know what kind of water you have, but you really could be having a product/water build up. If the malibu someone else mentioned is the same as the malibu I'm thinking, its probably for hard water.

However, since you have sooo much build up, I'm not sure one washing will get rid of it. Find a good clarifying shampoo with citric acid in it. Or sally's has a hard water shampoo as well. I have very hard water and use Kenra Clarifying shampoo. Make sure if you go find one it says it removes "mineral" build up. Not just chlorine.

What czechfan said made sense, but since the oil wouldn't remove it, then it could be like limescale, only on your head, and oil definitely won't remove that. You can try using the clarifying shampoo for a week or two.

Or the first couple of times you use the shampoo, leave it soaking on your head for 5 mins to help dissolve the build up. Vinegar is also good to help dissolve hard water build up.
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I don't see how it can be water build up as i've been washing with the same water for years with no problems.. I just don't think it's a coincidence that this occurered at the same time as when I started switching hair washing methods/products lol.
I don't mean just water build up, its water in combination with certain products that causes the build up. Which would be why its happening since you changed products. See what I mean?
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If there is nothing on your scalp, only on your hair, there is no point in seeing a dermathologist.

However, a hairdresser might be able to help!

Otherwise... shave it off? Cut it?
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I don't mean just water build up, its water in combination with certain products that causes the build up. Which would be why its happening since you changed products. See what I mean?
Originally Posted by goobernut
Oh , yeah that makes more sense. I've been using different clarifying shampoos for the past 2-3 weeks now every time I wash (every three days or so) and to no avail.. they both have citric acid in them. =\
at the risk of sounding silly, which clarifying shampoos? If you have hard water, and they contain a form of soap, castille or whatever, you're not clarifying, you're making it worse. Soap bars will make it worse. Anything with a soap type product. You need to use something with a chemical surfactant rather than a soap. Most "natural" shampoos are made out of liquid soap.

However, if its a detergent and its got citric acid in it, then I don't know what else to tell you. Sorry
Grand Goobah Caedran, Aqueous Infusion of Demulcents, Order of the Curly Crusaders

Fia 2cFi, fine texture, med porosity CG 5-29-09 * My hair loves protein! Currently using : DermOrganics Shampoo and IHM, G2B Kinkier Mousse, Re:Coil VMM, Anything Spiral Solutions! MO Sealing. Coconut Oil Pre-Poo, once a month Hard Water shampoo. Avoiding Glycerin in finishing products.

at the risk of sounding silly, which clarifying shampoos? If you have hard water, and they contain a form of soap, castille or whatever, you're not clarifying, you're making it worse. Soap bars will make it worse. Anything with a soap type product. You need to use something with a chemical surfactant rather than a soap. Most "natural" shampoos are made out of liquid soap.

However, if its a detergent and its got citric acid in it, then I don't know what else to tell you. Sorry
Originally Posted by goobernut
Suave Deep Cleaning for Men, and VO5 Clarifying Shampoo
OK I'll take a guess.

If it's a hard-water-and-soap buildup then I don't know that there is anything that can remove it without removing your hair. Because when that stuff gets on the tub it takes phosphoric acid to remove it, and that would not be safe or healthy on your hair.

If it's wax, it may be a matter of sitting there scraping it off, then the oil and comb sounds best, get someone to help and get a flea or nit comb, something super-small-tooth, section your hair and scrape it off.

As my mom says, worst case scenario usually is you shave your head and it grows back, that's the good thing about hair.
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