single strand knots - can I leave them on?

Hi there,

since I went CG my hair is much curlier. And I think that is also causing more single strand knots. On the moment I have LOTS of them.

The thing is, I cutted them a lot since I heard people on this forum say they will cause breakage. But when I cut sections of my hair with the single strand knots in it shorter, the single strand knots will come back every **** time! So if I cut my hair, it doens't really matter because they just come back higher in the hair.

Anyone else has this problem? Would it be ok to just let the single strand knots for what they are? I do not experience a lot of breakage at all actually, and I would like to grow my hair longer.
highlighted 3a hair. Fine strands, medium to high density. Probably high porosity. Growing uit bad layering and aiming for waist lenght!

Pre-poo: coconut oil
wash: CJ Daily fix or SheaMoisture Coconut&Hibiscus
RO + LI: different every time
Styler: CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB

dislikes: glycerin in low dews, scissor happy stylists, magnesium sulfate

(modified) CG since june 25, 2012
Hiarfinity + extra MSM since March 5., 2014

SL - APL - BSBL- BSL - MBL - WL (stretched)
You should try protective styling. It will help your hair to stay untangled. Try twisties or braids.
If you leave the knots on they will snag and snarl up more easily with healthy hair causing tangles and, eventually, breakage. Everything we do with CG is aimed at getting the hairs to lie nicely next to one another, to be hydrated and to slip and slide on adjacent hairs. Knots are the opposite.

IMO work out why and when they are occurring - curlier hair is only one part of the equation, some long straight heads get a lot of SSK, it's quite possible the bleach damage you mention in your signature is playing a role for example. Then work on fixing that. Some get knots due to rubbing on clothing or cotton bed sheets, from rubbing on a headrest in the car or back of the sofa, from styling upside down, from having loose hair in a breeze, being overdue for a trim, not washing or detangling frequently enough, not oiling the ends enough, using a rough comb instead of gentle fingers, or any combination of the above.

If you have not already you might consider the Komaza Care hair analysis, they will tell you what problems you have at the root, lengths and ends, what products/ ingredients to look for, if you need a trim and exactly how much. They would hopefully be able to identify why you get so many SSK.
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ETA are you still using Rockin Ringlets regularly? Many people find that and protein are both quite drying and can cause knots and tangles if used regularly, magnesium sulphate in RR also makes your curls tighter which you are identifying as a problem. Do you use coconut oil? It's amazing for peroxide damaged hair, I find it helps with slip and easier detangling with regular intensive treatments.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 05-24-2013 at 08:53 AM.
thank you so much for your feedback!

I don't really know why I have so much SSK's. I do care for my hair really good actually: wear it in a knot when I am at home, sleeping on a satin pillowcase, detangling in the shower with conditioner (but i can do that with my fingers instead of a wide tooth come if that's better), only co-washing or very sometimes a low-poo... But, my hair is indeed bleached damaged (and fine&curl) so that could be the main cause. I wash/detangle about twice a week, would that be not often enough?

I still use Rocking Ringlets, quite regulary actually. I like it, but do you think it causes the SSK's? My hair is dry at the ends, but the problem is that if I moisturize more my hair looses volume (I have fine hair).

I'm not shure if the Komaza Cara hair analysis is possible for me, because I live in the Netherlands. I did looked for a hair analysis back here but couldn't find it?

Anyway, I'm afraid I just have my hair trimmed again
It's too bad, I want to grow my hair longer but I have to trim so much everytime it doesn't get any longer
My last 'official' trim was 6 months ago, but in the meantime i trimmed the ends on my own.
highlighted 3a hair. Fine strands, medium to high density. Probably high porosity. Growing uit bad layering and aiming for waist lenght!

Pre-poo: coconut oil
wash: CJ Daily fix or SheaMoisture Coconut&Hibiscus
RO + LI: different every time
Styler: CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB

dislikes: glycerin in low dews, scissor happy stylists, magnesium sulfate

(modified) CG since june 25, 2012
Hiarfinity + extra MSM since March 5., 2014

SL - APL - BSBL- BSL - MBL - WL (stretched)
Oh, and I just bought coconut oil. How should I use it? It also isn't liquid??
highlighted 3a hair. Fine strands, medium to high density. Probably high porosity. Growing uit bad layering and aiming for waist lenght!

Pre-poo: coconut oil
wash: CJ Daily fix or SheaMoisture Coconut&Hibiscus
RO + LI: different every time
Styler: CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB

dislikes: glycerin in low dews, scissor happy stylists, magnesium sulfate

(modified) CG since june 25, 2012
Hiarfinity + extra MSM since March 5., 2014

SL - APL - BSBL- BSL - MBL - WL (stretched)
You should try protective styling. It will help your hair to stay untangled. Try twisties or braids.
Originally Posted by Ravon08
what are twisties? (English is not my native language, I'm sorry)

And you think I should braid my hair? But do you mean braid it when it's wet and let it dry in a braid so it won't dry up too curly? Or do you mean wearing it in a braid the whole day? Because I like to wear my haar loose (meaning: not in a braid/ponytail/knot)
highlighted 3a hair. Fine strands, medium to high density. Probably high porosity. Growing uit bad layering and aiming for waist lenght!

Pre-poo: coconut oil
wash: CJ Daily fix or SheaMoisture Coconut&Hibiscus
RO + LI: different every time
Styler: CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB

dislikes: glycerin in low dews, scissor happy stylists, magnesium sulfate

(modified) CG since june 25, 2012
Hiarfinity + extra MSM since March 5., 2014

SL - APL - BSBL- BSL - MBL - WL (stretched)
thank you so much for your feedback!

