Ppl With Wavy Hair Think Its Curly. Am I the only one who's annoyed by this?

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It irks me a little bit...my friends who basically have straight hair sleep in braids or something and then they're like "my hair is all curly."
In my head I'm like...well, not really. But really it's no big deal. At least it shows that some people actually WANT to have something besides stick straight hair!
[QUOTE=Radicalgnome2;1760907]It irks me a little bit...my friends who basically have straight hair sleep in braids or something and then they're like "my hair is all curly."
In my head I'm like...well, not really. But really it's no big deal. At least it shows that some people actually WANT to have something besides stick straight hair![/QUOTE]

You're right, if a straight haired person says that their hair is curly, (regardless of whether it is or isn't) to me that's a compliment because it's saying that they want it to be that way, and they are seeing that curls look good which can only be a good thing.
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It's actually other people that say my hair is curly. And I'm always like, "No, it's wavy!"
But I might confuse them a bit because I do curl my hair a lot.

What really bothers me is when people say they have wavy hair when their hair is completely pin straight except for on tiny wave on the bottom.

Last edited by Ariodante; 09-09-2011 at 07:02 PM.
Being pleased with, and even excited about my hair, for the first time in my life makes me a little sensitive to ideas of hair "types" (other than this website or the Curly Girl handbook) because I often feel like, "They have no idea." Here, as in Massey's book, no matter what curl type, everyone has "gone through" stuff with their hair, and everyone experiences problems like tangling, dryness, frizziness, limpness, etc.

Now that I'm learning to "love" my natural hair I find I'm way more easily frustrated by friends with poker straight hair who complain of frizz, or complaints about dryness, lack of control, etc. I want to say, "Really? How many times have you left the contents of a jar of mayonnaise on your head for 8 hours? How many times have you oiled (any oil...from olive to Wesson)for hours on end? When's the last time someone asked you if you stuck your arm in an electric socket?"

I've found that what's been bugging me is straight hair that's curled being called curly. (Not here - on hairstyle websites, fashion blogs, etc.) Often when I see "celebrities" and models with supposedly curly hair, I think to myself, "That's not curly hair. It's curled hair." For example, I often see pictures of Gwyneth Paltrow where her hair is described as "curly". To me it doesn't seem like her hair is actually "curly", but straight hair that's had curl added temporarily. Obviously this is an issue of semantics, or being overly technical, but it bugs me nonetheless. (I'll bet Gwyneth's never slept with encyclopedias on her wet hair in attempts to flatten it...I've yet to see a photo of her with even a strand of frizz on her head. I wonder if, as a teenager, her stylist used to rip razer blades down her hair to "tame her rat's nest?")

I have pictures of myself through the years in which I used to call my hair "straight" that day, or with that style...and now I realize my hair was still "curly" (because, no matter how damaged, it was, at least, wavy.) For awhile I was on a medication that destroyed my curl pattern, and I thought of my hair as "straight". However, my calling it "straight" was inaccurate, because I've never had straight hair.
Maybe it was some sort of denial, on my part, but it was definitely my concept relative to my own hair.

On the other hand, it's been years since I've seen how truly curly it is. I've always brushed, blow-dried, flattened, bleached, hennaed...I never attempted the "wash & go" until this summer. I'm not taking any medication that appears to interfere with my natural hair, now, and I'm treating my hair like it's fragile, so my hair's had a bit of a rebirth. I guess I'm proud of it, and proud to embrace what I've been born with, rather than try to make myself like anyone else.
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Last edited by gardencurls; 05-18-2012 at 10:51 PM.
I didn't read the whole thread, but I think this is what scares wavies away from websites on how to care for their "curls." Our hair is clearly not straight, but neither is it full of springy curls. How to deal with that when you want to know information? We get lumped in with the curlies and do our best to muddle through. Ever seen a website dedicated to caring for your waves? I haven't.

And yes, it IS different from caring for straight hair. Even in the CG book the author keeps referring to the "curls" that the wavies have.
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Sunshineliz - I am a total "newbie" here. I read that you didn't read the entire post, and my last post is right below yours, so I'm afraid I said something bad. I'm new to this site and the last thing I want it to insult someone. For what it's worth, about 90% of the people in this whole thread (not to mention the NaturallyCurly community) don't differentiate "wavy" from "curly". Curl experts like Lorraine Massey and Ouidad claim that all hair that isn't straight is curly. It's fun to vent with others who understand how crazy it can be to have curly (any kind of curly) hair. The more I learn about the huge difference in curly vs. straight hair, scalps included, the more I realize how important it is to use a whole different approach for care. I have a 3 year old daughter, and I'm trying to learn as much as I can so that she can have the healthiest hair possible.

Personally, I have friends and relatives whose hair is sometimes called "wavy" on Curls sites, (it doesn't spiral), but it's way tighter and often more difficult and frizzy than hair of other friends who have "soft" or "loose" spiral curls.

