Deva Cuts vs Ouidad Cuts

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I am curious..which is the better cut for curlies?

I myself am scheduled in Feb for a devacut at Beans Beauty in Wayne PA.

Just looking for more definition in my hair. I also would like to extended the time I go between cuts to save money so "grow out" is important.
Let me know your opinions fellow curly heads!
2c/3a fine texture, medium-high porosity

So confused...
I have never had either cut but am getting my first Deva cut tomorrow. I have read good and bad about both but it seems like a lot of people prefer the Deva cut to the "carve and slice" from Ouidad as I believe I read it's harder to grow out. I think it may also depend your hair's texture, etc.

I'm sure some of the more experienced curlies here will be able to give you a better answer. Good luck.
I talked with a stylist about Ouidad's carve and slice cut. She said that some sections of hair are cut right down to the scalp! It's for the purpose of taking out bulk. I was shocked! What a mess that must be when it grows out!
I have never had either cut but am getting my first Deva cut tomorrow. I have read good and bad about both but it seems like a lot of people prefer the Deva cut to the "carve and slice" from Ouidad as I believe I read it's harder to grow out. I think it may also depend your hair's texture, etc.

I'm sure some of the more experienced curlies here will be able to give you a better answer. Good luck.
Originally Posted by Teresina
Let me know how you make out
2c/3a fine texture, medium-high porosity

So confused...
I talked with a stylist about Ouidad's carve and slice cut. She said that some sections of hair are cut right down to the scalp! It's for the purpose of taking out bulk. I was shocked! What a mess that must be when it grows out!
Originally Posted by curlyinohio
SCARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2c/3a fine texture, medium-high porosity

So confused...
I talked with a stylist about Ouidad's carve and slice cut. She said that some sections of hair are cut right down to the scalp! It's for the purpose of taking out bulk. I was shocked! What a mess that must be when it grows out!
Originally Posted by curlyinohio
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I did much better with Deva at the salon in NYC than with Ouidad, and Ouidad herself cut my hair. She was extremely opinionated and the Deva cut was a much better cut than she gave me. She had one idea in mind and wasn't interested in my input - at least that was my experience. I think she's good at marketing and sales, and she's a control freak.
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Ok, here we go.
I have attended the Deva Curlaboration, a one day instructional for stylists where you pass for attending and cut a maniquin head. I was chosen after an extensive application process to train with Ouidad over two days on 12 models where Ouidad herself lectures and demonstrated the technique and personally oversees the ten people in the class/interview. Not everyone passes. I am uniquely qualified to explain both methods. I have been a stylist for 20+ years with curls as a focus and my clientele is 90% curly.
The Deva cut is done on dry hair with little or no product and is snipped one curl at a time without ever elevating the hair above 45 degrees (or paralell to the floor, for you lay people) it's a bit like pruning a hedge creating shape from the outside which has to be relatively the same because of the limitations of elevation which determine the amount of layering or shape. There are just certain haircuts you can't do without elevation. In my opinion Deva cuts all look the same.
The difference with the Deva and the Ouidad is this, while Deva is cut from the outside in, the Ouidad is from the inside out.
The hair is cut wet, (because the curls are never in the same place so dry cutting is sort of moot) the outside design line is cut depending on the haircut you want. Then the stylist uses the patented technique the "Carve & Slice". The stylist creates movement and incredible spirals by reading the curls in vertical sections, not horizontal and carefully makes a series of very delicate small carves and slices. This is never done to the scalp,( who would do that?) but at selected areas depending on the heaviness of the curl. The result is miraculous spirals, removal of the dred pyramid, incredible lift and movement. The comment I hear most when the ladies see the hair on the floor is "That's it?" This is not a massive culling hack up like thinning. It bears no resemblance to thinning at all. This increases movement and the life of your curls in a way you can't believe untill you see or experience it.
The reason you don't know very much about Ouidad if you haven't gotten a cut or talked to a certified stylist is this, there only a select amount of people who can pass the training and go on to become certified and you have to hunt them down. They are usually not around the corner unless you are in NYC or LA and the recipiants are happy with their hair and aren't complaining about their hair on the boards because it is great.
I know, one stylist, much less a certified stylist, may not change your mind and not everything is for everybody but if you haven't tried it you don't have enough information to have an opinion one way or the other. So if you want your hair to do something it isn't doing and no one has been able to solve the problem for you, I suggest you try a Ouidad Certified Stylist. The haircut last about 12-15 weeks or longer. I agree that Ouidad is opinionated about her method, why wouldn't she be? She thought enough of it to have it patented. If the Deva cut works for you get one, if a random cut makes your curls sing, stick with it but if nothing has worked to make you happy you haven't tried it all unless you have had a Ouidad Carve & Slice. Combined with the "Rake & Shake" application method of applying product you will have the most amazing curls you have ever seen. I see it every day.
If you have any questions feel free to contact me and I will do my best to answer them for you or guide you to someone who can. This are just my observations based on my experiences behind the chair. I am sure others have different opinions, I am not interested in debating so let me be clear, so there is no mistaking what I am saying. I prefer the Ouidad Cut, I think it is better than the Deva cut. If you have a Deva cut and like it I am happy for you because I want all curly girls to love their hair period. This post is speaking to people dissatisfied with their hair who want info on this method compared to another. I've done my best to explain it to the best of my ability.
Have a great hair day..
Cynthia
interesting! thanks cynthia for the explanation. lots of myths around about the ouidad carve and slice. i've been happy with my devacuts but my hair is easy and healthy and not thick. it sounds like the ouidad training process is lots more demanding and the technique is highly evolved. i did have issues with the lack of actual training time in the curlaborations as described so that someone who goes thru that is not guaranteed to be a competent curly hair cutter by that process alone. i do know people who were unhappy w the ouidad cuts and mostly they were thinner haired people. the people who like the ouidad cuts are usually those with thicker hair. please tell us more!!
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curlypro, that was a great explanation. I'm sure many of us understand the cuts a lot better now.
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I had a carve and slice cut done and I wasn't that impressed. Maybe my hair is just too darn thick, but it didn't seem like it made that much of a difference and it was SO expensive. I haven't tried a deva cut yet, but after looking into it, I think my hair would do better with that.
My hair is thin to medium. Maybe that's why the Ouidad cut didn't work for me. Also, it was her personality.

