Im trying to grow out my hair, but there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with it!

I DON'T WANT TO GO TO A RELAXER FOR HELP AGAIN. But I don't know what else to do. So to start from the beginning, I wore weaves for about 2.5 years to grow it out. Once I was all natural I stopped. But my hair is so dry! I thought it was the weaves but my hair is literally irreversibly DRY. No matter what I do to it it's DRY. It rejects all product, I think even water! This is why I thought my hair was low porosity but when I run my fingers through a strand of hair, there is TONS of resistance! And it feels sort of squeaky, and DRY, and brittle and UGH. I put a strand into a glass of water and once I completely submerged the strand in water (using my finger) it sank. I tried the Aphogee Protein Treatment once, it didnt do anything of course (considering my hair rejects EVERYTHING.) I tried the DIY yogurt deep co, I tried the Egg/Mayo deep co, I tried drugstore/beauty supply deep co, I tried the roux porosity conditioner, i even tried the baking soda treatment and NOTHING WORKED. Why does my hair feels like this It should feel like cotton-so soft and luscious. But it just feels like straw! Even oils don't do a thing. Organic Olive Oil, Castor Oil, Coconut Oil, they dont do anything! I tried shea moisture anti-breakage deep co and curl enhancing smoothie and yet again, NO long term difference. My hair feels like crap and products like shea moisture conceal it for a few seconds and my hair is back to "normal." I deep co with a plastic cap and heat too! And I sleep with a satin bonnet! I've NEVER straightened my hair, so it cant be heat damage. I'm just about all natural (except a TINY bit on the ends) and like 21 months post relaxer. If my hair grew the way it should it should be about 10.5 inches long, but it's only about 6 inches long I'm really trying to grow my hair out, BUT I NEED TO GET IT HEALTHY FIRST. Any tips on how I do that? Thank you!

UPDATE: I have used the As I Am Coconut Cowash and deep conditioned with Coconut Oil and Honey (This was all I had that was moisturizing and not protein). And I sealed with Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smootie (There was still some coconut oil on my hair so I put the smoothie on top of that). My hair STILL had a LOT of resistance and had that plastic/squeaky feeling when I rubbed it! My hair dried really fast (or at least had that DRY feeling really fast) and I forget if that means I have High or Low Porosity. The Cowash detangled my hair but my Bentonite Clay Wash DEFINITELY defines and detangles much more! I'm going to continue with the Cowash once a week to see if anything changes and my moisture problem is solved. I still need a better deep conditioner and Leave-in though. Any more tips? Thank you!

Last edited by NewlyNaturalG; 04-28-2013 at 12:02 PM.
It might be worth cross posting this in the general hair discussion or 4 section. They get more traffic.

Could you describe what you're currently doing? Like, how often do you wash it? What products are you currently using? How are you styling it? Isn't it mostly the dryness that's the problem? I really hope people on this site can help you out.
Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
Lowpoo:
Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
Rinse Out:
Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
LI: Yes to Carrots
Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse
Maybe ur hair needs to breathe after relaxing n weaving, r u following the cg method ? R u washing ur hair everyday? Maybe u need to extend the periods between the washes n let ur scalp produce its oil , why don't refresh ur hair with water spray n put some natural oil like jojoba I do this everyday without washing n it penetrates my hair leaving it soft.

Last edited by Sayoon; 04-24-2013 at 01:45 PM.
U are using a LOT of protein. I bet that's why. Try using a clarifying shampoo and try a super moisturizing conditioner like Tresseme Naturals nourishing moisture. And also use it as a leave in and a deep conditioner. Give some time to soften up bc it sounds like u have protein overload.

HTH

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2yrs 7 months post relaxer/2 years and 11 months natural

Cleanse: SM Moisture Retention or Suave Naturals shampoos
Co-Wash: Suave Naturals, L'Oreal EverCreme or EverCurl
RO/Detangler: Tresseme Naturals, GVPCB
Leave-In: SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie, TN, GVPCB
Styler: EcoStyler, GF Pure Clean gel, KCCC

Just discovering my hair likes protein!

It might be worth cross posting this in the general hair discussion or 4 section. They get more traffic.

