Hair colour discrimination, too!

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Yeah, Marah was just offering a historical explanation as to the origin of ginger-bashing because so many of us were baffled as to where it came from. She wasn't excusing or justifying it.
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Yeah, okay ---- now you've got another crackpot theory to justify why it happens. You still don't live it, and have no idea of the offensive behavior it brings out in others. And unless you do, or have, again, why do you feel entitled to comment on its history? Would you do that with other minorities?

I really don't care how benign Marah's reasons were for her alleged historical explanation. And yes, we all know about her dual citizenship in two discriminated-against groups. I think it's pretty hard to avoid, if you read any of her posts.

So, Marah, why not continue your focus in that direction, okay? Oh, and thanks for the quotes around half-Jewish. I appreciate the distinction.
I don't know.. I guess us Americans are just ..um "different" lol.... cause a lot of women here have dyed their hair SOME form of red in their lives at one point or another..even if it was just a few reddish streaks or hi- lights.

I know I did all through high school. You couldn't tell me NOTHING with my auburn dyed hair.. I did ruby red, auburn, mahogany red, burgundy, even had the nerve to have reddish purple streaks in the bangs one time.

Back when I was in school it was cool to dye your hair or part of it some form of red.
Yeah, okay ---- now you've got another crackpot theory to justify why it happens. You still don't live it, and have no idea of the offensive behavior it brings out in others. And unless you do, or have, again, why do you feel entitled to comment on its history? Would you do that with other minorities?

I really don't care how benign Marah's reasons were for her alleged historical explanation. And yes, we all know about her dual citizenship in two discriminated-against groups. I think it's pretty hard to avoid, if you read any of her posts.

So, Marah, why not continue your focus in that direction, okay? Oh, and thanks for the quotes around half-Jewish. I appreciate the distinction.
Originally Posted by ninja dog
Darn Ninja.. I feel like you are being WAY over the top and taking the whole thing WAY to personal.

You don't want people to discriminate against this and that but then you come with this attitude.

NO WHERE did I say I had a problem with red hair.. and while you are SO ALL UP IN MY POSTS.. how come you never came across where I've mentioned in them that my natural color is a reddish brown and that I used to dye my hair auburn in high school, huh ?

If you have a problem because you've been treated poorly because you have red hair.. then guess what TAKE IT UP WITH THOSE PEOPLE instead of coming in here venting your purile attitude toward me a person who isn't even against red hair and hasn't said a damn thing negative about it!

DAMN!
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I appreciate your measured response, Marah.

This is one of a few "hot-button" issues for me (and I'm feeling a little, uh, hormonal, today, too, it seems).

I love being a redhead, but it is so horrible having total strangers --- or friends, even --- comment on the alleged color of one's pubic hair.......or just to have people constantly remark, for good or for ill, on one's appearance. There are nicknames, and insults, and possibly the most horrible of all: the obsessives.

So, while I understand you weren't trying to excuse why it happens, it's my feeling that there are a hundred, or a thousand, reasons, and none of them are very comfortable (for me at least).
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Yeah, okay ---- now you've got another crackpot theory to justify why it happens. You still don't live it, and have no idea of the offensive behavior it brings out in others. And unless you do, or have, again, why do you feel entitled to comment on its history? Would you do that with other minorities?

I really don't care how benign Marah's reasons were for her alleged historical explanation. And yes, we all know about her dual citizenship in two discriminated-against groups. I think it's pretty hard to avoid, if you read any of her posts.

So, Marah, why not continue your focus in that direction, okay? Oh, and thanks for the quotes around half-Jewish. I appreciate the distinction.
Originally Posted by ninja dog
Darn Ninja.. I feel like you are being WAY over the top and taking the whole thing WAY to personal.

You don't want people to discriminate against this and that but then you come with this attitude.

NO WHERE did I say I had a problem with red hair.. and while you are SO ALL UP IN MY POSTS.. how come you never came across where I've mentioned in them that my natural color is a reddish brown and that I used to dye my hair auburn in high school, huh ?

If you have a problem because you've been treated poorly because you have red hair.. then guess what TAKE IT UP WITH THOSE PEOPLE instead of coming in here venting your purile attitude toward me a person who isn't even against red hair and hasn't said a damn thing negative about it!

DAMN!
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi
Okay, I wrote you a nice reply based on your penultimate post, but, never mind.

