Anyone achieving both curly bangs and crown height/volume? HOW??

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Okay, I look crappy with hair that's too flat/coiled/close to head. I've always preferred volume and crown height.

With curls, I find my face if often too bare and open and I need hair on my face, really. I've got a fat face.

If you have curly bangs (not blown out) and have achieved crown height and volume without frizz, how'd you do it. I'm even ready to go modified CG if it means I can get crown height and volume. Some days, I'll finger comb out my hair risking frizz, just to get a bushier, bulkier, more voluminous look. Today, I played a bit, pushing hair forward and around. I'm not sure, and I'll have to discuss with longterm hair stylist, but maybe I should risk shorter hair around face and shorter "bangs".

I've ordered stronger gels and even a hairspray, and am willing to clarify more often to get that height and volume. I just hate that when the curls are shiny and tightly coiled, I have that "too close to the head" look that I hate.

I uploaded fotki pics from Sunday 2/28 where I'm VERY moisturized and very gelled/CIABed to withstand exercise and wind and very low humidity/low dewpoint. (I tend to dry out like mad from ends up, so I think I overmoisturized, too.)
Thumbnails below to show how I prefer some volume: First pic was ACCIDENT, wind blowing my hair in my face giving me bangs. Hah. The others are pictures from previous months where I had more volume. I think those suit me to the flat top looks that you'll find on Fotki--bare forehead, hair droopy. The other two show a more "bare, flat" look that I like less.

Any tips welcome, and if you have pics that I can take to my stylist as examples, please post. I don't want BLOWN OUT bangs (which I'll do only if I'm going to blow out the whole upper hair area and let ends curl). I'm looking for actual curly bangs and crown lift. THANKS.
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Last edited by MirCurls; 03-01-2010 at 01:12 AM.
Do you diffuse you air or let it air dry? When I diffuse it, I turn upside down and it gives it a lot of body. Try doing that to the crown of you head.
I am a newbie, so I am just getting started on here. I just did a pure virgin coconut oil treatment on my hair, and it looks great!!

The main problem I am having on here is trying to determine my hair type. Looks like 3a, but it can be just wavy at times too being as it is getting longer.

Don't understand some of the short terms on here. Figure out what CG meant though! LOL!

Looking forward to making some new curly girl friends on here!
Yeah, I do. I do almost all my hair stuff upside down, in and out of the shower. I get root curl that way. I also almost always put some hard hold gel--BRHG or Deva Arc Angell--in, especially crown. I also use a trident comb to lift and diffuse the crown, which some days gives me decent lift, if not a whole lot, some.

I may have to experiment with clips and a hair spray (ordered a CG friendly one) after hair is dry to see if that can help.

I'm hoping some more tips come my way--cut, style, methods, products.

I am willing to compromise my curl's integrity and clumping to get a fuller look. I know, can't have it all, I think.
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Of course, the haircut is the foundation to everything else. Your curls look similar to mine in type. Our properties are very different--my hair is fine, low porosity and not at all dry.

For me, starting to use the natural soap bars to cleanse (after six months of cowashing) made a HUGE difference. Tightened my curl and added volume. (You can see some of the difference in my early fotki pictures.) Using the bars was "the rage" about 18 months ago, but has become very controversial.

I wet and style every day. My hair isn't really long enough to plop. I do it for a few minutes while I put on eye makeup and set up hard bonnet dryer. I scrunch out water with Curls Like Us Clothe--don't know if that helps. Only use one clip to clip my side swept bangs up and out of my face. Sit under dryer for 7-15 minutes and air dry.
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Kathy - are you using just the regular natural soap bars or ones specifically for hair? What is controversial about them? THANKS!
Kathy - are you using just the regular natural soap bars or ones specifically for hair? What is controversial about them? THANKS!
Originally Posted by girlysoxfan
There are soap bars and shampoo bars. I use the soap bars. The difference is that the soap bars are supposed to be "super fatted." People like Curl Chemist are anti soap bars--it's in one of her articles. I've been using them for 18 months, as have a lot of others on here, with no problems except for the Chagrin Valley bars. I got a few samples, used one and my hair was dry and disgusting. I gave the samples away. My hair hates castor oil, so that may have been the problem. I'd used other bars in the past, so I'm just careful about my ingredients.
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Are those the samples you sent me when I ordered from you!?!? I haven't used them on my hair, but will give them a try as long as it's not the drying ones.



