My husband was finally honest about the "new" hair

Yup. I use a clarifier more often. I actually am starting to like using a stronger poo after nopooing. So, I'm starting to alternate--nopoo, lowpoo, lowpoo, poo, nopoo, etc. I find that, maybe cause I do use oils as sealants and pomades that I need to cleanse a bit stronger or my hair gets superflat.
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I had to go back to low-poo because of scalp acne, and after six months, I'm thinking of going back to sulfate shampoo for the same reason. My scalp will not adjust, and I've tried changing things around.

Mind you, I have low-porosity unprocessed hair, so I think it'll be OK. I just want to talk about it a bit so anyone who doesn't go CG or even partial CG doesn't feel like they've done something terrible.

Whatever else happens, I won't go back to silicone!
2B low porosity low elasticity fine texture
I'm not CG - tried it and failed for two years. My scalp hates it.
Same here Deodand! I got horrible scalp acne, yukko. I do now what Mir described earlier and just alternate all my different products. The CJ cleansing condish is awesome, so I even no-poo sometimes. I rotate them around quite a bit. Before I do my PT, I'll use a sulfate shampoo so that the protein will (hopefully) bond better
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Fia 2cFi, fine texture, med porosity CG 5-29-09 * My hair loves protein! Currently using : DermOrganics Shampoo and IHM, G2B Kinkier Mousse, Re:Coil VMM, Anything Spiral Solutions! MO Sealing. Coconut Oil Pre-Poo, once a month Hard Water shampoo. Avoiding Glycerin in finishing products.

You mention your hair is quite fine. I have fine hair, and I've discovered that protein gives me the root-lift I need. I don't use a big protein treatment, just a bit of AOGPB each time I wash.
fine hair, not sure of porosity.
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Leave-in: CJ Curl Assurance (a dime's worth)
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You mention your hair is quite fine. I have fine hair, and I've discovered that protein gives me the root-lift I need. I don't use a big protein treatment, just a bit of AOGPB each time I wash.
Originally Posted by Texaskurl
Hey there Texas, I think the AO stands for Aubrey Organics, but what is the second part? GPB? And where do you buy yours?

Anybody else got any suggestions for protein? And also how about washing with the Kinky Curly Come Clean like one a week and low poo too? Would that help me do ya'll think and still keep me CG?

Ya'll have been great and thanks for all the great help, I check this daily to set up my next strategy! LOL
3a-3b, coarse (?), thick, elastic, porous! Mod. CG 11/2010
Poo: Tresemme Naturals Low Sulfate Shampoo, Bain De Terre Green Meadow Poo, L'Oreal Sulfate Free Poo for colored hair
Condish/Cowashes: Tresemme Naturals, L'Oreal Sulfate Free Conditioner
DT/Leave In: KC Knot Today
Gels/Stylers: KCCC, HE Totally Twisted
Weekly: Nothing yet! Don't need!
"Curls on the Go": Water Spritz
Yup. I use a clarifier more often. I actually am starting to like using a stronger poo after nopooing. So, I'm starting to alternate--nopoo, lowpoo, lowpoo, poo, nopoo, etc. I find that, maybe cause I do use oils as sealants and pomades that I need to cleanse a bit stronger or my hair gets superflat.
Originally Posted by MirCurls
I have heard a lot of people on here talking about they are "crazy for Curl Junkie". What products do you use to alternate with and kind of "clean up"? If you know what I mean. I don't use oils or pomades, (yet! lol) but I am using the Jessicurl exclusively and I probably need to mix and match huh? I know I am buggin' ya'll to death, but just trying to find something here to work for me. Oh, I saw your post about crown height. I went back to the CG book and there is a page in there about "criss-crossing" the clips at the front and top and crown. Have you tried that for some height? That looks like that might work for me too, so I am going to try that tonight when I wash and air dry! HTH
3a-3b, coarse (?), thick, elastic, porous! Mod. CG 11/2010
Poo: Tresemme Naturals Low Sulfate Shampoo, Bain De Terre Green Meadow Poo, L'Oreal Sulfate Free Poo for colored hair
Condish/Cowashes: Tresemme Naturals, L'Oreal Sulfate Free Conditioner
DT/Leave In: KC Knot Today
Gels/Stylers: KCCC, HE Totally Twisted
Weekly: Nothing yet! Don't need!
"Curls on the Go": Water Spritz
I had to stop CG. Not because it was bad...I know it helps a lot of curlies here. CO washing was just tooooo much for my hair. My hair is fine-textured and can get weighed down easily. I'm still more gentle to my hair than I ever was in my pre-CG days, but I'm less gentle now in my post-CG days than when I was in my CG days (wow! that was a mouthful). Now, I use non-sulfate shampoos and I use some cones but ones that can easily wash out. I will use a sulfate shampoo once a week or once every week and a half because even with the non-sulfate shampoos, my hair still gets weighed down easily.
Hopefully, you'll find a happy medium.
Originally Posted by Boomygrrl
Agreed! Everyone should do what works for their hair. A low-poo may be necessary in the long run. I would tweak a couple things first, but I have one stashed in my cupboard just in case!
Originally Posted by 85MR2
+1 I tried for about 2 months to go completely CG, but my scalp and hair just *really* love a good low-poo once a week or so. When I was exclusively co-washing, I got scalp acne. Not attractive!