Could you describe what you're currently doing? Like, how often do you wash it? What products are you currently using? How are you styling it? Isn't it mostly the dryness that's the problem? I really hope people on this site can help you out.
Originally Posted by rainboe
Oh alright I don't use this site too often so thank you for the tip! And Every two weeks I wash my hair with bentonite clay mixed with apple cider vinegar. Then I deep co using mayo,honey, and olive oil (i don't use egg anymore because it leaves stuff on my hair). then I moisturize with shea moisture curl enhancing smoothie and seal with coconut oil. Of course all of this is done in vein, considering none of it does anything. :/ And the problem is dryness AND just like idk the way my hair "naturally" feels. It feels like PLASTIC. And I keep it in a bun because it's too dry to do anything with it.
Maybe ur hair need to be breathe after relaxing n weaving, r u following the cg method ? R u washing ur hair everyday? Maybe u need to extend the periods between the washes n let ur scalp produce its oil , why don't refresh ur hair with water spray n put some natural oil like jojoba I do this everyday without washing n it penetrates my hair leaving it soft.
Originally Posted by Sayoon
I stopped weaves about 8 weeks ago and stopped relaxers about 21 months ago so by now I thought my hair would like "change" or something. But no, it's still the same. My problem is that my hair simply REJECTS all product. Considering nothing works! That's why I thought I have low porosity but I still don't know. :/ I wash my hair once every two weeks as well. And water and jojoba oil will only be a temporary fix. I want to know what I can do to make my hair normal feeling. Like when I rub my fingers thorough a strand I don't want to feel any resistance like I do now. :/
U are using a LOT of protein. I bet that's why. Try using a clarifying shampoo and try a super moisturizing conditioner like Tresseme Naturals nourishing moisture. And also use it as a leave in and a deep conditioner. Give some time to soften up bc it sounds like u have protein overload.

HTH

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Originally Posted by SmilingElephant
I use bentonite clay as a "shampoo" isn't that clarifying? I don't know. But I need help with finding a product that makes my hair ACCEPT products because nothing works! I don't think water works either I don't know if my hair is damaged but i don't know how it would be damaged because I've never straightened it or colored it so I don't know.
Have you tried a honey and olive oil deep moisturising mask?
This is my prayer. That I'll die living just as free as my hair.
Have you tried a honey and olive oil deep moisturising mask?
Originally Posted by MedusaWarrior
Well you could say that. But I also added mayo to that. It didn't work either :/
U are using a LOT of protein. I bet that's why. Try using a clarifying shampoo and try a super moisturizing conditioner like Tresseme Naturals nourishing moisture. And also use it as a leave in and a deep conditioner. Give some time to soften up bc it sounds like u have protein overload.

HTH

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Originally Posted by SmilingElephant
Ooh, I really agree with this. You probably should try cutting protein. Protein and moisture ar e different, and if your using too much protein it could be sabotaging you moisturizing attempts, like putting mayo in your deep treatments. That means cutting the mayo and the smoothie and see what your hair does. TN is good. Protein can be really good for your hair, and might have made it look good before, but too much can make hair rough and hard. You can't just wash it out either. You have to give your hair a break from it so it wears off.

Also, you can put a protein free conditioner in a spray bottle with water and use that to moisturize between washes. Personally, I don't find oils moisturizing enough by themselves. I need a well formulated conditioner to help keep my hair moisturized, then I seek that in with oils. The smoothie is more of a sealer for me, and I have to use a conditioner under it.
Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
Lowpoo:
Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
Rinse Out:
Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
LI: Yes to Carrots
Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse
U are using a LOT of protein. I bet that's why. Try using a clarifying shampoo and try a super moisturizing conditioner like Tresseme Naturals nourishing moisture. And also use it as a leave in and a deep conditioner. Give some time to soften up bc it sounds like u have protein overload.

HTH

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Originally Posted by SmilingElephant
Ooh, I really agree with this. You probably should try cutting protein. Protein and moisture ar e different, and if your using too much protein it could be sabotaging you moisturizing attempts, like putting mayo in your deep treatments. That means cutting the mayo and the smoothie and see what your hair does. TN is good. Protein can be really good for your hair, and might have made it look good before, but too much can make hair rough and hard. You can't just wash it out either. You have to give your hair a break from it so it wears off.

Also, you can put a protein free conditioner in a spray bottle with water and use that to moisturize between washes. Personally, I don't find oils moisturizing enough by themselves. I need a well formulated conditioner to help keep my hair moisturized, then I seek that in with oils. The smoothie is more of a sealer for me, and I have to use a conditioner under it.
Originally Posted by rainboe
What do you think of Aussies 3-minute miracle. I've only heard good things about it but I'm not sure of the ingredients. And oh no I didn't know mayo had protein I though it was only eggs and yogurt that's why I stopped using it as well. And my problem is also finding a conditioner my hair will accept. My hair doesn't accept product it seems. Any conditioners in mind? Hmm and yeah I think I'll start using my smoothie as a sealant. Thank you!
I agree with cutting out protein, but I also suggest doing some hot oil treatments. You can use olive oil or check out some recipes on youtube to make your own hot oil treatments. You are not going to see immediate results it going to take time so you need to be patient. Also, its probably not that your hair rejects everything it might just be that you are overloading with the protein and it cant get any better while you are still using it.
I cut protein from my routine for awhile when i had super dry brittle hair and that worked. Do not use aphogee again, thats really strong. And the bentonite clay wash is drying too so maybe rhassoul clay is gentler. Or you can do a acv rinse then wash your hair with conditioner.

