Why isn't my hair as curly as it used to be?

hey belasuna, actually i could use a little help regarding texture and porosity, if you would be so kind. i've been trying to figure this one out for a month now, and i seem to fall right through the cracks.

i seem to be all 3 textures, with fine to normal all throughout, and coarse mostly on the top of my head. when i run my finger down a strand, i believe it feels a little bumpy no matter where i get a piece from.. but i can never tell if that's just where it's bending from an actual curl, does that make sense?

just as confused with porosity if not more so. my hair does not take long to get wet. i think it gets wet pretty normally? i'm not sure about drying because i haven't tempted to dry it without product in my hair in a very long time. but thinking back, i do recall a couple horror shows where i was without products after it was wet, and it did dry much quicker than normal.. with product, it takes anywhere from 3 or 4 hours, to sometimes as long as 7 or 8. (though i've noticed the 7 or 8 hasn't happened in a while, maybe cause i stopped using cones since?) the couple times without, i dunno, maybe it was drying in an hour or 2? and it dried really limp and frizzy.. and my hair felt super fine in texture. and sliding a strand of hair from bottom to root gives me the same confusion as the other direction.. not sure if it's odd bumps, or just the natural curl pattern being felt as it's stretched out.

if you could try to help me on this one, i would forever be indebted to you! i've been buying new products like crazy, but not sure if i'm screwing up on this one. there are pics in my fotki if it helps to determine anything.

ok tarc, i will leave your thread alone now, sorry!
Originally Posted by dagidoodle
My hair is fine. When I run a strand between my fingers I can barely feel it. Coarse hair has a thicker strand that is easier to feel.

When you say you have bumps along a strand of hair, do they run the whole length? Did you use a flat iron? When I first went CG I had bumps along my entire strand of hair. They were from damaging my hair with a flat iron. The heat causes the steam to build up in the hair shaft, which causes it to burst in places, leaving bumps along the length (I hope I explained that right). It is serious damage and can affect your curl patten. It also causes hair to be very porous, even if it isn't porous naturally.

Hair drying within an hour or two with no product in it is pretty fast, especially if you live in an area that has normal-high humidity. That makes me lean toward thinking you are porous as well.
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3a & 3b
fine, normal, coarse
normal & porous(?)
protein sensitive(?)
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Last edited by dagidoodle; 03-02-2010 at 11:49 AM. Reason: oops
hey, thanks for writing me back!

well, i just pulled out various strands of hair from my head (owie) to compare all of them. i have all 3 textures, ones around nape seem to be pretty fine, some on top of my head are short and stick up.. i think they are new growths, they sort of resemble ***** ...hey, wouldn't let me say it, ok, maybe this will work, p*bes (i know, lovely.. but it's the only was i can explain what they look like!) and they seem quite coarse to normal, and the rest are in between, so i guess that would be normal.

i haven't used a flat iron in years. but have gone through phases with using a curling iron. in the past would do almost entire head do to obsessively longing for uniform curls. very seldom do i do anything like that these days, and if i do use it now, i just get random curls throughout hair that are pissing me off. my hair used to be pretty damaged, but i think it's recovered. last time i got a cut (a couple months ago), the hairdresser commented on how healthy it was.. so who knows.

i can feel the bumps throughout entire strand on the coarser and more normal ones, but not at all on the fine ones.

and just from memory about drying time with no products, can't say for sure if all of hair was dry in that time, but definitely bangs areas and canopy was drying much more quickly than usual. going to wash my hair tonight. would it be worth it to dry without product to see what happens?

and for people who are porous, does their hair tend to be sensitive to glycerin?

sorry for all the questions, just so confused and want to know what the hay i'm doing

thanks for your help!
http://public.fotki.com/dagidoodle/
password: dagi

hypothyroid
3a & 3b
fine, normal, coarse
normal & porous(?)
protein sensitive(?)
the bane of my existence

on a mission to find my hg's.
p.s. i live in ri, the humidity in summer is brutal, can get really up there. not sure in winter, probably normal for winter..
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hypothyroid
3a & 3b
fine, normal, coarse
normal & porous(?)
protein sensitive(?)
the bane of my existence

on a mission to find my hg's.
Dear OP, I bet that using the Curly Girl method (CG) would help improve your curls a ton! This means changing the products and techniques that you're using, but it's totally worth it. You mentioned checking out the book Curly Girl from the library -- do it. It provides the foundation for nearly everything on this site.

Using the CG method really transforms limp, lifeless or frizzy hair into tight(er), beautiful, frizz-free curls. Check out the Before-and-After thread here to see some transformations!

Post your before & After CG pics

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Dear OP, I bet that using the Curly Girl method (CG) would help improve your curls a ton! This means changing the products and techniques that you're using, but it's totally worth it. You mentioned checking out the book Curly Girl from the library -- do it. It provides the foundation for nearly everything on this site.