How long have you been at it? How often do you cowash? Are you fine-haired? Porous? Nonporous?

I'm medium-textured, medium-to-thin thickness, and porous. I haven't tried the Jessicurl line, but maybe it's the products? I'd look at the hair bio thread to see what other curlies are using, and maybe order some samples from Kathymack if something sounds like it may work for you.
Originally Posted by finaleofseem
I co wash once every 3 days or so, sometimes 4 if the hair is ok. I only washed when I was "regular" washing every 2 days, so that was my approximate for when to co wash. I am a 2c-3b I have decided and I have high elasticity, and high porosity with it being medium, not fine or coarse in texture. I have only been at it for about 4 weeks and still feeling my way, but have ordered full size of JC product from Curlmart and now regret it! But I will see how things go. Am going to wash with KC Come Clean, do ACV rinse, DT with Knot Today, and use KC Curling Custard tonight and see how it goes! I may need to mix it up and find low poos along with the KC Come Clean, ACV rinse weekly, and learn height tricks for the front and crown. Am studying the CG book! Thanks for the help!
3a-3b, coarse (?), thick, elastic, porous! Mod. CG 11/2010
Poo: Tresemme Naturals Low Sulfate Shampoo, Bain De Terre Green Meadow Poo, L'Oreal Sulfate Free Poo for colored hair
Condish/Cowashes: Tresemme Naturals, L'Oreal Sulfate Free Conditioner
DT/Leave In: KC Knot Today
Gels/Stylers: KCCC, HE Totally Twisted
Weekly: Nothing yet! Don't need!
"Curls on the Go": Water Spritz
OP, I understand your dilemma. My hair is on the border of wavy and curly (so it's only moderately dry in its natural state, not super dry), and after experimenting with CG for a month I've come to realize that I actually need to continue sulfate shampooing (not no-poo or low-poo, but sulfate shampoo) to avoid the "greasy curl" look. For me, it's twice a week! (However before CG I used to shampoo my hair EVERY DAY... so big difference!) After a shampoo, I follow with both the Suave and Garnier Triple Nutrition and try not to wash the Garnier Triple Nutrition completely out. My hair actually looks BEST the day after I sulfate shampoo it, because the curls are gorgeous and defined but not too shiny/greasy, so they look like I heat-curled them. And even on weekend days when I go without styling product, my hair is still 10x softer than it ever has been in my life. So don't feel like you can never shampoo again... I think everything is worth a try, and when you first start out it's a long and arduous learning process to find out what works best for *your* hair. Good luck!!
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Last edited by CurlieTop; 03-07-2010 at 03:39 PM.
Ain't no shame in shampoo (no really, there isn't. You'd need an extra 'e' . . . ). But what might also help, if you wanted to stay as product-related CG as possible, is ye olde boar bristle brush. I still use mine almost nightly and find it particularly effective when I'm off the shampoo wagon. It distributes the oil down the shaft, so you won't get the greasy roots thing quite so soon. And it also just makes my hair more manageable whether I'm going for second day wavies, or styling my curls "normally".

Last edited by CurlyToast; 03-07-2010 at 04:49 PM.
There is another thing I overlooked and couldn't figure out for a while: when I go stay at my folk's farm for a long weekend and use their water I NEVER have a good hair day. Turns out the well water is so hard and full of rust and iron that only a good shampoo-ing will help it out. I've even thought about buying a jug of filtered water from the store to rinse with instead. Anyone else get that? Maybe it's the reason for such passionate hair battles in high school!
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Wishing the OP and everyone the best of luck along their CG or mod-CG journeys! All the advice here seems really sound.

And it's great that you're getting a fresh Deva haircut soon, that may help a lot too, so that you have an excellent foundation to start from.

Hope your hair experiments work out well!

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I also find that close-to-the-head curls and a flat top can seem "greasy" to many--it often does to me . I am trying to find that balance that gives me moisturized curls but doesn't flatten and overproduct me. I have not perfected the system. ahahha. But then, I've only been doing it three months, and I have made progress.

