Hair losing curl pattern, dry... I'm at a loss...

My hair has been happy and healthy for years and suddenly, it's become very stringy, limp, and dry. There's no breakage, but it doesn't feel soft or nice. And I can get the curls to clump at all. I've tried some deep conditioning treatments (Aussie 3 min and Garnier 3 min masks), no difference. I tried an ACV rinse, which has helped in the past and it's still the same. I haven't changed my products or styling routine, so I really don't know what is going on. I have 3a/3b hair, medium porosity, perm dye.

Shampoo: Pantene Brunette Expressions
Conditioner: Herbal Essense (the blue bottle)
Styling products: Tresemme Curl Lotion, Tresemme Curly mousse, the yellow LA Looks gel to set


I know they're not CG or anything, but they've worked great for years... and now, my hair is a hot mess. Any ideas/suggestions?
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. ~Thomas Jefferson
I don't see your texture listed anywhere in your siggie. Is it possible you are fine-textured and in need of some protein?
My hair is kind of medium/fine texture (sorry, forgot to include that).
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. ~Thomas Jefferson
My hair is kind of medium/fine texture (sorry, forgot to include that).
Originally Posted by SpinCycle
I'm a mostly fine, some medium and I have had to learn not to be so afraid of protein. I avoid wheat proteins at all cost, they cause me instant straw-like dry hair. Protein can be helpful in balancing moisture levels in hair. The trick is to find your own balance of moisture and protein to maintain the life of your curls.

I can use Nexxus Emergencee weekly and follow up with a moisturizing condish and it tolerates it really well. I don't find it to be drying at all. I'm able to find it at Walgreen's.

You might give it a try and see what happens. This time of year can be tricky and I know when my hair just seems to be losing its curl and feels kind of dry a quick hit of protein and moisture will shape things up quite nicely!

Does this thread help?

Finer Hair + Protein

Last edited by misspam; 01-02-2010 at 02:48 PM. Reason: added thread link
Thank you so much! That link is great... I'll give some of those products a try and hope that my hair bounces back...
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. ~Thomas Jefferson
Good luck! I hope a hit of protein is what your curls need to bounce back.
I agree with everyone else. The first signs that I needed protein were that my hair was curling less and the curls were stringy. I hope a protein treatment helps you!
"...just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face." ~Harry Dresden

That is the thing about silicones; they work for awhile or make you think they help your hair but build up and eventually flatten out curls. Same with SLS , over time it gradually damages hair. It may be time to try CG!
Type: 3a, fine, thin, low porosity Water/Climate: soft/ marine Washes: water w/washcloth, shikakai, clay Condition: Style:Seamollient, CurlsPFCCP, Miracurl, Gel-les'c, CK; rudeechick's super soaker method; blot, air dry 30 min; diffuse Also: coconut oil

That is the thing about silicones; they work for awhile or make you think they help your hair but build up and eventually flatten out curls. Same with SLS , over time it gradually damages hair. It may be time to try CG!
Originally Posted by Heather0kay
You know, that's a good point. I was more focused on the OP possibly needing protein that I mostly discounted the products in her siggie.

SpinCycle - Have you considered changing up some of your products and seeing if possibly the silicones may be the cause of your hair losing curl? The silicones coat the hair, creating a bond with the hairshaft and not allowing any moisture to penetrate.

links:
Cones, polyquats, ions, and removal of buildup
Getting Your Curl On: a step-by-step guide
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...p-on-silicones
Can your hair need protein even when it feels dry or straw-like? I've avoided all protein for a few months now, and while it's medium/coarse it stretches quite a bit in the shower, and it's starting to lose curl...but it still feels a bit straw-like.
Type 2b/2c, med/coarse, low porosity, medium density

Co-wash: Suave Naturals Tangerine, Live Clean Moisturizing, CJ Daily Fix, GTTT, Tigi MM

Conditioner: Tigi MM, Jessicurl WDT, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Daily Smoothing, CJ H&B Deep Fix

Deep Treatment: same as rinse out

Leave-in: KCKT or my rinseout

Styling Aids: Alberto/V05 Gel, HETT/HESMU, KCCC
Thanks for the great input, everyone... I've been looking at dropping the crappy hair products I've been using, but had no idea where to start. I used to use nicer stuff, but college drained my spare funds for a few years (my hair loved Jessicurl, I might look into that again). Now that it's over, I have more money to spend on better hair stuff... and more time to devote to trying CG. I just need to dig out my CG book... lol

Thanks for all the great links, misspam
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. ~Thomas Jefferson
You dont have to spend a lot of money on products to get good products.

Trader Joes has good cheap CO's as does Suave and V05.

Sally's also has a lot of good CO's.

So dont give up yet. Take a look around and try to focus on the stuff you can get on the ground (HA thats cute) or online that dont cost an arm and a leg.
Precious Honey
3c with some 3b at the bottom.
Im lovin HENNA
Light protein use

Co-wash: Suave Daily Clarifying Co
Rinse-out: Back to Basics Pom Peach (old bottle) or GVP Conditioning Balm
DT: GVP Condidtioning Balm with heat
Leave in: Elucence MBC
Gel: HEBE or Aussie Instant Freeze gel.
Shampoo: Elucence Moisture Balance
http://public.fotki.com/Precioushoney/
You dont have to spend a lot of money on products to get good products.

Trader Joes has good cheap CO's as does Suave and V05.

Sally's also has a lot of good CO's.

So dont give up yet. Take a look around and try to focus on the stuff you can get on the ground (HA thats cute) or online that dont cost an arm and a leg.
Originally Posted by PreciousHoney
Thanks for the heads up! I'll have to take a trip there this week.
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. ~Thomas Jefferson
I know what you mean about using lousy products, I've been doing that too and my hair looks frizzy and awful now. The funny thing is my hairdresser makes it look great, all shinny and smooth when I leave her, but two days later it looks all dry and frizzy again. I can try her products but boy are they PRICEY. I'm not sure that want to spend $30+ on just a conditioner. I think I'll have to try some other product instead. The only thing that seems to get my hair looking healthy is cutting it shorter with hair scissors.


Thanks for the great input, everyone... I've been looking at dropping the crappy hair products I've been using, but had no idea where to start. I used to use nicer stuff, but college drained my spare funds for a few years (my hair loved Jessicurl, I might look into that again). Now that it's over, I have more money to spend on better hair stuff... and more time to devote to trying CG. I just need to dig out my CG book... lol

Thanks for all the great links, misspam
Originally Posted by SpinCycle
One advice is to try CG. It can be very helpful.

If you want to continue using your same products. I would suggest you use a clarifying shampoo to make sure you get rid of all silicone build up. Not just your regular shampoo...it needs to be clarifying. Make sure you use enough and that you thoroughly get it through your hair. After a good cleaning, you might find your products seem like new again and will give you the same results that they did before, when you liked them.

If that doesn't work, then yes, it could be a protein issue. My hair gets dry and loses its curl pattern when I use too much protein or wheat protein. You might have a sensitivity to protein or some other ingredient.
That's right, I said it! I wear scrunchies!!

I am a sulfate washing, cone slabbing, curly lovin' s.o.b. The CG police haven't caught me yet.


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