Hair colour discrimination, too!

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People think it's not a big deal, or just a bit of teasing, etc. when in fact, it devastates many. There's a terrific stigma attached, especially overseas, and it's even worse for men.
Pregnant women are verbally assaulted on the Tube about it (guess how?); and even my favorite show has an ongoing storyline on the subject (but since it's Cartman, I know it's b.s.).

When I was a kid, there was a haircolor ad campaign which went, "The redhead is dead!" You can imagine how much fun that was to hear on a continual basis.

But you know what's really, really annoying about it? I'm often told, "but you're more strawberry blonde," as if I'm somehow more acceptable because I'm only partly a member of a reviled group. I've even heard other full-out redheads call themselves "half a blonde" (huh?) as if to distance themselves from the stigma. And everyone: strangers, men, women, and children alike, have an effing opinion about red hair.

I'm not going to say that this is comparable to racism, because obviously, I don't know what it's like to be a person of color. And, I have the (loathsome) option of dyeing my hair to hide who I am. But I think that anytime there's outside pressure to change who or what you are physically, it's terrible. It promotes self-hatred.

And then there's the continual dichotomy of redhead lovers v. redhead haters......

What I'm trying to say is that though I may be flippant about flipping out when people try to "explain" why it happens, it's a big deal, it affects people's self-esteem, and seems to be one of the remaining bastions of ridicule and insult the world over. And I hate it.

Rant over. (I hope the thread is, too.)
Originally Posted by ninja dog

You just described everything black women have to go through, not only with skin color, but with hair texture as well, which is a huge stigma placed on natural hair. I don't see how Marah was so wrong for describing the historical aspects redhead. If anyone would know about discrimination, I think anyone of color who grew up with kinky/curly hair would know.

I'm sure that Marah will mention that not only is she discriminated for being black but because she's also jewish, and we all know this, lol.
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I think Marah and I have made peace about the matter (I hope).

This was simply a further rant.
People think it's not a big deal, or just a bit of teasing, etc. when in fact, it devastates many. There's a terrific stigma attached, especially overseas, and it's even worse for men.
Pregnant women are verbally assaulted on the Tube about it (guess how?); and even my favorite show has an ongoing storyline on the subject (but since it's Cartman, I know it's b.s.).

When I was a kid, there was a haircolor ad campaign which went, "The redhead is dead!" You can imagine how much fun that was to hear on a continual basis.

But you know what's really, really annoying about it? I'm often told, "but you're more strawberry blonde," as if I'm somehow more acceptable because I'm only partly a member of a reviled group. I've even heard other full-out redheads call themselves "half a blonde" (huh?) as if to distance themselves from the stigma. And everyone: strangers, men, women, and children alike, have an effing opinion about red hair.

I'm not going to say that this is comparable to racism, because obviously, I don't know what it's like to be a person of color. And, I have the (loathsome) option of dyeing my hair to hide who I am. But I think that anytime there's outside pressure to change who or what you are physically, it's terrible. It promotes self-hatred.

And then there's the continual dichotomy of redhead lovers v. redhead haters......

What I'm trying to say is that though I may be flippant about flipping out when people try to "explain" why it happens, it's a big deal, it affects people's self-esteem, and seems to be one of the remaining bastions of ridicule and insult the world over. And I hate it.

Rant over. (I hope the thread is, too.)
Originally Posted by ninja dog

You just described everything black women have to go through, not only with skin color, but with hair texture as well, which is a huge stigma placed on natural hair. I don't see how Marah was so wrong for describing the historical aspects redhead. If anyone would know about discrimination, I think anyone of color who grew up with kinky/curly hair would know.

I'm sure that Marah will mention that not only is she discriminated for being black but because she's also jewish, and we all know this, lol.
Originally Posted by Samielle1
agreed.
My husband is a red head from the UK. He was bullied about red hair pretty much right through school and into adulthood. Apparently the fat kids breathe a sigh of relief when a red head walks in because there will be someone else to take the heat.

When I got pregnant, to a person, his family's response was, "Oh God, maybe she won't get your (his) hair" and my family said, "Oh God, let's hope she gets his hair." My hair is brown and curly and who wants that

She's a blond, btw. WTF.

Last edited by CGNYC; 04-30-2010 at 03:33 PM.
I'm from the UK and I've never heard of the many red-heads in my schools being bullied.. But oh well I guess the bullies just chose to pick on other people Cruel huh? HOW CAN YOU PICK ON SOMEONE FOR THEIR HAIR COLOUR? HOW? GEEZ! What is wrong with people???

(BTW the girl would be a 6th or 7th grader or in year 7 or 8 )
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Oh my god, I wanted to cry after reading this! I actually have black hair, but I've always wanted red hair, because it's beautiful and unique!
But I'm in middle school, and I know a cute guy with orange/red (natural) hair and freckles, and lots of kids jokingly call him a ginger. I think some kids get it from the "cartoon" show South Park. There's a character that the other characters call a ginger.

I personally don't think any middle school kid should be watching Family Guy, American Dad, The Simpsons, or South Park...
In the UK using the term 'ginger hair' is not necessarily offensive, if said to describe the hair with no spite or offense intended. But when It is used mockingly, then it can be thought of as very offensive. It really depends on how it is said..
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Good question! I have NO idea hmmmm.... Off to google it!
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Nope. Couldn't find anything, but I found a story about a boy who committed suicide because he was bullied because of his red hair
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Wow that's so sad.

