Deva Cuts vs Ouidad Cuts

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Curlypro,

Will either of these cuts work on wavy hair? Mine is super-thick, wavy all over but less so on top, and I would like to have a cut that would allow me to wash and wear it without much, if any, styling involved.

Any advice?
First off, I would like to say that curlpro is a true professional that has been on these boards for quite awhile, like myself. We have seen trends come and go, been sung praises for our methods and bashed for our methods. I think at this point we mostly lurk.
Curlpro, I think you have a passion for curlys, as do I, and you have gone above and beyond to be well informed and educated. We both know how important and hard it can be to go against the grain.
If you are interested in the carve n slice, and think that method will work for your hair, by all means find a way to get to curlpro!!
What I think curlpro and I both want is well informed curlys, that have options that they have never had before.
That being said, I have chosen the Deva method for myself and my clientel.
Please know that there is a world of difference between the 1 day course and the three day. A one day stylist gets the basics, the 3 day is much more advanced.
There is no limitation of the 45 degree angle or the style or shape of the hair. It's just that Deva respects the natural hair, curl and growth patteren. The haircut will always be unique to your natural hair.
For you curlies that have 3 different curl types, for you curlies that have a curl that starts at the back of your head, but likes to dry over to the side. For you curlies that have a crown that falls forward, but sides that go back. I say quit fighting it and go with it. Get a haircut that works with your natural patern instead of against it. If this is what your looking for then the Deva cut should be your choice.
As for the hair being " uneven" If I am doing a wet cut, I can give an absolutely precission even cut, that if you pull it up and out you will see straight lines. No problem. But my head has no straight lines, my hair has no straight lines, when my hair dries, there are no straight lines.
We wear our hair dry, why not cut it dry, exactly where it lives.
Both methods agree that you must start with properly moisturised hair. We go about it different ways. Carve n slice manipulates the hair to remove bulk and lay down the curl. Deva cuts respects the curl in its natural shape and placment.
Be a well informed curly, know your hair and know what you want, and you will be happy.
Whew, I sure hope that all came out well, it sounded good in my head.
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3a/3b coarse and thick.....big and red

Advanced Deva inspired Stylist
I agree with what Curlpro says. I think they are both good cuts. But for me personally, for my hair texture, very thick, coarse, tight/curly, 3b?, the Ouidad cut was better.

I have been getting my hair cut from senior stylists at Ouidad for nine years now.

After reading the Curly Girl Handbook and following that method of not washing with shampoo or using silicone products, I was excited to get a Devachan cut with a senior stylist in May.

Frankly the Devachan cut was not the best for me, but it is probably a question of taste. A few weeks later I went back to Ouidad and got a Ouidad cut (but didn't tell my stylist!)

I only need a Ouidad cut every six months. From the Devachan stylist (actually her assistant) I learned a lot about hair care and it was totally worth it to go through that experience. She taught me how to use their products, and they are wonderful: DevaCare No Poo, DevaCare One Condition, and Heaven in Hair as a leave-in.

What I didn't like was that the person who styles your hair is an assistant. I had been spoiled at Ouidad that the person who cuts your hair styles it as well.

But the biggest drawback for me of the Devachan cut is probably that I am used to the Ouidad cut. The Devachan cut looked to me a little too stacked, a little too triangular, a little too soccer mom (forgive me for saying that). Ultimately I like the look of the Ouidad cut better, both the cut and how they style your hair. And again, I'll say it, for me it was a question of aesthetic and taste, and everyone will have a different style that they want to rock.

The main thing is to rock the curls, have fun experimenting, and not be too obsessed with finding the perfect curly cut. If you don't like one you can always get it done at another salon. I know these cuts are expensive, but they really are much cheaper than hair extensions, or relaxing, or flat ironing in the long run.

For me the biggest part of the journey is learning to rock my big curly hair, even when it's third day hair and I'm getting that frizz halo. For me the Ouidad cut is perfect because if I want tamer bouncy curls I can get that with first day hair (and I recommend their Tress Effects gel for that which has no silicones and is a light-weight wonderful gel that I rake and shake in), but if I want to fluff it out and rock third day hair I can do that too.

I hope you all have fun on your curly hair adventures!

Last edited by intanbiru; 07-05-2012 at 05:04 PM.
So I was on the Deva website the other day and had a random question: Why is it that deva categorizes hair by names vs. the number letter system?

I mean I guess it really doesn't matter...I was just curious.