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I agree with cutting out protein, but I also suggest doing some hot oil treatments. You can use olive oil or check out some recipes on youtube to make your own hot oil treatments. You are not going to see immediate results it going to take time so you need to be patient. Also, its probably not that your hair rejects everything it might just be that you are overloading with the protein and it cant get any better while you are still using it.
Originally Posted by KaitAleese
I cut protein from my routine for awhile when i had super dry brittle hair and that worked. Do not use aphogee again, thats really strong. And the bentonite clay wash is drying too so maybe rhassoul clay is gentler. Or you can do a acv rinse then wash your hair with conditioner.

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Originally Posted by deja_vu
Alright so I think everyone agrees I'm using too much portein so I'm cutting that out. For 4 weeks I will try the CG method and see how my hair turns out!
UPDATE: I have used the As I Am Coconut Cowash and deep conditioned with Coconut Oil and Honey (This was all I had that was moisturizing and not protein). And I sealed with Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smootie (There was still some coconut oil on my hair so I put the smoothie on top of that). My hair STILL had a LOT of resistance and had that plastic/squeaky feeling when I rubbed it! My hair dried really fast (or at least had that DRY feeling really fast) and I forget if that means I have High or Low Porosity. The Cowash detangled my hair but my Bentonite Clay Wash DEFINITELY defines and detangles much more! I'm going to continue with the Cowash once a week to see if anything changes and my moisture problem is solved. I still need a better deep conditioner and Leave-in though. Any more tips? Thank you!
Coconut oil can often make protein overload worse. I think if your giving your hair a rest from protein you should consider cutting out anything with coconut oil. Use only a moisturizing condish to cowash, deep condition and leave-in. Something like Sally's GVP or Tressemme Naturals Moisturizing.

Hang in there and try to keep things simple!
|| 3b; normal porosity; fine/normal texture || CG since Feb 2010 || SD prone & Propylene Glycol Sensitive

Current Routine BAQ henna 1/month Leave-in OH Hair Dew Cheapie Conditioner Tresemme Naturals Moisturizing
Old Stand-bys extra-virgin coconut oil Protein AO GPB; Moisture AO HR Style AOMMJ – Kept for troubleshooting.
Waiting to try extra-wide curlformers SD treatment Neutrogena T-Sal; H&S Clinical Strength

Coconut oil can often make protein overload worse. I think if your giving your hair a rest from protein you should consider cutting out anything with coconut oil. Use only a moisturizing condish to cowash, deep condition and leave-in. Something like Sally's GVP or Tressemme Naturals Moisturizing.

Hang in there and try to keep things simple!
Originally Posted by poemaXX
Oh no! Just about all of my products contain coconut oil. Could you link the specific Tresseme Naturals conditioner you're talking about please? I would like to research it more. I hear a lot about it!
Coconut oil can often make protein overload worse. I think if your giving your hair a rest from protein you should consider cutting out anything with coconut oil. Use only a moisturizing condish to cowash, deep condition and leave-in. Something like Sally's GVP or Tressemme Naturals Moisturizing.

Hang in there and try to keep things simple!
Originally Posted by poemaXX
Oh no! Just about all of my products contain coconut oil. Could you link the specific Tresseme Naturals conditioner you're talking about please? I would like to research it more. I hear a lot about it!
Originally Posted by NewlyNaturalG
This is the Tresemme: Natural Nourishing Conditioner | TRESemmé

This is the Sally's: Generic Value Products - GVP Conditioning Balm: Compare to Matrix Biolage Conditioning Balm

Yeah, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news re: coconut oil at the moment. I think coconut oil is great, but your hair needs a break – and you need a basic routine so that you can troubleshoot what might be going on. Maybe your hair is protein-sensitive, or maybe it's just over-proteined just right now but will love more protein later. Curly hair is such a journey!
|| 3b; normal porosity; fine/normal texture || CG since Feb 2010 || SD prone & Propylene Glycol Sensitive

Current Routine BAQ henna 1/month Leave-in OH Hair Dew Cheapie Conditioner Tresemme Naturals Moisturizing
Old Stand-bys extra-virgin coconut oil Protein AO GPB; Moisture AO HR Style AOMMJ – Kept for troubleshooting.
Waiting to try extra-wide curlformers SD treatment Neutrogena T-Sal; H&S Clinical Strength

You have high porosity hair.
The SM Smoothie has a lot of protein in it. Check out the back, I'm pretty sure silk protein is actually described specifically. If ingredients have the word protein, keratin, collagen, or amino acid in them, then they are probably protein, and you need to avoid them right now. Eggs are also used as a protein treatment. I checked and the AIA doesn't have protein in it, but I agree that it might be worth it to dial down your use of coconut oil. You might also want to try conditioning more often when you go buy a conditioner. The two recommended work really well for people.

I imagine the cowash isn't moisturizing enough for your hair. It looks like it is suppose to take the place of a shampoo and not a conditioner. I would get a well formulated conditioner. Coconut oil and honey probably aren't absorbing into your hair enough.Usually cowashes are light and meant to clean the scalp.
Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
Lowpoo:
Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
Rinse Out:
Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
LI: Yes to Carrots
Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse

Last edited by rainboe; 04-28-2013 at 07:00 PM.

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