Have u actually read the book? "Curly Girl" Deborah Chiel and Lorraine Massey?

Yes. I have a copy when I first read it I was like oh now all that stuff I figured out on my own 10 years ago makes sense. It taught me about silicones/sulfates and I liked the stories and styles. Other then that I learn everything else through this website and trial and error.
Don't spend money on it. This website has everything it has plus more, but if you'd like to be sure you've got the "basics" (like me):

GET IT FROM THE LIBRARY!
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Last process: 04/05/08 Big Chop: 08/08/09
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I've read the book and really I dont think it's worth buying. Rent it if you can. It's very short and simple and there's no reason to own it, in my opinion. There is much more info available here and elsewhere on the net.
Very coarse, thick, porous 3B. My biggest challenge is SOFTNESS and SHINE.

Current shampoo: Biosilk w/ added vitamin E
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Leave-ins: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, KCCC
CG didn't work for me. Oils don't work for me. Trying hard to learn how to love my hair. Read my blog.
I found the site and then the book. Frankly, there is so much information on the site that as a newbie I couldn't make sense of it all. When I read the book it explained everything at a simple level which gave me a good starting point. I would suggest the book for a newbie who is feeling overwhelmed with the volume of info on this site and who doesn't know where to begin.
Yes and it was a good starting point.

But the information is much better here especially she only uses categories of wavy, botticelli and corkscrew IIRC. As has been discussed thoroughly here, there are so many factors outside curl type that determine what will work and what won't work for each individual.

Plus as already stated she's changed her stance on some things which makes the book a bit dated now.
Originally Posted by whatsercurl
Yes, I read it, but I get worlds more info here or from many of the blogs you can link to from here than from the book.

ITA with all Whatsercurl had to say about it.
2C/3A/3B - modified CG - fairly fine now, normal/low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite,CJ Pattern Pusha,, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

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I was admittedly a bit disappointed as well, though for different reasons.

First of all - and I know I'm in the minority here - what bothers me the most is the fact that a lot of the book is filled with half-page "curly girl confessions" which are random people describing how they've come to accept their curly hair... I know she's trying to do just the opposite, but calling them "confessions" really reinforces the idea that we should have to apologize for our hair (an idea already prevalent throughout the book). This "curly shame" thing was honestly a new concept to me, something that had never dawned on me until I read that book. Yes, our hair gets frizzy and doesn't look great if we don't take the time to style it... big deal.

I think the most unique thing about the book is its introduction of the "no poo" technique. However I have to admit (and with all due respect), the way Ms. Massey's hair looks makes me *not* want to forego my squeaky clean shampoo. I can't help but feel like her hair *still* looks dry and a bit frizzy even though she's supposedly discovered this miraculous routine which is purported to eliminate those two problems.

I also think using "real-life people" of all ages as models is a great idea on paper, but in real life it is a double-edged sword... I say this because I honestly would not want my hair to look like that of 70-80% of the models pictured in the book. There are quite a few real-life people on this website, with real-life curly hair, who look absolutely stunning - far more so than most of the hairdos and haircuts pictured in her book.

I really liked the historical timeline at the end of the book, it was very interesting. However the horoscopes right after were very very silly.

Anyway that's my review. I apologize if it made me sound shallow! Just my honest opinion!

Last edited by Aayla Secura; 02-06-2010 at 01:05 AM.
Well, I will always be grateful for this book as it introduced me to the CG method. But I agree with everyone else - the information contained within it has been surpassed by the info and experiences of all the knowledgeable curlies on boards such as this!

I first discovered it at a salon I used to go to and I have now given it to my new stylist at a different salon as they were v interested to learn about the CG method and cutting curls etc. Great!
UK - 3a/b med/coarse - mix normal/ high porosity.
Currently in my rotation:
Cleanser/Cowash: CJDF,
Tresemme Naturals, DGJ Hairjuice clarifying, Urtekram Lavender
Conditioners/DT's: CJH&BDF, CJCR, DBPSC, AOWC, Y2C
Protein: AOGPB, Joico Reconstruct Condish (regular not PT)
Leave Ins/Curl Creams: CJCCCC, CJ Smoothing, KeraCare/JCAC
Gel: FSG, BRHG, Giovanni LA Natural Styling Gel, L'Oreal Studio Mineral Control Invisi'Gel
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I was admittedly a bit disappointed as well, though for different reasons.