Also, for you curly hair stylists would you recommend going to a stylist who specializes in cutting curls for just a trim? I mean should curly hair be trimmed differently than straight hair?
I'm glad this post was bumped; I'm considering a Ouidad cut. I found out there was a certified salon about 10 miles from my house. I'v'e been getting the Deva cut, but I'm just not loving my hair. I'm just concerned that the Ouidad cut is done wet. I do not want to cut the length! I am looking to tone down bulk and volume, so that is why I figured ouidad might be better for me. Any input?
Monday I had an appointment at Square Color Salon in Las Vegas with Deva trained stylist Erica Cossio. I must say I liked Erica, probably influenced when the first words she said to me were "You have beautiful hair."

She gave me a haircut. I have read so much about Deva cuts, but the cut was much different from any expectations or preconceptions I may have had. She told me at the outset that the curls would be cut at an angle. The angle was much steeper that I had anticipated. Ouidad cuts are supposed to be more thinning than Deva cuts. Well, my Deva cut was a thinning cut, I lost more hair volume than I expected from the things I have read. At this point, I am not sure whether I will actually continue with Deva cuts. I think it will depend on whether I decide to go for more length. If I decide to try to grow my hair longer, I will continue with Deva cuts, but if I decide to maintain a shorter style, I will probably not continue with them, because if I keep a shorter length, I want to keep my volume, too.

I may post photos in a few days. I wish I could post before/after photos of my curls, but they didn't show up til Saturday, and the appt. was Monday, so I didn't manage to get pics of them.
Be Happy!

Type:2b/3ab?
Texture:Medium/fine
Porosity:Normal
Elasticity:Normal

Experimenting with too many products to name here. All this great info keeps my head spinning.
Ouidad was the worst cut I ever had. It was about 10 years ago, and I still shudder when I think about it. Took a while to grow it out long enough to have it recut. Until it did I hated my hair so much, it was always fluffy, frizzy and unmanageable, with curl pattern seriously messed up, I didn't even have curls left really, no definition, just ball of fuzz no matter what products I used. It felt and looked unhealthy and wrong. Maybe this kind of cut is good for some types of hair, but definitely not mine, and stylist should have known it and told me.

I don't know how Deva cuts are different from the dry cuts I've been getting, I've seen Deva cut pictures and some seem similar to what I've had, so I'd go with that if I had to choose. I'd choose anything over Ouidad though. My hair is thick enough that I do need bulk removed, but I've been to enough stylists afterwards (wet and dry cuts) who managed to do it without me losing curls and leaving me feeling half bald. There are much better techniques than what Ouidad does.
3b/fine/thick/normal porosity/bsl
I personally have never had a Ouidad cut, but I would not have one... reason being, I have found all of their products to be so completely useless and bad for my hair, that I can't imagine they could offer a cut that works. Their cleansers are so incredibly drying, their stylers are useless, and their conditioners are not nearly enough for dry, thirsty curls.

The one exception is their botantical boost, if your hair really needs a bit of protein... the rest has proven terrible for me. That said, every curly is different and there have been people who have had success with Ouidad cuts and products. I just get an icky, pushy vibe from the whole company!
My hair: 3b, corkicelli, medium porosity, medium texture, medium/thick density

Co-wash: DevaCurl NoPoo
Rinse-out: GVP Conditioning Balm
Leave-in: KCKT, Suave Naturals Coconut, or my rinse-out!
Gel: SS FHG (my new HG!!)... I also like HESMU, AIF, CJ CQ, BRHG, CJ PP and the occasional LALSG

Likes: Plopping!
Dislikes: Glycerin

CG and loving it!
I'm still on the fence about these 2 cuts. I'd posted on this topic a few months ago. Right now, my hair is just to shoulder length, tight 3B curls. Have been CG for 15 months now. Not liking the way my hair is growing out with the frizz and that almost pyramid look. The Deva salon is a 45 min drive vs the Ouidad salon that just opened, which is a 5 min drive. But, the Ouidad cuts are almost double what I'm now paying, not to mention the cost of coloring & products. Still cheaper than the Brazilian Blowouts I used to get, but I'm still concerned about the cost. If the Ouidad Carve & Slice cut is worth it, then I will take the plunge. Which cut would be better for growing out tight curly hair?
How thick is your hair? If it's really thick, you may like the Ouidad cut. It will really thin your hair out, and it will take a long time to grow out.

IME, with a varied curl pattern, extremely fine hair which isn't thick, and 3B curls, it was not a good option. Also, cutting it wet meant that the stylist couldn't see what each carve and slice did to my hair.

OTOH Deva cuts work brilliantly for my hair. Cutting it curl by curl and dry, the stylist could see how each snip interacted with the rest of my hair, and there are no nasty surprises at the end.
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Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
I've got extremely thick, coarse hair, it does have some varying curl patterns on it. But, when it gets to a certain length, it starts to look like a pyramid. Which is what I'm experiencing now with growing it out. I would hate to lose all that hair growth but just want the bulk taken off. How long did it take to grow the Ouidad cut out? If I only need 3 or 4 cuts a year, then it may be worth the change, even though the cuts are more expensive.
I've loved my Ouidad cuts. I would say at about the 6 month mark I know I need a new cut but I can go longer if I need to.

