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Old 09-29-2006, 10:43 AM   #1
 
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Jenny, I noticed how you say in your fotki that your curls seem to spring up when you shampoo...?
I am on strict CG now (3 weeks on sunday), but I can honestly say that I was much curlier before...
I"ve always used gentle poos & avoided cones anyway-because I read so many beautymagazines!
So everybody-why does CG make some A LOT more curly & makes mine less...?
Otherwise than that I havent had any problems,itching,grasy hair...no..
but where did my curls go
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Old 09-29-2006, 10:58 AM   #2
 
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Not Jenny buy my theory is..if your hair is dry or damaged the extra oil will be good for your curls..but if your hair is really healthy, the oil only weighs down your curls and keeps them from their maximum boinginess potential.
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Old 09-29-2006, 11:07 AM   #3
 
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I've never really speculated into it too much, but i know my hair is really easily prone to buildup and almost every styling product i own has at least one polyquat. although i cant feel the buildup, i'm assuming a clarifying rinse or wash helps remove any unfelt/noticed buildup helping the curls spring up.

also, my hair is prone to overconditioning and overconditioing causes your hair to be fluffy, flyaway and not clump. i think fine curly hair, such as mine, actually needs a little harshness or lack of conditioning to make it clump and curl. without a cleansing wash at least once a week my hair will just be in too good a condition so that it is fluffier and hangs more limp than bouncy tight curls.

thats just my theory but all i know is cleansing once a week does help my curls, so i just do it
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Thanks for the replies!

Iwantcurlyhair, I dont use oil as my hair doesnt agree with them.
A little bit is ok, but Jessicurl is too much.

Jenny, I can relate to what you say about that finer curlies need tougher treatment!! My hair is best by the sea, with all that saltwater & not too much conditioning.
I"m off to shampoo now!!
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Old 09-29-2006, 11:47 AM   #5
 
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yeh i get the BEST beach hair! i love it! i acutally get volume, ALL my hair is in tight curls (think redcelticcurl style) and the only downside is it feels really dry. i tried making a spray with salt added but the dry feeling wouldnt go away.

i recommend a lemon rinse over a shampoo as it doesnt dry hair out at all and makes it smoother and knot free, moreso than a good conditioner. but a shampoo is ok too - just dont go back to sulfates. cocobetaine or something similar is ok
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I agree with the second post - that if your hair already doesn't need much moisture, then only co-washing will give it more moisture and weigh down the curls. I have photos of my hair before CG and it is full of volume. Now, though, it isn't as much. I'm still quite new to CG though, so who knows what will happen once I get into a routine I like.

Maybe try shampooing ocassionally and see if it makes a difference. As long as your hair is healthy it doesn't matter if you can't call yourself CG
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Old 09-29-2006, 11:51 AM   #7
 
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yeh dryness = volume for me, and super shiny conditioned hair = flat head with no volume. i'm still trying to find a happy medium
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yeh dryness = volume for me, and super shiny conditioned hair = flat head with no volume. i'm still trying to find a happy medium
I find this to be interesting as I'm the total opposite. Dry for me is flat fuuzy and no curl.
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Old 09-29-2006, 11:56 AM   #9
 
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well i dont know - when dry i DO get a lot more frizz and it doesnt look as good but i get more volume and the curls are more curly.

i guess its more true that my hair doesnt curl as much when over conditioned. my ideal hair would be beach hair all the time without the dryness. it really does like yours red, which i can never acheive normally unless its cut up to my ears
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My hair needs shampoo a couple of times a week. Otherwise it goes flat and gets too frizzy from overconditioning. I guess my hair is in pretty decent shape afterall! I use L'Oreal Nature's Therapy Mega Moisture shampoo which is really gentle (just has sodium laureth sulfate, but no lauryl or coco-betaine). I still can't figure out what makes certain types of hair like shampoo compared to those who can't use it without getting a ton of frizz/lifeless curls. I have tried full blown CG a few times and it just wont work for me. But I am happy doing a modified CG. My hair is looking better every day, so I must be doing something right!
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I just shampooed!! Already when coming out of the shower my curls looked tighter!!YAY!!
Ingredients:
Hypericum perforatum extract (millepertuis), water, ammonium lauryl sulfate, peg-4 rapeseesamide, peg-7 glyceryl cocoate, disodium cocoamphodiacetate, ceteareth-60 myristyl glycol, peg-15 cocopolyamine. sodium laureth sulfate....

Ok, I am bored of typing it all...this is NOT a complete list.
Its Phyto Phytonectar shampoo for ultradry hair
-has hydrolyzed proteins
-polyquaternium-10
-bitter orange flower wax
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Old 09-29-2006, 01:45 PM   #12
 
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I did notice a tighter curl pattern when I used regular shampoo a couple of months ago. I liked that, but it dried my hair and messed my scalp up.
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Old 09-29-2006, 02:25 PM   #13
 
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I think there has to be a delicate balance honestly in order to get the maximum curl potential. Curly hair is obviously dry by nature which is why CG works for so many curlies..especially tighter haired curlies. However for some of us when you get to that maximum moisture level all it does is make our curls heavier or get overconditoned. Some people never have to worry about getting overconditioned or having too much moisture but I think that's what those of us who are modified have found. And obviously if you wash your hair too often or with too harsh of a shampoo your hair will get dry all over again. So a balance is needed for some of us(I think especially loose curlies or wavies, or fine haired curlies that get weighed down).
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:21 PM   #14
 
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The people whose curls have benefitted a lot from CG have probably been on a CG routine for a long time. Within the first month of CG, you will probably notice your hair weighed down and frizzy. This is usually while your hair gets used to the no shampoo thing.