I think the original post, which is several years old, was someone venting about the many people we encounter who use only themselves as a baseline for their perspective and understanding, and, as a result can cause widespread misunderstanding. For example, I've read reviews and critiques on other sites where someone with straight hair sleeps in braids for three nights and then claims to have "curly hair" for 5 hours (till it flops). This person will try CG/No-Poo/No sulfates/whatever and claim their hair is flat, greasy, damaged, etc. and then they bash the CG regimin inside out, and try to give it a bad reputation.

Everything is "relative" so to speak. I have olive skin, and I can tan quite deeply. When my sister-in-law visits she always refuses to wear sunscreen at my pool, because she insists she tans really well (which drive me crazy, because tanning isn't good for skin). I guess, at some point after her visits, her lobster red skin damage gets a brown cast before it flakes and peels off her body, and she calls it tan. She also curls her entire head of hair with a curling iron, every single day (and sometimes leave the obvious "rings") and claims she has curly hair. She doesn't have curly hair anymore than she has tan skin, but in comparison to her self only, she can believe anything she wants, LOL!

Anyways - I just want to make sure nothing I wrote made you feel unwelcome, in a place where I am new as well, and hope we have fun learning more and more about our hair.

Sunshineliz - In your picture I think your hair looks like what Lorriane Massey calls Cherub Curls in The Curly Girl Handbook. What is the supposed difference between a curl and a wave anyways? I need to look that up. :-)
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Last edited by gardencurls; 09-15-2011 at 10:47 PM. Reason: Added note
No worries gardencurls. I wasn't worried about you personally. I only read the first page or two before I posted. I was also smarting slightly over being on a different hair forum where we were discussing whether it mattered if you were "disrupting your curl structure" and someone told me (tongue in cheek most likely) that I didn't need to worry as I didn't have one anyway.

And actually that curl that looks like it came straight out of a curling iron in my picture--that IS all me from my first hairtyping with no product or manipulation. BUT I only get that underneath and it is limply, loosely wavy everywhere else. And CG book measures by spring factor which puts me solidly in the wavies in the majority of my hair. I sadly tried to be a straighty today and finger-combed my hair over and over while wet and ended up with frizz ALL over.

But I see that there are plenty of people who defend the 'bends' in wavy hair as a subtype of curls.

BTW I'm also here on NC for my sweet DD5 who has much "sproinger" curls than me. I can't figure out her hairtype either. CG typing doesn't help as they leave out between 4-5" spring factor where alot of DD5's hair lies. (She's got less spring than that in the back though.) But, I'm willing to learn what I can.
Closet wavy...trying to decide if I want to come out.
My hair is like 2c-3a and my sisters hair is 2a (and she almost always straightens it). I was talking to my dad about getting my hair cut, and he told me that my hair wasn't really that curly...and then he went and told my sister how he liked her curly hair. omg. seriously?
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Well, my hair is a little 2b, mostly 2c, and a teeny bit 3a. So I guess I'm a wavy girl. However, that doesn't stop the girl who sits behind me in physics from talking about my "curls" when she plays with my hair or my boyfriend from saying he likes my hair better "curly", or other random people from going "OMG it's soooo CURLY!". To the majority of people I know (in the stick straight until the textured trend of this year suburbs of Los Angeles) wavy= basically straight hair that isn't STICK straight and curly= any real texture.
I'm not going to argue. Sorry, but it's not worth the effort. Curlies and wavies face some of the same issues. We have common ground. Sometimes, one type is more difficult that the other, but for the most part, I think we're all in the same boat.
I feel like this is tricky because I am right in the middle. Straight and wavies look at me and call me a curly, curlies and kinkys look at me and call me a wavy. My hair has ranged from 2b in the childhood of brushing every morning to 3b when I quit hair brushes as an adolescent. I identify as a curly though because with the spring factor and written descriptions in Lorraine Massey's book I have most in common with Botticelli curl types. So I feel like I could be one of those girls calling herself curly w/ hair that's actually wavy or vice versa. But it's my hair so I think that I have the right to make my own call on what I want to label it and I think the same goes for every one.
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Although my hair isn't exactly the perfect definition of what curly hair should look like, I also don't think the term "wavy" also does my hair justice. People all around me compliment me on my "curls" and ask me if I perm my hair. My hair is BIG. It is messy, it is hard to take care of, and I've had nasty comments and actions done against me because I didn't have perfectly bone straight hair.

And let me be the first to tell you all something... It doesn't matter if you have wavy hair, or curly hair, or kinky hair... We all have ONE THING and ONE THING in common that puts us all together in this website for support: Our hair isn't straight. Our hair was made fun of, was made to feel ugly, was made to look "wrong" and therefore must be straightened out so that we can conform to society better, our hair was made out to be something evil instead of something to be celebrated. It doesn't matter if you have super soft 2A hair or very thick and strong 4C hair, or anywhere else in the middle of those two... we all have suffered for our entire lives because people put us down for our un-straight hair. We are in this together. So let's stop bashing each other, and instead, help each other out!