I will not be totally CG looks like. I still like to use a stronger poo on occasion (to clarify) and I alternate poos--Come Clean, Daily Fix, Deva LowPoo, Elucence Clarifying--depending on how my hair feels. But becuase I'm dry and porous, I do need lots of condish, the thing is, I someimes overcondish, and there's that greasy look!

Right now, I'm working on getting crown height and some more volume. When the curls are perfectly coiled and clumped, I don't like how the overall style looks. After all, people aren't looking at my curls. They're looking at the "hair effect". A flat top, close to head, supercoily, low-volume hair "effect" is not flattering on most folks, and certainly not me.

So, I think you can experiment with less product. In fact, try starting with the absolute minimum you think you can get away with (ie, poo, rinse out, a curl enhance in small quantities) and then do something to work up crown height (a bit of mousse or hard hold gel at the crown). Use some clips or stick fingers in to diffuse crown UP and roots UP close to the head. See if that works to give you a happier curl look your husband and you can enjoy.

Sorry he didn't like it, but it's nice he could be honest. My hubby has complimented me MORE since I went back to curly hair (he met me when I was frizzy-curly totally air dry natural). But your guy got used to something else and, well, change isn't always welcome. There's a happy medium somewhere, that place where you can keep your hair healthy and curly and he can like its "clean and coily" look...
Originally Posted by MirCurls
I agree with so much throughout this thread, but MirCurls came right out and said some things (bold) I've never voiced before, LOL - all too often I'll see a close up of someone's lovely, coily curls, but when I see the overall effect, I just don't like it

I still want more of a style to mine than those close-to-the head coils, no matter how shiny and well-formed. They look fine on some, but not on most, IMO. That's why my constant clipping efforts, upside down diffusing, etc. for top lift and flattering face frame and why I so often put mine half up for some height and a more flattering look on days when those efforts just didn't achieve it. Also why I often loosen my curls with a claw shaped pick after SOTC for a fuller, fluffier, less weighed-down look - mine still tends to look wet even after SOTC if I'm not careful, and this helps get rid of that. After that, though, I sometimes have to use a little good, old-fashioned hairspray (gasp!).

Anyway, OP, I agree that you'd probably benefit from protein - your hair as described sounds a lot like mine, and I've come to almost exclusively use AO GPB protein conditioner as my regular rinse-out and, just recently, Spiral Solutions protein treatment for some more intense protein - it really gets the curls bouncing, full and off my scalp.

I have to be very careful about oils. I can take them in some products, but have to pretty much avoid straight oils of any kind.

I have to always diffuse upside down and then clip the top to get and keep hair up off my scalp so it doesn't look too flat on top - air drying alone gives me flat hair every time.

I definitely have to low-poo regularly, although that's usually enough and I don't have to resort to sulfates. But if I need them, I use them - gently and conditioning well afterward. I've tried a variety of shampoo bars, but so far I'm just not impressed. Some swear by them, though.

I like Jessicurl, but I can't use it or much anything else all the time - my hair does better when I rotate products. You might try that, too.
2C/3A/3B - modified CG - fairly fine now, normal/low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite,CJ Pattern Pusha,, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

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I just posted about issues washing this out, so be careful, but I find flax seed gel gives me AMAZING root volume. No root curl, but volume. Ran out one day and had to use regular gel on half my head -- I had one obviously voluminous side (the flax seed gel) and one all flat. XD
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I use:
Garnier Ultra Doux conditioners
High in glycerin conditioners
As much gel as possible
Testing out flax seed gel
Plopping, for around 30 minutes
Pixiecurl drying
Pineappling

My scalp tends to get oily, I hate greasy hair, and I easily get overconditioned. Consequently, the co-wash method never had much appeal for me. I'm a modified CGer. I use low poo every other day, and have done so for about 1-2 years now.

My current favorite low poo, Avalon Organics, easily washes out all my CG conditioners and styling products, and gives me fresh, clean hair without over-stripping (like sulfate shampoos do). Also, I have less hair loss in the shower with this than any other shampoo I've used. Like any natural shampoo, you have to wash twice in order to get sufficient lather/cleansing, but it works great IMO.

Another thing that helps me avoid greasy scalp is Rudee's supersoaker method. The excess water distributes styling products more fully throughout my hair, so they aren't concentrated in my scalp area. I haven't tried supersoaker with Jessicurl, but maybe it would help.
hair type: 2B/3A
low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab; CJ strengthening (summer only)
winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CJ Curl Queen
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