The 2 to 3 week point in CG is usually known for being difficult.
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Old 09-29-2006, 04:00 PM   #15
 
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I've never really speculated into it too much, but i know my hair is really easily prone to buildup and almost every styling product i own has at least one polyquat. although i cant feel the buildup, i'm assuming a clarifying rinse or wash helps remove any unfelt/noticed buildup helping the curls spring up.

also, my hair is prone to overconditioning and overconditioing causes your hair to be fluffy, flyaway and not clump. i think fine curly hair, such as mine, actually needs a little harshness or lack of conditioning to make it clump and curl. without a cleansing wash at least once a week my hair will just be in too good a condition so that it is fluffier and hangs more limp than bouncy tight curls.

thats just my theory but all i know is cleansing once a week does help my curls, so i just do it
My hair is this way too. I have fine strands. I was on CG for well over a year and my hair got really healthy. During this time my highlights also grew out.
This year, if I don't shampoo every week it gets over conditioned build up=y and droopy. Well, so I have to shampoo.
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Old 09-29-2006, 05:48 PM   #16
 
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I use my sulfate free cleanser once a week and occasionally I have to clarify with Elucence clarifying shampoo. The first year I tried CG I had to do it a couple of times that summer. This year I just clarified about 2 weeks ago. Every once in a while my hair will just get build up on it and be limp and frizzy. It doesn't happen as often now that I'm used to what my hair likes but full CG wasn't for me.

Everyone has different curls and I think that as long as I follow the basic rules of it and don't use cones or proteins then my hair is much healthier than it was before I found this site.
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Old 05-18-2007, 04:17 AM   #17
 
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I've never really speculated into it too much, but i know my hair is really easily prone to buildup and almost every styling product i own has at least one polyquat. although i cant feel the buildup, i'm assuming a clarifying rinse or wash helps remove any unfelt/noticed buildup helping the curls spring up.

also, my hair is prone to overconditioning and overconditioing causes your hair to be fluffy, flyaway and not clump. i think fine curly hair, such as mine, actually needs a little harshness or lack of conditioning to make it clump and curl. without a cleansing wash at least once a week my hair will just be in too good a condition so that it is fluffier and hangs more limp than bouncy tight curls.

thats just my theory but all i know is cleansing once a week does help my curls, so i just do it
To be honest I agree.

Im a 3B curly - fine hair - just lots of it. I am on my third day of CG and my hair is fluffy, flyaway, with no definition.

I think Im going back to my shampoo.
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Old 05-18-2007, 07:22 AM   #18
 
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Curly hair is obviously dry by nature which is why CG works for so many curlies...
This isn't necessarily true. I'm one of those curlies who Massey claims cannot possibly exist: my hair is not the least bit dry, and in fact actually tends toward being oily, despite the fact that I use shampoo (though now it's a sulfate-free one) and diffuse every, single day. I know I'm in the curly minority, but I'm not the only one in the world like this!
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Curly hair is obviously dry by nature which is why CG works for so many curlies...
This isn't necessarily true. I'm one of those curlies who Massey claims cannot possibly exist: my hair is not the least bit dry, and in fact actually tends toward being oily, despite the fact that I use shampoo (though now it's a sulfate-free one) and diffuse every, single day. I know I'm in the curly minority, but I'm not the only one in the world like this!
That's really interesting. I've seriously never heard of someone with curly hair whose hair isn't dry. And every singe article I've ever read on curly hair also seems to suggest the same thing. I've even had a few stylists reassure me that "curly hair is dry by nature" so I should give up on the idea that my hair will ever be less dry. Thank you for saying that, I've learned something new today! (And lucky you!)

ETA: After re-reading this thread, also in my original post what I think I meant by the oil was the scalp's natural oils that it produces. I don't think condition washing completely removes all of that. Also strict condition washing can(but doesn't always!) lead to buildup of many things which would also weigh down fine curls. Even co-washing with cheap conditioners that don't have cones or polyquats leads to build up in my hair. My hair is currently overconditioned and I can feel build up as well. I'm glad this got bumped up, it reminds me that I need to poo.
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I'm actually not dry either unless I use ridiculously harsh products long term. I have to shampoo every single day or my hair just gets flat and limp. My hair is fairly thick and moderately coarse, too. CG was a disaster for me. My scalp was disgusting and my hair was insanely frizzy no matter how much product I piled on to try to control it.

My magic equation for healthy looking defined hair seems to be: Daily shampoo + moderate conditioning + lightweight, firm hold styling and ALWAYS diffusing dry. So basically, the exact opposite of what L. Massey says. Go figure.
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