Curly hair is a genetic defect?

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So, a friend of mine and I were talking about hair and she (who has naturally straight hair) tells me that curls are the result of a genetic defect and that hair is actually naturally supposed to be straight. Yep, she said that to me sitting right there with a head full of curls.
Now, I know there has been a lot of discussion on the genetics of curly genes in these forums, but honestly, has there been any studies on this? It seems to me her comment was made purely out of ignorance, but it borders on xenophobia a little too much for my liking...and I told her that bluntly which ended the conversation.

Has anyone else gotten these kinds of comments?
I know that people that live in hot places (like Africa) have tightly coiled hair to help deal with the heat. The hair helps the head to sweat and the body sweats to regulate body temp. So in that case it isn't a defect but an evoluntionary accessory

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Never heard this one before. Well, if it is a defect I'm definitely defected. Like major defect.
That's so ridiculous!
It's like saying that everyone should fit the same model. One kind of skin, one shape of eyes, all the same height and weight, to be ''normal''.
Who's to determine which genes are normal anyway?
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That's a bunch of bull crap because I know for a fact that half or more of the people in the world have curly hair!
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That's stupid. It's like saying blue eyes are unnatural. Pfft.

I don't get the xenophobia thing- curly hair is DEFINITELY not from one country or place. Trust me on this one. It's more of a hate of curly hair then hate for a certain country.
Defect implies it hinders survival, and hence, reproduction, and therefore shouldn't be present in the majority of the populace. Therefore it's not a defect. Might have started as a mutation (or straight hair might have), but it's certainly no defect. In my opinion anyway.

(and fyi, mutations are the drivers for evolution, which ensure the survival of a species, and therefore - can be a good thing... just as a side note, and has already been addressed by the lovely laniseworks)

EDIT: to answer your original question - I don't think I've received comments like that. Some dumb comments for sure, but none like that, that I can remember.
"defect" is certainly not the word I'd use. It make curly hair sound abnormal, and I think the curly hair gene is in fact dominant to straight hair.
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There are genetic mutations/defects (if you want to call them that), where curly hair is one of the "symptoms," but overall it sounds like she was just hating.

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I'm pretty sure this is not the case with all instances of curly hair. People crack me up.
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That's stupid. It's like saying blue eyes are unnatural. Pfft.

I don't get the xenophobia thing- curly hair is DEFINITELY not from one country or place. Trust me on this one. It's more of a hate of curly hair then hate for a certain country.
Originally Posted by The Spiral Queen
Although you are absolutely correct in stating that there are curlies all over the world, unfortunately curly hair has often been linked to ethnicity, just think about the statement "ethnic hair." And its not just pertaining to those of African descent, but other more predominantly curly haired "ethnicities" such as Italian, Middle Eastern, Jewish, Irish, etc. So I don't believe that the original poster was wrong in detecting a possible, although probably unconscious, racial slant in her friend's statement. Basically, it was an ignorant statement plain and simple.
Well, seeing as I'm of 100% English decent (which is not a "curly nationality"), and nobody in my family has curly hair, I'm more clueless than you guys. From what I understand, curly hair is caused by the hair follicle being an oval, as opposed to a circle, so it could very well be a mutation, but not one that impacts anyone or anything negatively, except for -coney companies.
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OK, forgive me if I sound ignorant or anything because I'm no genetics expert (school was a while ago and I got a C in that class anyway)...

First of all maybe by "defect" what your friend meant was a genetic mutation.....which is not a bad thing. Most of our features are the result of mutations....that's how we adapt and how evolution happens. Like if our genes never mutated and experimented we'd still be cavemen, right?

Either way, I would think that if any "type" of hair is a result of mutation....it would be STRAIGHT hair, right? Because didn't the earliest humans come from Africa, and I don't think people coming out of Africa would have straight hair like that.....I believe the curly hair in hot regions thing has to do with the hair growing up/out, which allows heat to escape from the top of our heads (where we lose the most body heat) better. At least, that's the way my teacher in high school broke it down. So by that logic I would think if anything "curly" hair came first....