If you want to insult someone, please choose words you can spell: it's "puerile", not "purile". Perhaps spending more time with a dictionary and less with Celtic history may be in order?
Okay, I wrote you a nice reply based on your penultimate post, but, never mind.

If you want to insult someone, please choose words you can spell: it's "puerile", not "purile". Perhaps spending more time with a dictionary and less with Celtic history may be in order?
Originally Posted by ninja dog
LOL... now you are picking on spelling. Clearly, you knew what the hell I meant. LOL! Or did you do a quick net search and look it up ? And I've seen the word spelled the way I spelled it before.. so whatever. I'm not the best speller..big deal.

All of this pissy attitude just because I explained where the idea of red hair discrimination is supposed to come from.. you clearly have some funky chip on your shoulder cause you were picked on for your red hair.

I get it.. we get it.. it's gotten. Boo fricken hoo. I guess you feel like that gives you some sort of pass to act so full of piss and vingear. It doesn't.

As I said.. hey go to those people that dogged you out with it.. cause no one here picked on you about it. I mean just really..get over yourself.

You are kind of making yourself look like an idiot for no good reason. At least have a GOOD reason for acting wacky. LOL!

Feel free to correct any spelling or grammar mistakes I made.. cause I couldn't give less than a damn. LOL!
I appreciate your measured response, Marah.

This is one of a few "hot-button" issues for me (and I'm feeling a little, uh, hormonal, today, too, it seems).

I love being a redhead, but it is so horrible having total strangers --- or friends, even --- comment on the alleged color of one's pubic hair.......or just to have people constantly remark, for good or for ill, on one's appearance. There are nicknames, and insults, and possibly the most horrible of all: the obsessives.

So, while I understand you weren't trying to excuse why it happens, it's my feeling that there are a hundred, or a thousand, reasons, and none of them are very comfortable (for me at least).
Originally Posted by ninja dog
Oh.. I didn't see this before I wrote what I did last.

Ehhh.. it's no biggy. I just didn't understand why you were so upset with me when I didn't say anything mean or hurtful about red hair.

I have reddish brown hair.. but I never got discriminated for it. So I can't relate to how you feel given I understand the sentiments. Everyone liked my hair color except for me growing up..hence why I used to dye it redder. I dye it black now cause I got into the goth scene when I was younger and it's hard as hell to get black out now and I am okay with it.

Anyhoo.. damn Ninja.. I am sorry things happened to you just cause you have red hair. But I was like good lawd.. she's going crazy on me and I didn't even DO anything.. LOL!

It's cool. Don't even sweat it.
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Yes, we all know how sensitive and kind you are to posters who, through personal experience, disagree with your perspective, Marah.

I think that you would probably explode if someone said "Boo Fricken Hoo" to you about being black and Jewish. So, for once, for.one.g-damned.time. since you've appeared on this site, consider someone else's experience as relevant, rather than dismissing her (and not very nicely at that). Maybe sometimes, as your own life as a Jewish person of color might have shown, people have a chip on their shoulder for a good reason.
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Okay, apparently our timing is bad and we're going to argue and then drop it repeatedly.

I'm probably due for the next round from you, so I'll go ahead and turn the other cheek now.
Okay, apparently our timing is bad and we're going to argue and then drop it repeatedly.

I'm probably due for the next round from you, so I'll go ahead and turn the other cheek now.
Originally Posted by ninja dog
Yeah.. and AS A JEW.. (ROFLMAO) we believe in SELF DEFENSE... cause your last post before this one.. LOL! I could really unleash (oh wait maybe that's my black side coming out more) and I would be within my rights.. LOL!

No seriously.. I will let it go.

Like I said.. it's cool. It's clear to me this is a sensitive subject for you.. I do think I was sort of jumped on unfairly for just giving an explanation....but such is life.

MY PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS BEING UNFAIRLY PERSECUTED!

ROFLMAO!

Kidding... I am cool...if you are.
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Yeah. Sorry.

I kinda lose it about this issue.
Yeah. Sorry.

I kinda lose it about this issue.
Originally Posted by ninja dog
You get a pass...

I kind of lose (almost spelled it "loose") it about the Holocaust and American slavery history when my buttons are pushed.

So okay.. we both lose it at times.. so sue us! LOL!

I don't mean to bring up any bad memories but when I read about people commenting on your "lower" hair color.. I was horrified. I can't believe someone would say that like it's casual talk... as much as I can't STAND Lindsay Lohan..I was horrified for her when that guy kept calling her "fire crotch". I wanted to punch him FOR her..and I can't stand the little heffa.
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I think that in the interest of composure, I will not comment further on that aspect of things, lest I get all worked up again. But I appreciate your understanding.

