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Old 03-27-2010, 12:49 PM   #61
 
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This is exciting!

I absolutely need "grabby hair" if I don't want my hair to look like a big poofy (frizzy) mess.
With slippy conditioners/LIs, my hair feels nice (soft, anti-tangling , healthy) but looks really messy.

BUT until finding this thread, I thought it was an issue of how much conditioner I use as a leave-in AND how much gel. (Conditioner making it soft/slippy, gel making it crunchy/clumpy/grabby.)
Now I have to rethink and am excited to find a solution!

I have very fine hair, but fortunately loads of it.
I think I'm not porous, since I can airdry my hair over night and still need two extra hours in the morning until it's really dry.
I hardly ever tangle.
My hair is 3a on top and 2c underneath, so I try to encourage curls.
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Old 06-12-2010, 09:12 AM   #62
 
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Wow! What a great thread! I have learned so much and this is exactly what I've been struggling with, but just didn't really know how to say it or what was going on. This has cleared up so much for me!


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Take it with a grain of salt, but I think the grabby vs. slippery is not so much porosity, but it's about TEXTURE. A lot of wavies, especially ones that easily get weighed down, need something that is more texturizing than detangling. Slip is just that.. it slicks the cuticle to reduce friction and the hairs slide over each other easily. Texturizing does the opposite. That's why when you go to the beach you get really cool beachy waves and lots of volume, but your hair "feels" different, the salt in the water gives texture to the hair.

I like it right in the middle. A moderate amount of slip. For every day or for a leave-in anyway.
This is exactly what's been happening to me. I get weighed down very easily so I thought I was getting overconditioned, so I'd back off of the conditioning, but then immediately my hair would get dry and frizzy with no definition.

I knew my balance was off, but I just couldn't figure out how to make it right. This "grabby" texturizing thing makes total sense to me and I guess unless you have hair that doesn't need slip, and it seems to me that more curlies need slip than don't, it really wouldn't make any sense.

Anyway, I feel like I've finally turned another corner in my curly hair journey and the mystery is slowly unraveling itself.
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Old 06-18-2010, 03:42 PM   #63
 
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This is interesting. You guys say grabby vs slip in your leave-in, but how does your hair actually feel when it DRIES when using a grabby leave-in vs. a slippery one? Does it still feel kind of grabby and hard to comb through, or does it become softer? I had Curl Keeper used on me and post SOTC my hair actually dried feeling like glue and really producty, and I couldn't even get a comb through it. It was awful. Would grabby leave-ins dry feeling even slightly like that? I don't know if I could take it. I hate having limper curls, but at least they are soft and touchable (and I don't even use a leave-in, just gel, it's just that I get overconditioned from my rinse out really easily). *shudders* Curl Keeper was the most icky thing I've ever had in my hair.
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Old 07-09-2013, 11:16 PM   #64
 
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I'm bumping up this thread! I found it very interesting!

I'm seeking a "grabby" conditioner (to use as a leave-in) that is glycerin-free and has protein. Something not too heavy. Any suggestions?

I found this post: The Wavy Tales: The Conditioner Scales and I'm going through all the orange-labeled conditioners but nothing that has really fit the bill. Maybe if I add CNPF to Miracurls?

Thanks for any help!
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I'm bumping up this thread! I found it very interesting!

I'm seeking a "grabby" conditioner (to use as a leave-in) that is glycerin-free and has protein. Something not too heavy. Any suggestions?

I found this post: The Wavy Tales: The Conditioner Scales and I'm going through all the orange-labeled conditioners but nothing that has really fit the bill. Maybe if I add CNPF to Miracurls?

Thanks for any help!
This was a grabby leave-in on me.
Darcy's Botanicals - Shea Butter Curl Moisturizing Cream

Distilled Water, Unrefined Shea Butter, Pumpkin Seed Oil, Conditioning Emulsifier, Cetyl Esters, Silk Protein, Copaiba Balsam, Gotu Kola Extract, Licorice Root Extract, Botanical Extracts, Vitamin E, Paraben Free Preservative, Fragrance
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:17 AM   #66
 
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Thanks Jessiebanana!
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:37 AM   #67
 
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What ingredients cause a conditioner to be grabby? Not sure if this thread singled out any. The grabby effect on me promotes clumps with minimal effort. I have fine hair w/ normal porosity, medium density and normal elasticity. I think I would prefer a "grabbier" LI, as opposed to slippery LIs which tend to break up my clumps more and elongate my waves as well.

IME, a few conditioners have been grabby.