First of all - and I know I'm in the minority here - what bothers me the most is the fact that a lot of the book is filled with half-page "curly girl confessions" which are random people describing how they've come to accept their curly hair... I know she's trying to do just the opposite, but calling them "confessions" really reinforces the idea that we should have to apologize for our hair (an idea already prevalent throughout the book). This "curly shame" thing was honestly a new concept to me, something that had never dawned on me until I read that book. Yes, our hair gets frizzy and doesn't look great if we don't take the time to style it... big deal.

I think the most unique thing about the book is its introduction of the "no poo" technique. However I have to admit (and with all due respect), the way Ms. Massey's hair looks makes me *not* want to forego my squeaky clean shampoo. I can't help but feel like her hair *still* looks dry and a bit frizzy even though she's supposedly discovered this miraculous routine which is purported to eliminate those two problems.

I also think using "real-life people" of all ages as models is a great idea on paper, but in real life it is a double-edged sword... I say this because I honestly would not want my hair to look like that of 70-80% of the models pictured in the book. There are quite a few real-life people on this website, with real-life curly hair, who look absolutely stunning - far more so than most of the hairdos and haircuts pictured in her book.

I really liked the historical timeline at the end of the book, it was very interesting. However the horoscopes right after were very very silly.

Anyway that's my review. I apologize if it made me sound shallow! Just my honest opinion!
Originally Posted by Aayla Secura
Don't apologize. It's an honest opinion--I feel the same way. I don't think LM's hair looks good in the book, or videos, etc. It may rock, in person--but I haven't had the opportunity to see it that way.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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I have the book and it was helpful at first, but I have to agree there is much more info on this site. Also, I thought she was coming out with a new version, so I wouldn't buy the book on e-bay unless it is the new one and has updated info.
I've read it too but this site, like everyone has said, has so much more information. I did hear though, from my old stylist, that Lorraine is coming out with a new version of the book.
Crystal Tips, I just checked out Flickr, and I'm in love with your hair! Love the new cut, but it'd already been looking great for months. Wish I could get those darned clamps to work well for me, but I'm not quite a curly as you any more, and it usually just looks weird and bunchy.

Sorry to guano, ya'll!
2C/3A/3B - modified CG - fairly fine now, normal/low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite,CJ Pattern Pusha,, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

www.fotki.com/auntnett
First of all - and I know I'm in the minority here - what bothers me the most is the fact that a lot of the book is filled with half-page "curly girl confessions" which are random people describing how they've come to accept their curly hair... I know she's trying to do just the opposite, but calling them "confessions" really reinforces the idea that we should have to apologize for our hair (an idea already prevalent throughout the book). This "curly shame" thing was honestly a new concept to me, something that had never dawned on me until I read that book. Yes, our hair gets frizzy and doesn't look great if we don't take the time to style it... big deal.
Originally Posted by Aayla Secura
Obviously those "confessions" seemed to be helpful to many here, but I agree, I wasn't into them. I've never experienced anything quite like that either and it just seemed like a waste of paper to me.
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Summer: DevaCurl No Poo & OneC; CK; Re:coil; BRHG; Honey!!!

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Crystal Tips, I just checked out Flickr, and I'm in love with your hair! Love the new cut, but it'd already been looking great for months. Wish I could get those darned clamps to work well for me, but I'm not quite a curly as you any more, and it usually just looks weird and bunchy.

Sorry to guano, ya'll!
Originally Posted by auntnett
Thank you for your lovely compliment, auntnett!
I have to say cowashing has improved my hair no end! I'll never look back!
BTW - you have lovely hair and the colour is lush!
UK - 3a/b med/coarse - mix normal/ high porosity.
Currently in my rotation:
Cleanser/Cowash: CJDF,
Tresemme Naturals, DGJ Hairjuice clarifying, Urtekram Lavender
Conditioners/DT's: CJH&BDF, CJCR, DBPSC, AOWC, Y2C
Protein: AOGPB, Joico Reconstruct Condish (regular not PT)
Leave Ins/Curl Creams: CJCCCC, CJ Smoothing, KeraCare/JCAC
Gel: FSG, BRHG, Giovanni LA Natural Styling Gel, L'Oreal Studio Mineral Control Invisi'Gel
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41240927@N03/
Thank you, too!
2C/3A/3B - modified CG - fairly fine now, normal/low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite,CJ Pattern Pusha,, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

www.fotki.com/auntnett
I read it, I have it. I agree that it was a good starting point for reference, but this site and SW's have so much more information. But it's still worth reading if you can get it at the library.

I would send you mine, but I've been passing it around to my curly cousins that are in denial. They won't take the time to visit this site, but at least they might read the book and we can go from there.

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