I found Tameeka at Christo the best curly cutter of all and I've tried a lot of them. She was supposed to be fantastic for 4 type hair; I'm a 3a but her haircut was the best I ever had.

Anyway, good luck whatever you do!
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Sometimes try roller sets - classic glamor but I prefer my curls.
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Hi guys, I am glad I could shed some light. I know that personality counts with a stylist and is important. I don't know if you know that Christo worked with Ouidad and left to start his own company. So you may have had a Ouidad cut and not known about it, if it was by Christo. I do know that one cut does not a relationship make. We use our skill to make the best educated guess when it comes to your hair. It is up to the client to give us feed back so we can customize the cut to your specifics, sometimes the smallest things make the biggest difference. Mebsy, if you were to have gone back the next time and told your stylist that it still had too much bulk, she would have adjusted her carving and slicing to take more hair off, it's hard for us to know just the right amount the very first time we meet you and err on the side of caution. You can always take more off but putting it back on is a *****! That is my philosophy anyway, better safe than sorry. Good luck either way on the path to your curly cut.
Cynthia
Thanks for your explanation, Cynthia. I do one question about the Ouidad cut vs. other cuts: why does it seem sometimes the ends are much thinner? Is it a styling issue? And can you wear a Ouidad cut straight?

I had my haircut at Christo a few years ago when I lived in Manhattan and I was very, very unhappy with the results. My hair was barely bob length at that time, and the cut left my hair uneven and unable to ho.ld a style. It took nearly 6 months to grow out, and a nice guy at Vidal Sassoon in NYC cleaned it up. Then I moved to Atlanta.

There's a stylist in the Atlanta area that specializes in a curly cut called the C cut, but I'm not sure if this is the same as Carve & Slice, and I don't want to spend another huge sum of money to be unhappy.

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Hi,
Anything overdone is overdone. Too much slicing can cause thin ends. There is no reason you can't blow out your Ouidad cut, my boss does it all the time. She has medium density med to coarse 2-3 curls. I know about the c cut. It was very popular in the 80's when I went to school (I am old but still hip) the hair is twisted and cut specifically to create movenent and curl, I think they use curved shears. It works like anything on some people, some not so much, it depends on how much curl you hope to get. Hair is finicky as you can tell from the posts here. The main thing I have found is that when you use curved shapes to cut curly hair it's better. Plus you have to give it time to work. Sometimes it can take a few cuts to get the true benefit of the new method. I do a lot of repair work and some of the hair is so short or the curls are collapsing over the ears, or in the crown it may take 6 months for their hair to grow out enough to relize the full benefit of the cut. So unless you have one length hair you will have to transition into the cut unless you cut the other haircut completely out. I have a few clients that went to another stylist in town (some people like a change I guess, no hard feelings on my part) she does not cut in the same way I do, when I see them around town I have to smile because it is still my haircut (I can tell my work, as can most experienced stylists) the new girl is just trimming my shape that is still in their hair and yet they look like they need a haircut to me (LOL) because it is loosing the shape after about 9 mos. So remember, unless the shape is changed, or you let it grow completely out you are carrying around some of the old cut for a while. And I don't know about you but my hair hates a haircut! freaks out and has a hissy fit for about a week and a half. Then it just falls into place it's the strangest thing,maybe your hair is the same way. My friend Lynn says hers takes three weeks, so give it a chance to settle down too. I would try the c cut, since you didn't like the Carve & Slice or try another Ouidad stylist. I think there is a video with the c cut roaming around on the internet, I would google it. If you don't like the c try something else, it' will grow back, that's the beauty of hair vs. the Tattoo.
Cynthia
Cynthia, that was such great info on the two cuts!I've always wondered how they were different.

You've inspired me to go for the Ouidad cut at some point in the future.


Hair Type - medium to fine texture, high porosity, lots of it, type 2b/3a
Hey Jersey, I ma glad I cleared that up for you, I look forward to seeing you in the salon in a few weeks.
Cynthia
Curlpro,

Where are you located?
2c/3a fine texture, medium-high porosity

So confused...
I've had both cuts. Although I was still using sulfates (well I used all Ouidad products) with the Ouidad cut. I desperately, desperately have been trying to work with my mess hair for years and Ouidad was my first try. Within 3 weeks of my Ouidad cut I was back to blow drying my hair straight daily. Now I wonder if being CG would have been enough to make it work. At the time I just figured, "well my hair's always been a huge mess, why should an expensive hair cut make a difference?"

Fast forward to this summer. I went CG and got a cut by a Deva trained stylist. The cut is nice and things are better than my previous attempt at going curly. I do think there are a few things that are lacking and curlpro really helped me understand why by sharing the 45 degree angle piece.

I really think its all a combo of what works for *your* hair - maybe I'd get more satisfactory results with the Ouidad method now that I am off sulfates and cones.

Thanks for the info curlpro!
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Curlpro,

Where are you located?
Originally Posted by jlcurls
I am in St.Petersburg, Florida, I am listed on the Ouidad Website @ Practically Frivolous address and number listed there with email as well.
Cynthia

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