What the heck?



I'm super pissed. Again. Quote from The Why Behind Natural Hair Fascination


“Because my black ancestors may have been your ancestors’ property, and had to smile while they got touched in ways they didn’t want to, but I am not YOUR property and never will be, so you’d best move your hand away from me.”

WHAT THE FREAKING HECK.

That is so freaking racist. How dare someone say that. When I say racist I mean racist against Europeans.

You assume Europeans feel superior to Africans JUST BECAUSE THEIR *LONG DEAD* ANCESTORS *MIGHT* HAVE BEEN SLAVE OWNERS?
Do you freaking think just because someone’s kin was a slave owner they are automatically evil monsters who think they can control you? WTF.


*sarcasm* And I see plenty of Africans asking to touch European people’s hair, so are they trying to turn Europeans into slaves?
Idiots.


Also, why is African hair considered NATURAL? Does that mean Asian or European hair is not natural and doesn't attract stares?

Last edited by The Spiral Queen; 07-27-2011 at 10:24 PM.
I admit that article was pretty strange to me too. Yes I think it's very rude when people OF ANY RACE try to touch someone else's hair without permission. But I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it was attributed to a slave owner/slave relationship.
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I admit that article was pretty strange to me too. Yes I think it's very rude when people OF ANY RACE try to touch someone else's hair without permission. But I think it's absolutely ridiculous that it was attributed to a slave owner/slave relationship.
Originally Posted by itsiliii

I agree with you. No matter anyone's race, it's annoying to just randomly grab someone's hair.

And yes, it is ridiculous and, I must say, whiny to bring up the slavery thing. That is a sensitive topic for anyone, and 90% of people alive today had nothing to do with it. It's nuts and senseless to throw the whole slavery crap at people who had nothing to do with it.
By "natural" one means Afro textured hair in its natural state as compared to Afro textured hair that has been chemically altered with a relaxer or texturizer. Not implying or saying that European or Asian hair isn't natural.

The slavery bit was reaching, but I wouldn't call it "whiny". I think she was trying to touch on why the woman's sense of entitlement bothered her and went a tad too far.

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Last edited by annabananaliese; 07-28-2011 at 12:45 AM.
Well, that one lady in the other article did get mad and say to her child, "She should have been glad that I wanted to touch her hair, I'm tired of being nice to *****y black women". So in that way she did feel a sense of entitlement to touch her hair while bringing up race.

And it's not whiny. Idk what she experienced, maybe someone who was white told her that. Idk, I'm not her. But some, *SOME* white people do feel that way still, that blacks are still not equal to whites. Maybe she grew up in a racist town or something.

And black hair is called natural because most black women have a chemical relaxer in their hair. Why are you mad about what other people call their hair? You know your hair is natural, is it really effecting your life that much? I honestly don't care how someone labels their hair/themselves as long as they don't try to label me while fitting their perspective on things.
Well, that one lady in the other article did get mad and say to her child, "She should have been glad that I wanted to touch her hair, I'm tired of being nice to *****y black women". So in that way she did feel a sense of entitlement to touch her hair while bringing up race.

And it's not whiny. Idk what she experienced, maybe someone who was white told her that. Idk, I'm not her. But some, *SOME* white people do feel that way still, that blacks are still not equal to whites. Maybe she grew up in a racist town or something.

And black hair is called natural because most black women have a chemical relaxer in their hair. Why are you mad about what other people call their hair? You know your hair is natural, is it really effecting your life that much? I honestly don't care how someone labels their hair/themselves as long as they don't try to label me while fitting their perspective on things.
Originally Posted by favoritecolorblu
"She should have been glad..."

Some people, I swear.

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Well, that one lady in the other article did get mad and say to her child, "She should have been glad that I wanted to touch her hair, I'm tired of being nice to *****y black women". So in that way she did feel a sense of entitlement to touch her hair while bringing up race.

And it's not whiny. Idk what she experienced, maybe someone who was white told her that. Idk, I'm not her. But some, *SOME* white people do feel that way still, that blacks are still not equal to whites. Maybe she grew up in a racist town or something.

And black hair is called natural because most black women have a chemical relaxer in their hair. Why are you mad about what other people call their hair? You know your hair is natural, is it really effecting your life that much? I honestly don't care how someone labels their hair/themselves as long as they don't try to label me while fitting their perspective on things.
Originally Posted by favoritecolorblu
"She should have been glad..."

Some people, I swear.

On the phone! Sorry for teh errerz.
Originally Posted by annabananaliese
Yeah, that's why I can see why that woman in that article would feel like that. That women who said those things felt like she was automatically allowed to touch her hair. Plus she brought up race? Something tells me she's racist. I'm just putting that out there.


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I think both those ladies are brats. It was wrong for that one lady to call the other a b-tch and get all mean, and it was wrong for the other lady to just ASSUME and say something so racist.

Just another reason why I wish people understood, biologically, races do not exist.

And about the natural hair thing, whenever people ask how I style my hair [on the computer and even once on the phone IRL] I say "oh it's natural, I just condition and shampoo it" and they assume I'm black. My hair does affect my life. A lot. I have many examples...

Last edited by The Spiral Queen; 07-28-2011 at 10:31 AM.
Still pissed.

