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lexie.stephe 04-27-2013 07:41 PM

Marine Corps is ruining my hair! Help!
 
I've been in the Marine Corps for about 4 years and the hair regulations are the strictest of all the branches. I have long, 2b hair, meaning that it must be kept slicked back in a tight bun 5-6 days a week. There can be no fly-always what so ever and I prefer to keep my hair up for 3 days at a time, minimizing the amount of times I wash my hair per week as much as possible (even 3 days is hard because my scalp starts to get itchy and my style messy). I sleep with a silk scarf around my hair at night in an attempt to retain my style (if it gets messed up I will be yelled at and have to do it over again). The hairspray, hair gels, amount of times I have to brush with a bristle brush in order to slick my hair back, and the tightness I wrap my daily chignon are all destroying my hair. It's falling out in clumps, brittle, and dry/ frizzy when I wash out my hair on the weekends. To a certain extent I can't help my situation, but is there anything I can do to help save my hair? I realize this isn't a "health" issue per se, but it might as well be.

rainboe 04-27-2013 08:23 PM

I guess since it's so dry and brittle, you could condition it more. Are you using a good leave in conditioner? Because hair spray can be drying and its a good idea to counter that with a heavy layer of moisture. Also, maybe bump up your wash schedule to every two days so your hair doesn't get itchy. also, maybe on your day off you could deep condition it and leave it down. I don't understand why your keeping it up all the time. Is it really hard to style it? Can you let it down at night and when you go to sleep? Maybe the constant pulling at your scalp from the bun is causing your hair to fall out.

LoveInBetween 04-27-2013 10:59 PM

What products are you using and how often do you condition?

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lexie.stephe 04-28-2013 11:50 AM

I workn12 hours a day and attend college in the evenings, so even though my hair only takes 30 minutes to style in the mornings, I tend to get lazy and opt to sleep in as much as possible. So maybe that's why my hair is falling out... Would it be ok to wash 5 times a week and would I need something stronger than a cowash to wash out all that product?
I use LUSH conditioners and have started to substitute some hair gel for Pantene split end treatment conditioner (not meant as a leave in but I do it anyways, thinking anything is better than gel). I'm very new to the informed curly community and am about to make some big changes to try and salvage what's left of my mop-- mainly deep conditioning on the weekends (good idea!) but I still have a lot to learn.

lexie.stephe 04-28-2013 11:52 AM

The only plus I can say I have going for me is that I never use straightening irons or hair dryers. I don't think id even have hair at this point if I did!

rainboe 04-28-2013 05:17 PM

If your products have silicones in them (ingredients ending in -cone, -xane, or -conel) then you probably need to incorporate a shampoo with coco bentaine in it at least weekly. I can understand being lazy, but the constant pull on your scalp can be damaging. You can totally use a regular conditioner as a leave it; it's more moisturizing, and I do it too.

Firefox7275 05-08-2013 08:26 AM

I would take the style down whenever you don't have to wear it up, constant traction for three days at a time is never going to be good for hair or follicles. TBH I think that is worse that washing a little more often or any rub from your pillow, certainly I wrecked my hair wearing a 24/7 ponytail and I wasn't being as strict as you.

Avoid hairspray and anything with ingredients that build up like silicones or some of the polyquats, try gels/ cream-gels containing oils and/ or humectants, even make your own Ecostyler custard (see YouTube). Some products/ ingredients can be reactivated with just water when you need to tame flyaways. You could then conditioner only wash which would make washing less damaging and for many of us makes our hair less poufy/ frizzy and more manageable. Maybe switch to a Tangle Teezer brush instead of harsh bristles.

Consider different types of buns, different placements or different tools for of securing the hair if permitted - this will mean your hair is not stressed in the same place over and over again. Hair scroos/ spin pins are invisible and you need far fewer to get a secure result than you do with regular grips, bun nets again if allowed. The Long Hair Community has loads of ideas for gentler but secure up dos, and I am sure there have been threads from ladies in the forces.

You might also want to try some hydrolysed protein treatments followed by a deep condition - coconut oil is the best absorbed of all the oils, avocado is also good. My dry/ damaged/ porous hair is liking the combination of an oil and a sugar syrup (some use honey, both are humectants).

Yoshimi 05-08-2013 08:38 AM

Baring in mind how much damage you're currently doing, you might almost be better off straightening once a week to achieve the sleek look needed, then you could take it down off duty and cut out all of the drying products. As you're not going to get the enjoyment out of your curls anytime soon, I might even consider a blowout as an option.

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LoveInBetween 05-08-2013 09:42 AM

What damage?

Straightening would further damage her hair. Her hair isn't damaged, its just oppresseed from all the updos she has to wear. Not the best idea.. :/

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Yoshimi 05-08-2013 02:02 PM

Brittle hair falling out in clumps sounds pretty damaged to me, in 10 years of daily straightening my hair never fell out. Straightening once a week could do a lot less damage, when you consider that she would need to brush less and not pull it so tightly as well as cut down on product and take her hair down at night to relax.