Using the CG method really transforms limp, lifeless or frizzy hair into tight(er), beautiful, frizz-free curls. Check out the Before-and-After thread here to see some transformations!

Post your before & After CG pics
Originally Posted by ShanaVilloria
Wow - what a fun thread that was to check out! It gives me hope again and makes me so excited to get that book and check it all out!! Thanks so much
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hey, thanks for writing me back!

well, i just pulled out various strands of hair from my head (owie) to compare all of them. i have all 3 textures, ones around nape seem to be pretty fine, some on top of my head are short and stick up.. i think they are new growths, they sort of resemble ***** ...hey, wouldn't let me say it, ok, maybe this will work, p*bes (i know, lovely.. but it's the only was i can explain what they look like!) and they seem quite coarse to normal, and the rest are in between, so i guess that would be normal.

i haven't used a flat iron in years. but have gone through phases with using a curling iron. in the past would do almost entire head do to obsessively longing for uniform curls. very seldom do i do anything like that these days, and if i do use it now, i just get random curls throughout hair that are pissing me off. my hair used to be pretty damaged, but i think it's recovered. last time i got a cut (a couple months ago), the hairdresser commented on how healthy it was.. so who knows.

i can feel the bumps throughout entire strand on the coarser and more normal ones, but not at all on the fine ones.

and just from memory about drying time with no products, can't say for sure if all of hair was dry in that time, but definitely bangs areas and canopy was drying much more quickly than usual. going to wash my hair tonight. would it be worth it to dry without product to see what happens?

and for people who are porous, does their hair tend to be sensitive to glycerin?

sorry for all the questions, just so confused and want to know what the hay i'm doing

thanks for your help!
Originally Posted by dagidoodle
Hi Dagidoodle,

Fine hair will be smooth from top to bottom while coarse hair will be rough all the way down. I have some hairs that have kinds and rough spots as well as smooth sections on the same hair. I call these abnormalities and condider them med-coarse since they tend to act more like my coarse hairs. The normal hairs may have slight texture but usually are just thicker than the fine hairs. Some of the kinks and curves that feel bumpy and rough are the unrulies--misbehaving curls!

From everything you wrote on all your posts, I believe you are definitely one of those curlies who has mixed texture. I also happen to be one of those. So it makes curl-care very difficult since the majority of the hair is not of one texture. It also seems that you are either normal porosity or slightly porous.

If you have 3 textures you have to be most concerned about the coarse hairs. They cannot handle protein and tend to be the most unruly. The problem is you also have fine hair so you could use a dose of protein every now and then. The way I get around it is to avoid protein and use a conditioner with one protein way down on the ingredient list every now and then (3-4 months). This may freak out the coarse hairs but then if you continue to moisturize your hair well, the coarse hairs calm down. As far as porosity. Since you have to keep coarse, dry or damaged hair moisturized, it is important to not let the moisture escape. With porous hair this is often the case, not so much with normal porosity. But it sounds like for you, your hair may be dry and simply needs moisture treatments to get it back into shape. Since I have porous hair I have started cowashing using the S&C (Spritz & Condish) method (the thread is on the General Forum). This maximizes the moisture that gets into the hair and in helps to maintain moisture levels better. This works well for anyone with dry hair who is having trouble getting hair moisturized.

Product wise, for your daily products I would recommend highly moisturizing ones with little or no proteins in them. Then do a lite protein condish every now and then.
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
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CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
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hey, thanks for writing me back!

well, i just pulled out various strands of hair from my head (owie) to compare all of them. i have all 3 textures, ones around nape seem to be pretty fine, some on top of my head are short and stick up.. i think they are new growths, they sort of resemble ***** ...hey, wouldn't let me say it, ok, maybe this will work, p*bes (i know, lovely.. but it's the only was i can explain what they look like!) and they seem quite coarse to normal, and the rest are in between, so i guess that would be normal.

i haven't used a flat iron in years. but have gone through phases with using a curling iron. in the past would do almost entire head do to obsessively longing for uniform curls. very seldom do i do anything like that these days, and if i do use it now, i just get random curls throughout hair that are pissing me off. my hair used to be pretty damaged, but i think it's recovered. last time i got a cut (a couple months ago), the hairdresser commented on how healthy it was.. so who knows.

i can feel the bumps throughout entire strand on the coarser and more normal ones, but not at all on the fine ones.

and just from memory about drying time with no products, can't say for sure if all of hair was dry in that time, but definitely bangs areas and canopy was drying much more quickly than usual. going to wash my hair tonight. would it be worth it to dry without product to see what happens?

and for people who are porous, does their hair tend to be sensitive to glycerin?

sorry for all the questions, just so confused and want to know what the hay i'm doing

thanks for your help!
Originally Posted by dagidoodle
Hi Dagidoodle,

Fine hair will be smooth from top to bottom while coarse hair will be rough all the way down. I have some hairs that have kinds and rough spots as well as smooth sections on the same hair. I call these abnormalities and condider them med-coarse since they tend to act more like my coarse hairs. The normal hairs may have slight texture but usually are just thicker than the fine hairs. Some of the kinks and curves that feel bumpy and rough are the unrulies--misbehaving curls!