I found a website and they referenced it back to Wikepedia. Ginger actually refers to strawberry blonde, yahoo answers implies the same thing. Strawberry blonde is closer to the color of ginger.

Just a fact. Most of the worlds red heads live in Scotland and the second most in Ireland. 46% of the people in Scotland carry the gene for red hair. Interesting.
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The only time I've ever heard someone talk about a red headed person was to describe them, and I can't even describe a red head unless it's like BAM red. When I see "red heads" I would always describe them as a type of brown color and then someone would get an attitude with me and say "no she/he's a red head"
Originally Posted by turtles
This is totally me. I think for me it's because my mother, my aunt, my uncle and my grandmother were all redheads, but it was a very medium red. An obviously red red.

So for many years, I did not see a lot of redheads, because people with truly red hair are rare. Many have more of a brownish- or blondish-red going on. I have to really look to see those redheads.
Why is red hair referred to as ginger anyways?
Originally Posted by Samielle1
Why is it called red for that matter. One of my nieces spent about two years correcting people and telling them that she had orange hair, not red hair.
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My husband is a red head from the UK. He was bullied about red hair pretty much right through school and into adulthood. Apparently the fat kids breathe a sigh of relief when a red head walks in because there will be someone else to take the heat.

When I got pregnant, to a person, his family's response was, "Oh God, maybe she won't get your (his) hair" and my family said, "Oh God, let's hope she gets his hair." My hair is brown and curly and who wants that

She's a blond, btw. WTF.
Originally Posted by CGNYC
My Mom is a brunette, and my Dad is a redhead. They had three blonde children. Go figure.
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I have a Bosnian friend who has red hair. I don't know how the red hair gene entered Bosnia (majority of Bosnians have dark brown hair), but I think it's super sexy! I'm usually jealous of redheads.
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I have a Bosnian friend who has red hair. I don't know how the red hair gene entered Bosnia (majority of Bosnians have dark brown hair), but I think it's super sexy! I'm usually jealous of redheads.
Originally Posted by SicilyCurl
You don't always have to have a direct lineage to red hair. One can have a blonde parent and a brunette parent and have a red haired child. Red hair color is simply a more blonde mix in with a little black, brunette is more black mixed in with a little blonde, etc. All hair colors come from mixtures of black and blonde hair. I learned this in cosmetology school.

Idk where I was going with this but now you know, lol.
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Why is red hair referred to as ginger anyways?
Originally Posted by Samielle1
Why is it called red for that matter. One of my nieces spent about two years correcting people and telling them that she had orange hair, not red hair.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
My guess is:
1. Most people don't want their hair referred to as orange.
2.The hair actually does look red compared to other hair colors.
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What a sad story. I think red hair is super gorgeous and I've always wanted to have red hair. I have very dark brown hair... SUPER BORING! LOL!

Redheads have that spunk in them that can't be denied. It is also said that they have more sex than anyone else. Lucky!

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I have a Bosnian friend who has red hair. I don't know how the red hair gene entered Bosnia (majority of Bosnians have dark brown hair), but I think it's super sexy! I'm usually jealous of redheads.
Originally Posted by SicilyCurl
You don't always have to have a direct lineage to red hair. One can have a blonde parent and a brunette parent and have a red haired child. Red hair color is simply a more blonde mix in with a little black, brunette is more black mixed in with a little blonde, etc. All hair colors come from mixtures of black and blonde hair. I learned this in cosmetology school.

Idk where I was going with this but now you know, lol.
Originally Posted by Samielle1
Red hair is a recessive gene, I think. As long as both parents have a red gene in their DNA somewhere, it's definitely possible to have a red-haired child, even if no one's had red hair for generations. Say the father has a redheaded gene and a blonde gene, and the mother has a redheaded gene and a brunette gene. Blonde is more dominant than red, and brunette is more dominant than blonde. Their kid will get one gene from each parent. If the kid gets blonde and brunette, they'll be a brunette. If the kid gets red and blonde, they'll be a blonde. If they get red and red, they'll be a redhead. Of course, there are always genetic mutations. With a recessive gene, they have to have both genes be the same or they'll end up with the dominant gene instead.
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I have a Bosnian friend who has red hair. I don't know how the red hair gene entered Bosnia (majority of Bosnians have dark brown hair), but I think it's super sexy! I'm usually jealous of redheads.
Originally Posted by SicilyCurl
You don't always have to have a direct lineage to red hair. One can have a blonde parent and a brunette parent and have a red haired child. Red hair color is simply a more blonde mix in with a little black, brunette is more black mixed in with a little blonde, etc. All hair colors come from mixtures of black and blonde hair. I learned this in cosmetology school.

Idk where I was going with this but now you know, lol.
Originally Posted by Samielle1
Red hair is a recessive gene, I think. As long as both parents have a red gene in their DNA somewhere, it's definitely possible to have a red-haired child, even if no one's had red hair for generations. Say the father has a redheaded gene and a blonde gene, and the mother has a redheaded gene and a brunette gene. Blonde is more dominant than red, and brunette is more dominant than blonde. Their kid will get one gene from each parent. If the kid gets blonde and brunette, they'll be a brunette. If the kid gets red and blonde, they'll be a blonde. If they get red and red, they'll be a redhead. Of course, there are always genetic mutations. With a recessive gene, they have to have both genes be the same or they'll end up with the dominant gene instead.
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Originally Posted by Aquamarina

Yes, that too.
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