I don't really know why I have so much SSK's. I do care for my hair really good actually: wear it in a knot when I am at home, sleeping on a satin pillowcase, detangling in the shower with conditioner (but i can do that with my fingers instead of a wide tooth come if that's better), only co-washing or very sometimes a low-poo... But, my hair is indeed bleached damaged (and fine&curl) so that could be the main cause. I wash/detangle about twice a week, would that be not often enough?

I still use Rocking Ringlets, quite regulary actually. I like it, but do you think it causes the SSK's? My hair is dry at the ends, but the problem is that if I moisturize more my hair looses volume (I have fine hair).

I'm not shure if the Komaza Cara hair analysis is possible for me, because I live in the Netherlands. I did looked for a hair analysis back here but couldn't find it?

Anyway, I'm afraid I just have my hair trimmed again
It's too bad, I want to grow my hair longer but I have to trim so much everytime it doesn't get any longer
My last 'official' trim was 6 months ago, but in the meantime i trimmed the ends on my own.
Originally Posted by etos
Rockin Ringlets plus bleach damage could be the main causes. Twice a week detangling may not be enough for you given you are suffering single strand knots, every head is different. But cut out the RR first, that alone might be enough to make a difference within a few weeks.

Komaza Care offer the hair analysis to overseas customers, I think they usually do the chat part by Skype, but you could just ask for the detailed written report and an e-mail I would imagine. That is in the thread I linked to.

Coconut oil is often a solid at room temperature because it is mostly saturated fats, just scoop a little out and melt it in the microwave or bowl in a sink of warm water, in warmer weather you can even just melt in your hands. You can use the oil as it is on fairly clean dry or damp hair or mixed with honey (I find this gives an extra curl boost), cover your head overnight with a shower cap or plastic bag, plus a towel turban to keep the heat of your head in, sleep and wash out with loads of conditioner in the morning.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
The way to combat those fairy knots is to protective style, apply a good moisturizing conditioner to your ends nd keep your hands put of your hair! Constant manipulation of the strands create friction. This will stretch the coils and create knots and tangles. If you want o avoid this avoid wash and go hair styles, tie your hair up at night with silky scarves and sleep on a satiny pillowcase.
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I started CG around 6 weeks ago and I love the definition and moisture I've seen since then, but Ive noticed I started getting SSK's now and Ive never had that problem before. I honestly just leave them alone and am just really careful with my hair, and keep it up in buns all the time and I have been fine (so far).
I started CG around 6 weeks ago and I love the definition and moisture I've seen since then, but Ive noticed I started getting SSK's now and Ive never had that problem before. I honestly just leave them alone and am just really careful with my hair, and keep it up in buns all the time and I have been fine (so far).
Originally Posted by KaitAleese
You may find that you need a better substitute for silicones in your products, ingredients with good detangling/ slip include the behentrimoniums, coconut oil and certain plant extracts like marshmallow. Ingredients like shea butter or an excess of fatty alcohols can work against you because they can be sticky rather than slippy.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
thank you so much for your feedback!

I don't really know why I have so much SSK's. I do care for my hair really good actually: wear it in a knot when I am at home, sleeping on a satin pillowcase, detangling in the shower with conditioner (but i can do that with my fingers instead of a wide tooth come if that's better), only co-washing or very sometimes a low-poo... But, my hair is indeed bleached damaged (and fine&curl) so that could be the main cause. I wash/detangle about twice a week, would that be not often enough?

I still use Rocking Ringlets, quite regulary actually. I like it, but do you think it causes the SSK's? My hair is dry at the ends, but the problem is that if I moisturize more my hair looses volume (I have fine hair).

I'm not shure if the Komaza Cara hair analysis is possible for me, because I live in the Netherlands. I did looked for a hair analysis back here but couldn't find it?

Anyway, I'm afraid I just have my hair trimmed again
It's too bad, I want to grow my hair longer but I have to trim so much everytime it doesn't get any longer
My last 'official' trim was 6 months ago, but in the meantime i trimmed the ends on my own.
Originally Posted by etos
Rockin Ringlets plus bleach damage could be the main causes. Twice a week detangling may not be enough for you given you are suffering single strand knots, every head is different. But cut out the RR first, that alone might be enough to make a difference within a few weeks.

Komaza Care offer the hair analysis to overseas customers, I think they usually do the chat part by Skype, but you could just ask for the detailed written report and an e-mail I would imagine. That is in the thread I linked to.

Coconut oil is often a solid at room temperature because it is mostly saturated fats, just scoop a little out and melt it in the microwave or bowl in a sink of warm water, in warmer weather you can even just melt in your hands. You can use the oil as it is on fairly clean dry or damp hair or mixed with honey (I find this gives an extra curl boost), cover your head overnight with a shower cap or plastic bag, plus a towel turban to keep the heat of your head in, sleep and wash out with loads of conditioner in the morning.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275

thank you so much for your feedback. I did a trim three weeks ago and I don't use the rocking ringlets anymore (instead I use CIAB what I like as well). I'm afraid the SSK are also due by the bleach. But I so like the highlights in my hair I guess it's probably worth the damage. Also the hair on the ends is far more damaged than the hair more on top of my head, while I bleached the lower part of my hair a lot (that was not highlights, just regular bleach every month. yes. EVERY MONTH) and wasn't CG for a long time.
highlighted 3a hair. Fine strands, medium to high density. Probably high porosity. Growing uit bad layering and aiming for waist lenght!

Pre-poo: coconut oil
wash: CJ Daily fix or SheaMoisture Coconut&Hibiscus
RO + LI: different every time
Styler: CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB

dislikes: glycerin in low dews, scissor happy stylists, magnesium sulfate

(modified) CG since june 25, 2012
Hiarfinity + extra MSM since March 5., 2014

SL - APL - BSBL- BSL - MBL - WL (stretched)
Question: should you oil your ends every night?

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