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Old 04-28-2013, 04:53 PM   #21
 
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You have high porosity hair.
I'm not sure we can totally know that without seeing her hair.
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You have high porosity hair.
I'm not sure we can totally know that without seeing her hair.
From the way she's describing it, it sounds like High Porous because my hair is like this.
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After I moisturize my hair in an hour it feels extremely dry and brittle.
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After I moisturize my hair in an hour it feels extremely dry and brittle.
My understanding was that high porosity hair absorbed moisture really well and needed a lot and low porosity hair didn't absorb moisture well. Are you sealing in moisture after conditioning?
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After I moisturize my hair in an hour it feels extremely dry and brittle.
My understanding was that high porosity hair absorbed moisture really well and needed a lot and low porosity hair didn't absorb moisture well. Are you sealing in moisture after conditioning?
High porous hair absorbs moisture, but it absorbs it too well. I seal it with coconut oil I never of it feels rough it technically doesn't mean it's not moisturized.
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After I moisturize my hair in an hour it feels extremely dry and brittle.
My understanding was that high porosity hair absorbed moisture really well and needed a lot and low porosity hair didn't absorb moisture well. Are you sealing in moisture after conditioning?
High porous hair absorbs moisture, but it absorbs it too well. I seal it with coconut oil I never of it feels rough it technically doesn't mean it's not moisturized.
Oh, that makes sense. I don't know a lot about porosity because my hair is really middle of the road in that regard.
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Old 04-28-2013, 07:26 PM   #27
 
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My understanding was that high porosity hair absorbed moisture really well and needed a lot and low porosity hair didn't absorb moisture well. Are you sealing in moisture after conditioning?
High porous hair absorbs moisture, but it absorbs it too well. I seal it with coconut oil I never of it feels rough it technically doesn't mean it's not moisturized.
Oh, that makes sense. I don't know a lot about porosity because my hair is really middle of the road in that regard.
When it's in the normal then your hair is okay. High porous hair snt bad bugloss pours hair is
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Old 04-29-2013, 12:33 PM   #28
 
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Well, here's the thing: high-porosity hair is usually treated with a lot of protein to kinda spackle over the hills-and-valleys of the hair's cuticle and give it a smoother texture. However, being over-proteined can also make your hair feel rough and dry and like it's not accepting moisture. I think both are valid hypotheses, but we need to test them to see what her hair reacts best to in order to be sure.

She's already done a protein-heavy routine, so let's see if some moisture will balance things out.

Sealing with an oil (I'd avoid coconut for now) is probably a good idea, too.

PS. My hair was very porous when I started CG three years ago (!!), but my new growth since then is normal porosity (or maybe even lower, because I henna my hair and that spackles things over like a heavy duty protein treatment).
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Coconut oil can often make protein overload worse. I think if your giving your hair a rest from protein you should consider cutting out anything with coconut oil. Use only a moisturizing condish to cowash, deep condition and leave-in. Something like Sally's GVP or Tressemme Naturals Moisturizing.

Hang in there and try to keep things simple!
Oh no! Just about all of my products contain coconut oil. Could you link the specific Tresseme Naturals conditioner you're talking about please? I would like to research it more. I hear a lot about it!
This is the Tresemme: Natural Nourishing Conditioner | TRESemmé

This is the Sally's: Generic Value Products - GVP Conditioning Balm: Compare to Matrix Biolage Conditioning Balm

Yeah, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news re: coconut oil at the moment. I think coconut oil is great, but your hair needs a break – and you need a basic routine so that you can troubleshoot what might be going on. Maybe your hair is protein-sensitive, or maybe it's just over-proteined just right now but will love more protein later. Curly hair is such a journey!
Yes especially if it's 4b-4c kinky-curly hair! Seems like I'm doing everything wrong! :P So would I use tresemme as a deep conditioner or a leave in? or both? And do you think jojoba oil would be a better alternative oil?
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The SM Smoothie has a lot of protein in it. Check out the back, I'm pretty sure silk protein is actually described specifically. If ingredients have the word protein, keratin, collagen, or amino acid in them, then they are probably protein, and you need to avoid them right now. Eggs are also used as a protein treatment. I checked and the AIA doesn't have protein in it, but I agree that it might be worth it to dial down your use of coconut oil. You might also want to try conditioning more often when you go buy a conditioner. The two recommended work really well for people.