Kathy - are you using just the regular natural soap bars or ones specifically for hair? What is controversial about them? THANKS!
Originally Posted by girlysoxfan
There are soap bars and shampoo bars. I use the soap bars. The difference is that the soap bars are supposed to be "super fatted." People like Curl Chemist are anti soap bars--it's in one of her articles. I've been using them for 18 months, as have a lot of others on here, with no problems except for the Chagrin Valley bars. I got a few samples, used one and my hair was dry and disgusting. I gave the samples away. My hair hates castor oil, so that may have been the problem. I'd used other bars in the past, so I'm just careful about my ingredients.
Originally Posted by kathymack
Are those the samples you sent me when I ordered from you!?!? I haven't used them on my hair, but will give them a try as long as it's not the drying ones.
Originally Posted by girlysoxfan
Yes, I don't buy the Chagrin Valley ones. Here's how I use them:

I lather in my hands and wash hair and scalp, rinse. Use rinse out conditioner, rinse. Spray on ACV rinse which I keep mixed in a spray bottle in shower (you need to restore pH--hair is acid, soap is alkaline) and rinse. Style as usual. It takes hair a few washes to acclimate to soap, but it should feel fine after rinse out conditioner.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
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CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix and CCCC
kathymack,

do you have any pictures of your bangs?? I've looked through your fotki and have also searched for curly bang pictures, but haven't had much luck. I'm getting my hair cut on saturday with Tiffany(struttswife) and I'm toying with the idea of curly bangs. Need to cover up this huge forehead of mine

TIA!
D
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kathymack,

do you have any pictures of your bangs?? I've looked through your fotki and have also searched for curly bang pictures, but haven't had much luck. I'm getting my hair cut on saturday with Tiffany(struttswife) and I'm toying with the idea of curly bangs. Need to cover up this huge forehead of mine

TIA!
D
Originally Posted by dominicana
You can actually see my "bangs" in my signature picture. That's all they are--just a little shorter then the rest of my hair, cut on an angle. I wear a side part and don't have a large forehead.
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Thanks. Last question - how much ACV vs. Water do I use for the spray? Thanks!

Yes, I don't buy the Chagrin Valley ones. Here's how I use them:

I lather in my hands and wash hair and scalp, rinse. Use rinse out conditioner, rinse. Spray on ACV rinse which I keep mixed in a spray bottle in shower (you need to restore pH--hair is acid, soap is alkaline) and rinse. Style as usual. It takes hair a few washes to acclimate to soap, but it should feel fine after rinse out conditioner.
Originally Posted by kathymack
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Mira...sorry to have hi-jacked your thread so much...I hope this makes up for it! Lookey what I just found!

http://curllove.blogspot.com/2008/03...ng-videos.html

I struggle w/ a flat crown & frizz...SO trying this method in the morning!
When I need more crown volume and height, and diffusing hasn't done enough for me, I use this Dust It powder.



I first discovered it a couple of years ago from my stylist when I was doing straight hair. But it totally works for curls too, and is CG friendly.

Here's what you do:

Once hair is completely dry (roots must be bone dry), sprinkle a tiny tiny shake of the powder on your crown, around the roots, even on your bangs if you want. Then just gently lift, push, scrunch the roots upwards, and you will be amazed at the lift you get! If it gets flat during the day, just re-scrunch it a bit at the roots.

Beware: the texture may feel a little odd, because it is this kind of "mattifying" stuff, so it won't be smooth and soft, but it will give you amazing height.

The powder also absorbs oil, so it's great for second- and third-day hair too.

Here's a link to it on amazon. http://www.amazon.com/OSIS-Dust-Matt.../dp/B001CN5S4C

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Thanks girlysoxfan. I went to the beauty supply store, but they didn't have those "open" clips. But I'll try to find them and try that crown method.

Thanks, shana. I just ordered the Dust It from amazon. Hadn't heard of it. Worth a shot. Lots of good reviews on amazon for it.