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Well, seeing as I'm of 100% English decent (which is not a "curly nationality"), and nobody in my family has curly hair, I'm more clueless than you guys. From what I understand, curly hair is caused by the hair follicle being an oval, as opposed to a circle, so it could very well be a mutation, but not one that impacts anyone or anything negatively, except for -coney companies.
Originally Posted by hellohorcrux
Funny. Because my mom's best friend's grandmother was completely English and she has curly hair. Or at least I think that's what my mom's friend meant when she said it looked like an "afro".
I guess my friend possibly got confused between the words 'defect' and mutation' I would have to say after reading all your posts. I feel as though her argument with me stems from her own insecurities. Straight haired haired people, afterall, do not have an entire online community dedicated to make them feel better about their hair.

C'est la vie!
I also don't think she used the correct word-curly hair may well be a genetic mutation, not a defect. Just like green eyes are a mutation, but I'm very proud of all my mutations :P
I know dictionary definitions can be reductive, but just wanted to share this: genetic defect - definition of genetic defect by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

For something to be a "defect," it would need to cause a disease or disorder - in other words, it would need to have negative consequences. Curly hair is obviously not a negative consequence. Saying that curly hair is a defect is like saying that freckles or detached earlobes or knuckle hair are genetic defects - which would be ridiculous. They don't cause problems - they're just differences among people.

Also, I think saying that either straight or curly hair is "normal," and that other types are a "mutation," kind of invites discrimination. Aren't all hair types just variations/mutations on the same thing? I'm remembering stuff from women's studies and multicultural studies, where straight, "Caucasian" hair is supposed to be the norm, but only because white people have political power. I don't want to support that kind of thinking by saying that any hair type is more genetically "normal" than another - that's the kind of thinking that leads people to hate/ignore their natural texture.

Also, my boyfriend (who is thinning on top a little) just offered his opinion on this post: "Hair is the genetic defect. That's why I'm going bald."
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I know dictionary definitions can be reductive, but just wanted to share this: genetic defect - definition of genetic defect by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

For something to be a "defect," it would need to cause a disease or disorder - in other words, it would need to have negative consequences. Curly hair is obviously not a negative consequence. Saying that curly hair is a defect is like saying that freckles or detached earlobes or knuckle hair are genetic defects - which would be ridiculous. They don't cause problems - they're just differences among people.

Also, I think saying that either straight or curly hair is "normal," and that other types are a "mutation," kind of invites discrimination. Aren't all hair types just variations/mutations on the same thing? I'm remembering stuff from women's studies and multicultural studies, where straight, "Caucasian" hair is supposed to be the norm, but only because white people have political power. I don't want to support that kind of thinking by saying that any hair type is more genetically "normal" than another - that's the kind of thinking that leads people to hate/ignore their natural texture.

Also, my boyfriend (who is thinning on top a little) just offered his opinion on this post: "Hair is the genetic defect. That's why I'm going bald."
Originally Posted by lazy_wavy
A lot of great points! Thanks for sharing! Also, your boyfriend has good point
I know dictionary definitions can be reductive, but just wanted to share this: genetic defect - definition of genetic defect by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

For something to be a "defect," it would need to cause a disease or disorder - in other words, it would need to have negative consequences. Curly hair is obviously not a negative consequence. Saying that curly hair is a defect is like saying that freckles or detached earlobes or knuckle hair are genetic defects - which would be ridiculous. They don't cause problems - they're just differences among people.

Also, I think saying that either straight or curly hair is "normal," and that other types are a "mutation," kind of invites discrimination. Aren't all hair types just variations/mutations on the same thing? I'm remembering stuff from women's studies and multicultural studies, where straight, "Caucasian" hair is supposed to be the norm, but only because white people have political power. I don't want to support that kind of thinking by saying that any hair type is more genetically "normal" than another - that's the kind of thinking that leads people to hate/ignore their natural texture.

Also, my boyfriend (who is thinning on top a little) just offered his opinion on this post: "Hair is the genetic defect. That's why I'm going bald."
Originally Posted by lazy_wavy
This is similar to what I was stating in my previous post. The idea that curly hair=ethnic hair, signals a distancing of oneself from the "other"-- i.e. that which is different (and perhaps scary) from white, patriarchal, heteronormative society.

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lol.. !! if curly hair is defect everything is defect. it's just a change like we changed from monkeys, so all people are defect. first all was in africa so everybody else is defect every hair color, eye color and hair type is defect. i'm actually a big defect monster.
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So, are redhaired curlies/wavies doubly mutated? There's lots of us.

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