Body Shop Rainforest Moisture Conditioner:

Water (Solvent/Diluent), Sucrose, Disodium Cocoyl Glutamate (Surfactant), Lauryl Betaine (Surfactant), Laureth-5 Carboxylic Acid (Surfactant - Cleansing Agent), Honey (Natural Additive), PEG-55 Propylene Glycol Oleate (Surfactant), Propylene Glycol (Humectant), Sodium Chloride (Viscosity Modifier), Glycerin (Humectant), Fragrance (Fragrance), Polyglyceryl-4 Caprate (Skin-Conditioning Agent), Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), Sucrose Laurate (Skin-Conditioning Agent), Isopropyl Alcohol (Solvent), Polyquaternium-6 (Conditioner), Salicylic Acid (Preservative/Hair Conditioner), Citric Acid (pH Adjuster), Schinziophyton Rautanenii (Mongongo) Kernel Oil (Skin-Conditioning Agent), Pentaclethra Macroloba Seed Oil (Skin-Conditioning Agent), Sodium Hydroxide (pH Adjuster), Tocopherol (Antioxidant).

Body Shop Rainforest Radiance Condish:

Water (Solvent/Diluent), Cetearyl Alcohol (Emulsifier), Glyceryl Stearate (Emulsifier), Distearoylethyl Hydroxyethylmonium Methosulfate (Antistatic Agent), Glycine Soja Oil (Emollient/Skin Conditioner), Polyglyceryl-4 Caprate (Skin-Conditioning Agent), Glycerin (Humectant), Parfum (Fragrance), Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), Sucrose Laurate (Skin-Conditioning Agent), Hydroxypropyl Guar (Emulsion stabilizer, Viscocity increasing agent), Linum Usitatissimum Seed Oil (Fragrance Ingredient), Salicylic Acid (Preservative/Hair Conditioner), Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice (Skin Conditioning Agent), Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate (Sunscreen), Pentaclethra Macroloba Seed Oil (Skin-Conditioning Agent), Citric Acid (pH Adjuster), Vaccinium Myrtillus Fruit Extract (Skin-Conditioning Agent), Tocopherol (Antioxidant).

Ion Effective Care Treatment

WATER ,CETYL ALCOHOL ,STEARYL ALCOHOL ,DICETYLDIMONIUM CHLORIDE ,STEARALKONIUM CHLORIDE ,HYDROLYZED VEGETABLE PROTEIN ,DISTEARYLDIMONIUM CHLORIDE ,STEARAMINE OXIDE ,PEG-5 SOY STEROL ,LECITHIN ,FRAGRANCE ,LAURETH-12 ,GLYCERYL STEARATE ,PEG-100 STEARATE ,CETEARYL ALCOHOL ,METHYLPARABEN ,PANTHENOL ,CITRIC ACID ,METHYLCHLOROISOTHIAZOLINONE ,METHYLISOTHIAZOLINONE ,BENZYL BENZOATE ,LIMONENE


Hmmmmmmm....... I hadn't tried these as leave-ins, only ROs but I can tell they were starting to clump my hair. Def with the Body Shop ones my hair dried clumpier.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:30 AM   #68
 
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I found this post: The Wavy Tales: The Conditioner Scales and I'm going through all the orange-labeled conditioners but nothing that has really fit the bill. Maybe if I add CNPF to Miracurls?
Interesting! That link is really useful - I think I need to add a heavier conditioner to my routine. My hair doesn't seem to like light conditioners as both RO and LI. I have a couple on order.

I may experiment with the grabby vs. slip, but right now I'm more concerned about frizz and hair health than curl definition anyway.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:20 AM   #69
 
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I found this post: The Wavy Tales: The Conditioner Scales and I'm going through all the orange-labeled conditioners but nothing that has really fit the bill. Maybe if I add CNPF to Miracurls?
Interesting! That link is really useful - I think I need to add a heavier conditioner to my routine. My hair doesn't seem to like light conditioners as both RO and LI. I have a couple on order.

I may experiment with the grabby vs. slip, but right now I'm more concerned about frizz and hair health than curl definition anyway.
I really <3 the Alba Botanica LI, it's pretty rich! I actually can't use it regularly because I can get OCed with my fine hair but back when my hair was drier it worked wonders!

EDIT: I wouldn't say it's particularly grabby nor slippy but a bit on the slippery side of the spectrum.
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Cowash: CJ Daily Fix
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni 2chic BK&AO
RO: TN Radiant Care, Giovanni SaS, Ogx BKT*, Sukin Nourishing, SS Caitlin's, various
LI: sometimes TN Radiant Care
Styler: FSG with CNPF, CJ Pattern Pusha, Volumax Mega, Ouidad Climate Control*, Ogx BKT serum*
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

*have cones
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