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Whirlyhair, you said that so well. I just can't think of anything to add.
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People call me curly all the time it's only on this site that we differentiate between Curly and Wavy
Originally Posted by DEL2C
Maybe that's because on this site we know there is a big difference between curly and wavy hair.

Wavy hair is a perfect S shape. Curly hair can be all over the place! There is a big difference in styling curls compared to the EASE of waves.

People with wavy hair just don't get it. And they do not have curly hair.
Hmmm...
Sometimes when people with 1c/2a hair say it's curly, it gets a little bit annoying, because one time someone with that hairtype said, "I HATE my curly hair!"

I am in the middle with 2b/2c/3a hair. I always call mine wavy/curly, but everyone else calls it curly or agrees with me about wavy/curly. Nobody has ever called it wavy for me. I think that people consider 2a/2b hair wavy, but once it gets to 2c it's considered curly.
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Although my hair isn't exactly the perfect definition of what curly hair should look like, I also don't think the term "wavy" also does my hair justice. People all around me compliment me on my "curls" and ask me if I perm my hair. My hair is BIG. It is messy, it is hard to take care of, and I've had nasty comments and actions done against me because I didn't have perfectly bone straight hair.

And let me be the first to tell you all something... It doesn't matter if you have wavy hair, or curly hair, or kinky hair... We all have ONE THING and ONE THING in common that puts us all together in this website for support: Our hair isn't straight. Our hair was made fun of, was made to feel ugly, was made to look "wrong" and therefore must be straightened out so that we can conform to society better, our hair was made out to be something evil instead of something to be celebrated. It doesn't matter if you have super soft 2A hair or very thick and strong 4C hair, or anywhere else in the middle of those two... we all have suffered for our entire lives because people put us down for our un-straight hair. We are in this together. So let's stop bashing each other, and instead, help each other out!
Originally Posted by whirlyhair
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People call me curly all the time it's only on this site that we differentiate between Curly and Wavy
Originally Posted by DEL2C
Maybe that's because on this site we know there is a big difference between curly and wavy hair.

Wavy hair is a perfect S shape. Curly hair can be all over the place! There is a big difference in styling curls compared to the EASE of waves.

People with wavy hair just don't get it. And they do not have curly hair.
Originally Posted by Kimlee

You're joking, right? I have everything from 2b waves to 3b ringlets on my head. The waves aren't any easier to deal with than the curls. They still require the right balance of protein and moisture they still frizz and tangle just as much, and they still do their own thing when the dew points get crazy. This is supposed to be a community that is brought together because we're all trying to embrace what we were given and to belittle an entire population of the members here is both rude and disrespectful. Maybe you should spend some time on the 2s forum to see just how "easy" wavies actually have it before you make assumptions which obviously have no basis in fact.

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I agree with Corrina. I have a combo of different curl patterns myself. My wavy bits take just as much tender loving care as my more curly bits. We are all curly girls (and guys) on this site. I personally do not think it matters so much about curl pattern here. Sure, it's nice to know what curl pattern you have, but curl pattern has nothing to do (mostly) with what kind of care your hair needs. I've seen a lot of wavies go through way more than I have with my hair. I've been lucky that my hair is agreeable to most of the things I use.

As for what the OP said, I don't think she ment to hate on wavies (I could be wrong, but it seems more like she was venting to me.). I can kinda relate to her and I understand what she is saying. For me, it's more of when straighties who end up with waves or crimps, or whatever, complain about having curls or the ones who straighten their already straight hair. I think the OP was just tired of people "not getting it" like we do here. I was always told I had kinky hair (honestly, if you've seen my pictures does it look kinky?), but I've never let it get to me. Sure it can become annoying over time, but no reason to start bashing people just because of how curly (or not curly) your hair is.

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I totally agree with Corrina, this is an awful, mean spirited, uneducated thread. My hair is wavy 2b/c and it is MOST DEFINITELY not easy. It lies flat when it is supposed to have volume and goes limp or curls weird and gets frizzy or tangly. Most days I feel like people with really curly hair have it WAY easier, but really our issues are just a little different. The grass is always greener.... Wavy hair is a total balancing act where even the slightest issue (weather, too much moisture or protein, etc.) can make for a horrible hair day. My hair is most definitely not straight, therefore it is often referred to as curly. WHATEVER! Who cares?! I'm certainly not going to say "ahem, excuse me, but it is WAVY, not CURLY". Unless they are on hair forums, most people don't know the difference. I thought this site was a place for everyone to come together and learn from each other, not a place to bash our fellow sisters (and brothers)!
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Well I think part of the problem with non-curlies claiming (or going on about) how "curly" their hair is, is when they do it in a negative way, such as the girl in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZboP...e_gdata_player

They say, "Wah, my hair is SO curly, it's horrible etc etc etc..." when it's barely wavy. I think it's the "my hair is SO curly" part that is irksome, if that makes any sense?
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People with wavy hair just don't get it. And they do not have curly hair.
Originally Posted by Kimlee
Wow, that's incredibly rude and insulting.
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