I had better height today, cause the dew point is kinda optimal. But after my Pilates, I have crazy all over hair. Still have volume and height, it's just nuts from sweat and rolling on the cadillac. Heh.
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Hmmm - that dust is interesting, have never heard of it. I wonder if it can be found locally...or just online?

I just have the regular duck bill clips...will look for the ones from her video later this week.
Thanks. Last question - how much ACV vs. Water do I use for the spray? Thanks!
Originally Posted by girlysoxfan
I keep a spray bottle of ACV mix in the shower. Spraying helps keep it out of your eyes. I don't use much. Most people do 1 T to 1 c water. I also use Bragg's ACV. It's organic and has the "mother" in it. You can buy it at the health food store.
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CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Aloe Fix and CCCC
Oh, I remembered another product that might be helpful. Tweek from Curly Hair Solutions. Best used to SOTC, and also often used to give texture and height to roots.


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I just looked at the reviews on amazon too, myself, and I noticed one that pointed out a weird thing about the product.

I sprinkle it on my (cough) Pattinson-length hair at the roots and then put my fingers on my scalp and rub. It really gives me a ton of volume, which is great now that I need a haircut. I like the pouffy look it gives me. However, it is IMPOSSIBLE to wash out! Yesterday I shampooed with Matrix Biolage Hydrating shampoo, and it didn't even lather up, just felt like I was adding water to my hair. After I let it air dry, it was still sticky, so I washed it with Redken All Soft. Still sticky. Went to the salon and bought some Paul Mitchell clarifying shampoo (because they didn't have any Osis shampoos there). Still sticky after 3x lather-rinse-repeat! I have emailed the manufacturers to find out the best method for removing it, and will edit this review if I get a response. But yeah, I can get 2-3 extra days of hairstyle out of one application (so, 4-5 days without having to wash and restyle).
When I first started using this dust I was not CG, and I used shampoo and silicones and all the bad stuff. I found it weird to shampoo out too. But NOW, when I'm CG and using only condish to wash, the Dust-It powder comes right out! WTH??! AMAZING. Totally strange. But it just rinses away with my conditioner unlike it ever did with non-CG shampoo/conditioner.

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have you tried these http://www.frizzoff.com/prod33.aspx (I think sally's has a similar product) I find them good. I diffuse firstly to take the total wetness off then put some of these in and leave for a while then diffuse a little longer. You can also use them on dry hair and they do lift and work good on dry hair. I know what you mean, flatness on top drives me made too! I often think I need 'firmer' hair instead of the fine hair I have!
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I just looked at the reviews on amazon too, myself, and I noticed one that pointed out a weird thing about the product.

I sprinkle it on my (cough) Pattinson-length hair at the roots and then put my fingers on my scalp and rub. It really gives me a ton of volume, which is great now that I need a haircut. I like the pouffy look it gives me. However, it is IMPOSSIBLE to wash out! Yesterday I shampooed with Matrix Biolage Hydrating shampoo, and it didn't even lather up, just felt like I was adding water to my hair. After I let it air dry, it was still sticky, so I washed it with Redken All Soft. Still sticky. Went to the salon and bought some Paul Mitchell clarifying shampoo (because they didn't have any Osis shampoos there). Still sticky after 3x lather-rinse-repeat! I have emailed the manufacturers to find out the best method for removing it, and will edit this review if I get a response. But yeah, I can get 2-3 extra days of hairstyle out of one application (so, 4-5 days without having to wash and restyle).
When I first started using this dust I was not CG, and I used shampoo and silicones and all the bad stuff. I found it weird to shampoo out too. But NOW, when I'm CG and using only condish to wash, the Dust-It powder comes right out! WTH??! AMAZING. Totally strange. But it just rinses away with my conditioner unlike it ever did with non-CG shampoo/conditioner.
Originally Posted by ShanaVilloria
That is definitely a curious thing. I wonder if something in the non-CG products interacts with the Dust It to turn it more sticky/gluey/difficult to wash? I know I don't want hard-to-remove gunk! Besides, I know it's specified here to use a "little", not a ton.
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