Carve and Slice should not take off length if you don't want it to. Like it was explained above, you get a base cut first then they go in and carve. So if you don't want length gone just tell them. I've NEVER had it cut down to the scalp and I've had it cut pretty short. I have very thick, coarse-ish 3a/b hair which if dried naturally doesn't hold a curl worth crap, esp, when long. For me I don't know how dry cutting would benefit me.

That being said, with any method you're going to have great stylists who listen and are excellent at their job, and ones that are crap at it. Don't write off a total style just because a stylist sucked. d
Yes I agree with KookyCurl. A bell just rang off in my head! It's not the cut per se that counts, but the stylist. I realize that my experience is going to be different, because I have only gone to the Ouidad Salons in New York City and Santa Monica, ditto with the Devachan Salon, so obviously if you go to one of their main salons, their stylists are going to be vetted, and very experienced. Basically if you can cut curly hair well, you are a master stylist, and there really aren't that many of them out there, so you have to be careful. So if you aren't in the NYC or the LA area, and are trying to decide about a Deva-trained stylist versus a Ouidad-trained stylist, I would definitely look at the reviews of each person and maybe go meet them first and get a consultation. However, if you are near NY or LA you will get a very good cut from either salon. As I said earlier, I prefer the style of the Ouidad cut, but I learned a lot from the Devachan stylist. My hair is loving the Curly Girl method of moisturizing and detangling, but I use the Ouidad Tress Effects gel to do the Ouidad method of raking and shaking. And to repeat, all the Ouidad cuts that I have gotten lasted six months. At least.
I live in Phoenix. So, a visit to LA is not completely out of the question. I'm just not liking the way my hair is growing out and am having tons of problems getting 2nd and 3rd day hair with Deva products/ CG method. My hair is feeling too bulky/ pyramid like while it's growing out, which is why I was considering the Ouidad cut. I think it's at least worth going for a consult with the stylist.
Hi, I am a stylist (over 25 years) that specializes in curly hair. I took the NYC DevaCurl 3-Day Advanced Training in NYC.
I asked Shari Harbinger (the DevaCurl Director of Education) why the DevaCurl One-Curl-At-A-Time techniques was abandoned.

She said, "We have evolved our technique since the curl by curl approach because we found that this approach was not as accurate as the newly taught approach. "

When I took the training, elevation was definitely taught in their technique.

Best,

Dianne Nola
http://www.nolastudio.com
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Hi, I am a stylist (over 25 years) that specializes in curly hair. I took the NYC DevaCurl 3-Day Advanced Training in NYC.
I asked Shari Harbinger (the DevaCurl Director of Education) why the DevaCurl One-Curl-At-A-Time techniques was abandoned.

She said, "We have evolved our technique since the curl by curl approach because we found that this approach was not as accurate as the newly taught approach. "

When I took the training, elevation was definitely taught in their technique.

Best,



Dianne Nola
http://www.nolastudio.com
Originally Posted by nolastudio
i find this fascinating!! so the deva cut is no longer curl by curl??? what is elevation technique? how does this differ from say a regular layered cut? and why would this technique be "more accurate?"

thanks! :-)
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leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
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I just had a Deva cut in December and it is more than a curl by curl cut.
what is your hair length?

whenever i look up devacuts or quidad cuts they never keep much length. its more about the curl itself but what if you want super long curly hair? i feel all they wanna do is choppity chop chop!
curl pattern:
2c/3a
porosity:
medium/high
density:
medium
width:
coarse
length:
long
shampoo & conditioner at the moment-
macadamia oil by hair chemist.
dt-coconut oil & macadamia oil deep conditioner
products i am loving at the moment:
macadamia oil leave in (hair chemist), miracle 7 leave in mist, ion spray gel, treseme heat protectant mousse & loreal hair texturizer
Please explain what this means.

"We have evolved our technique since the curl by curl approach because we found that this approach was not as accurate as the newly taught approach. "

When I took the training, elevation was definitely taught in their technique.
What is being taught now if not curl by curl? And what is elevation?
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Peace,
Morgan

Baby Fine 3B, low porosity, normal density and elasticity
CGing since July 2008
what is your hair length?

whenever i look up devacuts or quidad cuts they never keep much length. its more about the curl itself but what if you want super long curly hair? i feel all they wanna do is choppity chop chop!
Originally Posted by nickysmom13


I think it really depends on your stylist. My length came out exactly where I wanted it to but now my hair is more curly I have to be careful what products I use and how I dry my hair. I get a lot of shrinkage now. I love how my hair is more curly and how they have bounce now.
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