I imagine the cowash isn't moisturizing enough for your hair. It looks like it is suppose to take the place of a shampoo and not a conditioner. I would get a well formulated conditioner. Coconut oil and honey probably aren't absorbing into your hair enough.Usually cowashes are light and meant to clean the scalp.
Would jojoba oil be a better alternative oil for sealing and moisturizing? And what deep conditioner would you recommend for a 4b-4c low porous hair?
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Well, here's the thing: high-porosity hair is usually treated with a lot of protein to kinda spackle over the hills-and-valleys of the hair's cuticle and give it a smoother texture. However, being over-proteined can also make your hair feel rough and dry and like it's not accepting moisture. I think both are valid hypotheses, but we need to test them to see what her hair reacts best to in order to be sure.

She's already done a protein-heavy routine, so let's see if some moisture will balance things out.

Sealing with an oil (I'd avoid coconut for now) is probably a good idea, too.

PS. My hair was very porous when I started CG three years ago (!!), but my new growth since then is normal porosity (or maybe even lower, because I henna my hair and that spackles things over like a heavy duty protein treatment).
Yeah I'm going to try putting more moisture. All this time I thought I was putting moisture but instead I was putting protein. Any deep moisture conditioner recommendations? And so is like hair you hair high porous and half low porosity? Is it difficult to manage. Or did all you hair including new growth become low porous?
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Oh no! Just about all of my products contain coconut oil. Could you link the specific Tresseme Naturals conditioner you're talking about please? I would like to research it more. I hear a lot about it!
This is the Tresemme: Natural Nourishing Conditioner | TRESemmé

This is the Sally's: Generic Value Products - GVP Conditioning Balm: Compare to Matrix Biolage Conditioning Balm

Yeah, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news re: coconut oil at the moment. I think coconut oil is great, but your hair needs a break – and you need a basic routine so that you can troubleshoot what might be going on. Maybe your hair is protein-sensitive, or maybe it's just over-proteined just right now but will love more protein later. Curly hair is such a journey!
Yes especially if it's 4b-4c kinky-curly hair! Seems like I'm doing everything wrong! :P So would I use tresemme as a deep conditioner or a leave in? or both? And do you think jojoba oil would be a better alternative oil?

Tresemme is definitely suitable for leave-in and also works as a deep conditioner for some folks. I'm trying to think of something that would be even more moisturizing without protein, but I'm drawing a blank at the moment... Do a board search or post a new Q?

Jojoba oil would be nice. So would Sesame Oil or Sweet Almond Oil. Even Mineral Oil works well for some. It's worth it to experiment to see what works best for you and your hair.


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Well, here's the thing: high-porosity hair is usually treated with a lot of protein to kinda spackle over the hills-and-valleys of the hair's cuticle and give it a smoother texture. However, being over-proteined can also make your hair feel rough and dry and like it's not accepting moisture. I think both are valid hypotheses, but we need to test them to see what her hair reacts best to in order to be sure.

She's already done a protein-heavy routine, so let's see if some moisture will balance things out.

Sealing with an oil (I'd avoid coconut for now) is probably a good idea, too.

PS. My hair was very porous when I started CG three years ago (!!), but my new growth since then is normal porosity (or maybe even lower, because I henna my hair and that spackles things over like a heavy duty protein treatment).
Yeah I'm going to try putting more moisture. All this time I thought I was putting moisture but instead I was putting protein. Any deep moisture conditioner recommendations? And so is like hair you hair high porous and half low porosity? Is it difficult to manage. Or did all you hair including new growth become low porous?
re: my hair
When I started CG my hair (esp. the last 2-3 inches before the ends) was very porous. As my hair grew out with the gentler CG routine and the right balance of protein and moisture, it came along at it's healthiest porosity – which I think it "normal". Then I started henna treatments and that pushed my hair into the normal-to-low porosity range. I rarely use protein treatments since the henna takes care of any gaps in my hair's cuticle that needs to be spackled over – so I give my hair lots of moisture to keep it happy! The nice thing about my hair's current porosity is it doesn't frizz as much when exposed to humidity and as a result I don't need to use as much product to style it on a day-to-day basis.