And btw, if you think some 'white' people feel superior, I'm quite sure some 'black' people feel superior too. It's definitely not a one sided feeling.
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It would never occur to me to touch anyone's hair without asking, and even then, it would have to be someone I knew well. The only reason I'd do so anyway is to see how the product she's used feels, anyway.

Probably, I'd simply ask, "Does it still feel soft?" Or "Did it leave your hair crunchy?"

However, my friend and stylist just reaches out and touches mine all the time and asks, "What did you use?" She's the only person I let boss me about my hair. It's funny. (She's fixed lots and lots of horrible color gaffs on my part, so she's entitled to be suspicious, even though I've learned my lesson. For now.)

Touching a stranger in any way is presumptuous, imo.
By "natural" one means Afro textured hair in its natural state as compared to Afro textured hair that has been chemically altered with a relaxer or texturizer. Not implying or saying that European or Asian hair isn't natural.

The slavery bit was reaching, but I wouldn't call it "whiny". I think she was trying to touch on why the woman's sense of entitlement bothered her and went a tad too far.

This phone makes accurate punctuation unnecessarily difficult.
Originally Posted by annabananaliese
Well it's true that in days gone by white people were "entitled" to do pretty much anything they wanted to do to black people, with hair touching being on the lower end of the scale of these types of affronts, going all the way up to rape and murder without being called to account for it.

So Spiral Queen, you may not like that the black woman felt this way, but there's a reason for it. Some people who are still alive today have grown up with elders who survived slavery. Feeling superior and racism are two different things.
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I don't think that the lady who touched her hair was being racist. I think she was just offended that she freaked out at her when she thought she'd take hair touching as a compliment. If someone wants to touch your hair it's gotta look pretty good, right?
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Yeah, but even a kindergartner knows you keep your hands to yourself. If you want to touch, at least ask first and don't be mad if people say no.

You just can't go around touching everyone you think "looks good" whenever you want.
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Well, if I recall correctly there are three races: Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid.

I still don't think what the black lady said was racist. Like someone said before, we don't know her experiences.

We're already having a discussion here if you want to join.

PS I've had people assume I'm white after talking to me on the phone, or before meeting me in person. I don't get butthurt, though. If people assume you're black (which is no big deal, btw) based on what you said about your hair, then that's their problem. I'm not sure how it affects your life negatively...
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I have to say this.

So because a part of you looks good, people should feel entitled to touch you? Thats like a guy grabbing your a.ss and then saying "Whats the problem? It just looked so good, you should feel flattered!" Thats just ridiculous.

And about the slavery thing, I thought that was a bit much when I first read it but as you go on to read the story the woman says:

She should have been glad that I wanted to touch her hair, I'm tired of being nice to b.itchy black women

But some are steaming over the mention of slavery, and not the above quote?

She should have been glad? Why? Whats so special about you touching her hair. Are you above touching her hair?

And the woman is b.itchy because she didn't allow a stranger to touch her? And what does her blackness have to do with it?

You wanted to touch a a black woman for whatever reason, got rejected and now you're mad because she doesn't know her place, which is to concede to whatever unnecessary requests satisfy your curiosity at the time? Please.

But out of all of that, you zeroed in on the slavery bit?

Okay.
Well, if I recall correctly there are three races: Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid.
Originally Posted by annabananaliese
Maybe not biolgically/genetically, but socially there are probably eleventy-billion races because people identify in so many different ways.
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Well, if I recall correctly there are three races: Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid.
Originally Posted by annabananaliese
Maybe not biolgically/genetically, but socially there are probably eleventy-billion races because people identify in so many different ways.
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
I learned that there was "race" and then there were "ethnicity." Race being biological, and ethnicity being social/anthropological.
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Well, if I recall correctly there are three races: Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid.
Originally Posted by annabananaliese
Maybe not biolgically/genetically, but socially there are probably eleventy-billion races because people identify in so many different ways.
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
I learned that there was "race" and then there were "ethnicity." Race being biological, and ethnicity being social/anthropological.
Originally Posted by annabananaliese
I've learned it the opposite way.

Blame it on the cell phone...
Gosh, white folks sure do get upset about the possible implication that some other white folks might be racist. Yikes! (says a definitely white girl.)

What's interesting to me is how much (this board in particular) curly-oppression talk there is on these boards without an understanding that part of the reason straight hair is so valued in our culture has to do with white northern european standards of beauty that have predominated in american culture for most of its existence. Women of color's hair that is called 'natural' when its left curly points to the fact that there is incredible pressure from the culture at large for them to chemically straighten their hair to meet a european standard of beauty. These standards are ALWAYS culturally coded - and explain why standards change across time, geographical location, class, etc.

Furthermore, racism goes FAR beyond slavery, and far beyond individual acts of aggression. Racism is a systemic problem that informs all of our lives, no matter how good we are. Racism is that system that says straight hair is prettier than curly hair (which we all know is total crap, yeah?) its the system that calls pale beige band-aids 'flesh' toned, its the system that kept us from having a president of color for so long. And the civil rights era is not so long ago . . .you might feel that racism is long gone, but I'll bet your parents, or grandparents can remember a time in their lives when black folks weren't allowed to use the same water fountain, or vote, or hold the same jobs as white folks.

If you live in that system as a marginalized person, you might just be entitled to get upset when someone touches your hair without asking.
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