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rainboe 05-08-2013 03:32 PM

I think because her hair is so dry, it would just straighten to be very frizzy and still hard to maintain. Like, my hair only has a good, straight finish when its generally healthy. Plus, then she wouldn't be able to wet or dampen it to form the bun. Even if she did choose to straighten it, it would be better to get it healthy first so she didn't cause a lot of damage. I don't think product use and brushing is that harmful, i think the pulling of the bun and lack of deep conditioning is. Also, it sounds like her scalp is oily and she would have to shower every few days. Besides, her hair is 2b. I don't think it'll be that unruly when she conditions it more.

Firefox7275 05-08-2013 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rainboe (Post 2168330)
I don't think product use and brushing is that harmful, i think the pulling of the bun and lack of deep conditioning is. Also, it sounds like her scalp is oily and she would have to shower every few days. Besides, her hair is 2b. I don't think it'll be that unruly when she conditions it more.

Tell that to my hair! Box dye absolutely did not help, but it was not the dye that caused all the breaks around my face nor the crop at the back exactly where the ponytail elastic sat. It was bad enough my hairdresser guessed I wore a pony the first time I went to her. I used to get breakage all through my ponytail when I went through a phase of finger combing and twirling it a lot, now I only get split ends in one tiny section ... and it's the patch that I still twirl the ends of.

I couldn't understand why my hair was so damaged, I really did not think I was that harsh on my hair until I started researching. Box dye I've been doing for many years before the mechanical damage really accumulated and have continued with it since going CG and stopping the mechanical damage. And I am just as lazy at consistent deep conditioning as I ever was, have always used a leave in tho I definitely use a better one now.

Komaza Care offer a detailed hair analysis that is apparently amazing, apparently they can actually pick out the mechanical damage from the microscope photos it can be just as obvious as chemical or heat damage. People have posted images over on LHCF if you are a member. There are also microscope images of different types of damage, including hairspray and mechanical, on Proctor & Gamble.

LoveInBetween 05-08-2013 05:24 PM

Or she could switch brushes, that helped me.

Boar bristle is pretty popular.

Straightening will In inhibit your curl pattern.



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Spider 05-08-2013 05:25 PM

Brittle and clumps could be health/ stress related. Remember hair is dead once it clears the scalp. Do you eat well? Enough protein? What about supplement like fish oil ?

LoveInBetween 05-08-2013 05:27 PM

I agree that it could be health related, your regime doesn't a sound that bad to me.

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rainboe 05-08-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Firefox7275 (Post 2168353)
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Originally Posted by rainboe (Post 2168330)
I don't think product use and brushing is that harmful, i think the pulling of the bun and lack of deep conditioning is. Also, it sounds like her scalp is oily and she would have to shower every few days. Besides, her hair is 2b. I don't think it'll be that unruly when she conditions it more.

Tell that to my hair! Box dye absolutely did not help, but it was not the dye that caused all the breaks around my face nor the crop at the back exactly where the ponytail elastic sat. It was bad enough my hairdresser guessed I wore a pony the first time I went to her. I used to get breakage all through my ponytail when I went through a phase of finger combing and twirling it a lot, now I only get split ends in one tiny section ... and it's the patch that I still twirl the ends of.

I couldn't understand why my hair was so damaged, I really did not think I was that harsh on my hair until I started researching. Box dye I've been doing for many years before the mechanical damage really accumulated and have continued with it since going CG and stopping the mechanical damage. And I am just as lazy at consistent deep conditioning as I ever was, have always used a leave in tho I definitely use a better one now.

Komaza Care offer a detailed hair analysis that is apparently amazing, apparently they can actually pick out the mechanical damage from the microscope photos it can be just as obvious as chemical or heat damage. People have posted images over on LHCF if you are a member. There are also microscope images of different types of damage, including hairspray and mechanical, on Proctor & Gamble.

I was saying that pulling it into a bun was damaging. I agree with you, and I advocated taking it down when she's off.

Firefox7275 05-09-2013 05:20 AM

I have read reports of damage and breakage from boar bristle brushes on hair and beauty forums, I am not convinced there is any science showing they are any better than any other low snag brush. The claims seem to come from companies selling the brushes, for example Kent claim "Natural boar bristle will never damage human hair as they are both made of the same protein."
Completely illogical, human hairs can damage one another through friction!

LoveInBetween 05-09-2013 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Firefox7275 (Post 2168455)
I have read reports of damage and breakage from boar bristle brushes on hair and beauty forums, I am not convinced there is any science showing they are any better than any other low snag brush. The claims seem to come from companies selling the brushes, for example Kent claim "Natural boar bristle will never damage human hair as they are both made of the same protein."
Completely illogical, human hairs can damage one another through friction!

So there's no way of avoiding damage. Even the act of putting water on your hair is damaging, but that's not the point. I never said boar bristles were "better", I suggested them because their bristles tend to be softer and are better at smoothing my hair when trying to achieve a sleek look. When I made the switch I found it to be less damaging and helped me reduce the amount of breakage. Damage is unavoidable no matter what you do to your hair, it's how you take care of it that matters.


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