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eh i wouldnt use tressame' naturals as a leave in. It has a drying alcohol in it. if you're trying to fix your hair i would just avoid the drying stuff in hair products
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eh i wouldnt use tressame' naturals as a leave in. It has a drying alcohol in it. if you're trying to fix your hair i would just avoid the drying stuff in hair products
I mention it because it seems to be a favorite among the folks on the conditioner-only styling thread.

D'you have any recs?
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ummm what about sally's generic value maxtrix balm. its thick for condish styling and you dont need a ton to use. very moisterizing for my hair and my hair dries out to the smallest things. I cant use any gels. protein no protein, glycerin or no glycerin .
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Thank you all! The As I Am coconut cowash did not work well for me so I'm still on the lookout for good products for my uniquely unmanageable 4b-4c hair! I don't know if I wanna use the generic matrix balm because I here it has parabens. I also here tresseme nourishing conditioner has alcohol in it? I want to keep my products as natural as possible. It doesn't have to be STRICTLY natural. But you know, just not too bad. I still need a cowash, deep co, and leave in (so basically everything haha) and I think I'll use jojoba oil to seal (hopefully it doesn't smell bad though). I like how people can come to this thread, read my post, immediately know my hair story and try to help me. If I post a new thread people won't know exactly what I'm dealing with. In other news, my hair is definitely not as bad as when I first stopped using weaves. It's still a BIG hassle but at least when I rub my hair on the back of my hand I'm not afraid it'll bleed (exaggerated of course, but it was THAT bad just a week or so ago haha). Still looking for products to make my hair feel like cotton though! Thank you! If you would like to private message me you could do that as well!
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For more natural products, Giovanni Tea Tree Triple Treat Conditioner is a great cowash; Giovanni Direct Leave-in is also well-liked. Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose (AOHR) and White Camelia (AOWC) conditioners are very moisturizing rinse-outs, but are too waxy feeling to leave in. AO Mandarin Magic Jelly is one of my all-time favorites. Shea Moisture is natural, but not my favorite -- can't think of any products without protein in their line.

Hope these recs help!

I would worry about the alcohol in Tresemme Naturals -- it's very emollient. Any drying effects are overwhelmed by the conditioning properties. Probably there for pH adjustment or ingredient stabilizer.
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I really like Yes to Carrots as a regular conditioner and leave in. I also really like AOHR, and I have used it as a leave in successfully before. AOHR isn't a very good detangler for me though, but it's very moisturizing. Someone on your other thread mentioned mixing a little olive oil in your conditioner, and that might be a good idea. We also have a product review forum here, as well as information threads in the newbie section. So there's tons of handy information on the forums you can look at, or if your interested in a product you can go to the search bar, enter the name, and probably find some curl talk reviews.
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For more natural products, Giovanni Tea Tree Triple Treat Conditioner is a great cowash; Giovanni Direct Leave-in is also well-liked. Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose (AOHR) and White Camelia (AOWC) conditioners are very moisturizing rinse-outs, but are too waxy feeling to leave in. AO Mandarin Magic Jelly is one of my all-time favorites. Shea Moisture is natural, but not my favorite -- can't think of any products without protein in their line.

Hope these recs help!

I would worry about the alcohol in Tresemme Naturals -- it's very emollient. Any drying effects are overwhelmed by the conditioning properties. Probably there for pH adjustment or ingredient stabilizer.
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I really like Yes to Carrots as a regular conditioner and leave in. I also really like AOHR, and I have used it as a leave in successfully before. AOHR isn't a very good detangler for me though, but it's very moisturizing. Someone on your other thread mentioned mixing a little olive oil in your conditioner, and that might be a good idea. We also have a product review forum here, as well as information threads in the newbie section. So there's tons of handy information on the forums you can look at, or if your interested in a product you can go to the search bar, enter the name, and probably find some curl talk reviews.
I think I'll try the Giovanni Direct leave in. I've heard about that. And I would like to do some of my own research on products but since everyone's hair situation is different from mine, they usually don't work. Once I find out how to upload pictures to this thing, I'll show just how my hair acts in water. I have a picture of my hair basically repelling the water and once I can solve that, I feel like my problems will be solved. I think I want to try the baking soda treatment again because if my hair is low porosity (which I think it is) the baking soda should open up my hair cuticles allowing water and moisture to get in.
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bump! still looking for a GREAT moisturizing deep conditioner!
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