From everything you wrote on all your posts, I believe you are definitely one of those curlies who has mixed texture. I also happen to be one of those. So it makes curl-care very difficult since the majority of the hair is not of one texture. It also seems that you are either normal porosity or slightly porous.

If you have 3 textures you have to be most concerned about the coarse hairs. They cannot handle protein and tend to be the most unruly. The problem is you also have fine hair so you could use a dose of protein every now and then. The way I get around it is to avoid protein and use a conditioner with one protein way down on the ingredient list every now and then (3-4 months). This may freak out the coarse hairs but then if you continue to moisturize your hair well, the coarse hairs calm down. As far as porosity. Since you have to keep coarse, dry or damaged hair moisturized, it is important to not let the moisture escape. With porous hair this is often the case, not so much with normal porosity. But it sounds like for you, your hair may be dry and simply needs moisture treatments to get it back into shape. Since I have porous hair I have started cowashing using the S&C (Spritz & Condish) method (the thread is on the General Forum). This maximizes the moisture that gets into the hair and in helps to maintain moisture levels better. This works well for anyone with dry hair who is having trouble getting hair moisturized.

Product wise, for your daily products I would recommend highly moisturizing ones with little or no proteins in them. Then do a lite protein condish every now and then.
Originally Posted by belasuna
belasuna,

thank you so much, you have been most helpful!!! my lord, you have no idea how much i appreciate all of your info. so i have just checked the ingredients on all of the new products that i ordered and am waiting to come in (komaza and darcy's botanicals), luckily it seems that most (i think all but 2) don't have proteins, whew! but that will take a little more research and knowledge on my part to figure it all out. i tried scoping all the forums out to see exactly what ingredients are classified as proteins, but it was sort of hit or miss. do you know off the top of your head any good articles/threads out there? if not, no worries, i try being resourceful! and i like the spritz and condish, will try my next big hair washing day!

thank you again, really, {{{hugs}}}

p.s. oh yeah, still wondering if protein sensitive people tend to be sensitive to glycerin? just wondering if there's a connection..

ugh, after more research it seems a lot of the products i ordered have protein. super. and never mind about my glycerin question, it seems the only trouble is that it will take dye out of the hair (which is one problem i don't have!).
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hypothyroid
3a & 3b
fine, normal, coarse
normal & porous(?)
protein sensitive(?)
the bane of my existence

on a mission to find my hg's.

Last edited by dagidoodle; 03-03-2010 at 08:57 AM.
Dagi,
You're very welcome. Glad I could help.

If the products have some protein you can use it as long as they are near the bottom of the ingredient list. I wouldn't despair. Test out to see if you can use them since you have a mix of textures. Sometimes if I'm using a product that contains protein I'll conditon my hair with intensive moisture by using a deep moisturizing conditioner and make sure to use a LI with lots of moisture also.

Some porous curlies can't use glycerin as it tends to swell the hair especially during humid seasons and dry out the hair in dry, low humidity seasons. But since you are probably normal or slightly porous you might not have a problem with glycerin except for the hair color issue.
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
Bella Curl Products
CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
hi belasuna
you certainly did help.. and i think right in the nick of time. i just wrote darcy's an email to try to stop the order (it's still processing, so i doubt it's been shipped out yet). because all those products were heavy with proteins. and they all were in the beginning to the middle of the ingredients lists. i just don't feel comfortable spending all that $ on something that could be my whole hair problem in the 1st place! i used some of my komaza products tonight that just came in, no proteins in them, and my hair is finally behaving, not all stringy and dry, but actually curly and springy! so hopefully the order can be stopped, and then if i want to try one here and there, i will.

and thanks for the heads up with the glycerin info. i will also keep my eye on that to see if it's an issue for me. gosh, i can't imagine where i'd be without your help!!!
http://public.fotki.com/dagidoodle/
password: dagi

hypothyroid
3a & 3b
fine, normal, coarse
normal & porous(?)
protein sensitive(?)
the bane of my existence

on a mission to find my hg's.
..and thank you nallia, too.. i didn't see that you had written one of those helpful responses a day or two ago
http://public.fotki.com/dagidoodle/
password: dagi

hypothyroid
3a & 3b
fine, normal, coarse
normal & porous(?)
protein sensitive(?)
the bane of my existence

on a mission to find my hg's.

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