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I find it rather frightening that people can single out a group with a certain hair color and threaten them. This is not the first time I have heard of 'ginger attacks' in England. It happens too in America, although the attacks may not be so extreme there are judgmental calls on redheads. In school, and my niece is having this problems occur, I was singled out. Not for abuse, but not to play with others. I was the odd child out due to having red hair. The worst part was I was practically the only child in my entire school that had red hair. Some people just get so brainwashed I'm sure even they don't even know where this hatred of 'gingers' have come from.....where did it come from?
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Yeah, okay ---- now you've got another crackpot theory to justify why it happens. You still don't live it, and have no idea of the offensive behavior it brings out in others. And unless you do, or have, again, why do you feel entitled to comment on its history? Would you do that with other minorities?

I really don't care how benign Marah's reasons were for her alleged historical explanation. And yes, we all know about her dual citizenship in two discriminated-against groups. I think it's pretty hard to avoid, if you read any of her posts.

So, Marah, why not continue your focus in that direction, okay? Oh, and thanks for the quotes around half-Jewish. I appreciate the distinction.
Originally Posted by ninja dog
so, a white person can't comment about how african american's being in slavery was wrong? Is that what you are saying?

I find it rather frightening that people can single out a group with a certain hair color and threaten them. This is not the first time I have heard of 'ginger attacks' in England. It happens too in America, although the attacks may not be so extreme there are judgmental calls on redheads. In school, and my niece is having this problems occur, I was singled out. Not for abuse, but not to play with others. I was the odd child out due to having red hair. The worst part was I was practically the only child in my entire school that had red hair. Some people just get so brainwashed I'm sure even they don't even know where this hatred of 'gingers' have come from.....where did it come from?
Originally Posted by CurlyKarline
I don't know where it come from but since I don't have red hair I guess I can't comment on it. Honestly I'm from the hill billy south HOME of discrimination and I've never witnessed discrimination against red heads, I knew a strawberry blond girl in elementary school...well she was mean as hell, but so were some black haired girls and brunette haired girls, etc. The only time I've ever heard someone talk about a red headed person was to describe them, and I can't even describe a red head unless it's like BAM red. When I see "red heads" I would always describe them as a type of brown color and then someone would get an attitude with me and say "no she/he's a red head"

And that dude calling lindsay a fire crotch got that from Paris hilton.
I love red hair. In fact I'm going to dye it red whenever this henna grows out (another "reddish" color) My daughter's hair was blood red when she was born, and it stayed that way until she was like 5, now she's 23 and it's red-brown. My oldest son has red/blondish highlights in the front of his hair that are more pronounced in the summer. I've been told that there is a smattering of Irish and Scottish in my family, but I don't know if that really means anything as far as hair. *shrugs*
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Thank you, redhead supporters and understanders.

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Ninj,

You wouldn't be you without you're foibles.

Everyone's got their trigger issue, some it's religion, race, gender, education. With you it's hair colour.
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People think it's not a big deal, or just a bit of teasing, etc. when in fact, it devastates many. There's a terrific stigma attached, especially overseas, and it's even worse for men.
Pregnant women are verbally assaulted on the Tube about it (guess how?); and even my favorite show has an ongoing storyline on the subject (but since it's Cartman, I know it's b.s.).

When I was a kid, there was a haircolor ad campaign which went, "The redhead is dead!" You can imagine how much fun that was to hear on a continual basis.

But you know what's really, really annoying about it? I'm often told, "but you're more strawberry blonde," as if I'm somehow more acceptable because I'm only partly a member of a reviled group. I've even heard other full-out redheads call themselves "half a blonde" (huh?) as if to distance themselves from the stigma. And everyone: strangers, men, women, and children alike, have an effing opinion about red hair.

I'm not going to say that this is comparable to racism, because obviously, I don't know what it's like to be a person of color. And, I have the (loathsome) option of dyeing my hair to hide who I am. But I think that anytime there's outside pressure to change who or what you are physically, it's terrible. It promotes self-hatred.

And then there's the continual dichotomy of redhead lovers v. redhead haters......

What I'm trying to say is that though I may be flippant about flipping out when people try to "explain" why it happens, it's a big deal, it affects people's self-esteem, and seems to be one of the remaining bastions of ridicule and insult the world over. And I hate it.

Rant over. (I hope the thread is, too.)

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