Dry, tangly hair but can't not shampoo

Okay here's the scoop:
My hair is now dry enough to not need to be washed for several days, but if I skip a day, I get itchy and will get sores. I have always had this problem though some shampoos are better than others.

My hair now tangles very easily so I lose a lot every day to breakage. Due to months of breakage, it looks frizzy most of the time. I don't see any split ends.

I'm on thyroid medicine so that may be cause for the dryness as I've always had oily hair, but then I'm menopausal so that could be it too.

I rarely use heat all and am currently using Nexus Humectress. On weekends I'm using Nature's Gate Tea Tree.

I have tried a number of conditioners and a few other shampoos. I tried Wen and it smelled awesome and felt tingly good when using it. But even that did not stop the breakage or dryness. Not even their Almond deep moisture mask.

I do color my hair, often use oil (I like Rusk) or an anti-frizz product (I have several including biosilk and Nexus). These products cause acne and a rash on my shoulders.

I still have nice, thick hair but it's getting rather raggedy right now.

Any ideas?

Thanks.
Do you have a formal medical diagnosis for your scalp condition? A greasy scalp plus sores sounds more like seborrhoeic dermatitis, however be aware that more than one dermatological disorder can coexist. Without a formal diagnosis your self treatments could actually be doing as much harm as good.

If you have SD or acne any natural oils that are rich in oleic acid can aggravate the condition. If I have found the correct product Rusk looks to be heavy on the silicones, that won't be nourishing either your hair or your scalp, there is precious little of anything beneficial in there it's just a chemical soup. If these sort of products are causing a rash and acne I would be worried about how they are irritating your scalp.
"Dimethiconem Cyclopentasiloxane, Dimethiconol, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Fragrance(Parfum), Argania Spinosa Kernel Oil, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Crithmum Maritmum extract, Laminaria Digitata Extract, Yellow 11 (Cl 47000), Red 17 (Cl 26100), Hydroxyisohexyl 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde, Linalool."
Does your shampoo contain sulphate surfactants? These are drying and irritating for both skin and hair, they damage the skin barrier. There are often sulphate surfactants in permanent hair dye, tho a few brands are free.

There is a strong link between skin health and nutrition: what is your diet like? Appreciate you have certain limitations with the hypothyroidism but are you taking in the right balance of essential fatty acids, especially plenty of long chain omega-3s from oily fish? Is your diet anti inflammatory overall? There are a number of vitamin and mineral deficiencies associated with hypothyroidism, have you seen a registered dietician for that?
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 05-08-2013 at 07:45 AM.
I haven't asked my doctors in a long time. Never got an answer before.
Neither of the shampoos I use have sulphates. Which brands of hair color ar e free of it? Note that what few grays I have are color resistant. Sigh...

My diet is pretty good most of the time. I eat a lot of fruits and veges, get my omegas, etc. Most of the time, very limited processed garbage but occasionally I binge. Trying to stop that as it is wholly bad for my blood sugar as well as all the other health reasons to not eat garbage.

I also work for a food-based supplement company and may have access to the ones that you think good for this, at a good price. There are also staff nutritionists (yeah, free expert advice). I'll ask them.

I should also add the "frizz" is not cuticle damage but rather "curlies" that are visible because of all the breakage. My hair still has decent shine and body. I hate to add a flat or curling iron to my day just to make those less obvious.

Suggestions for a conditioner that wouldn't be high in Oleic acids that I could use instead of the silicone-based oils I've been trying that disagree with my skin?

I have had the "sores if I skip washing" issue since I was a teen and over the years have had less of a problem with sores, but definitely the maddening itch.

Thank you so much. Lori
I haven't asked my doctors in a long time. Never got an answer before.
Neither of the shampoos I use have sulphates. Which brands of hair color ar e free of it? Note that what few grays I have are color resistant. Sigh...

My diet is pretty good most of the time. I eat a lot of fruits and veges, get my omegas, etc. Most of the time, very limited processed garbage but occasionally I binge. Trying to stop that as it is wholly bad for my blood sugar as well as all the other health reasons to not eat garbage.

I also work for a food-based supplement company and may have access to the ones that you think good for this, at a good price. There are also staff nutritionists (yeah, free expert advice). I'll ask them.

I should also add the "frizz" is not cuticle damage but rather "curlies" that are visible because of all the breakage. My hair still has decent shine and body. I hate to add a flat or curling iron to my day just to make those less obvious.

Suggestions for a conditioner that wouldn't be high in Oleic acids that I could use instead of the silicone-based oils I've been trying that disagree with my skin?

I have had the "sores if I skip washing" issue since I was a teen and over the years have had less of a problem with sores, but definitely the maddening itch.

Thank you so much. Lori
Originally Posted by austinhoney
It is a devil trying to please hair and scalp at the same time I do feel for you, I have atopic eczema and contact dermatitis. Luckily dormant at present, thanks in large part to changing my haircare routine and losing the sulphate surfactants but I had a mild case of CD the other day.

I'm in the UK so perhaps not the most helpful on products but I will try. I use Garnier Nutrisse Radiant Blondes for colour and that is ammonia and sulphate free, just bought Garnier Nutrisse British Blondes (in error) and that is also sulphate free but contains silicones and ammonia so is not ideal. You might have different variants where you are but Nutrisse would be worth checking out the ingredients, it's quite a large range so hopefully you would find a product to suit. Certainly claim to work on greys, and do something to my 'silvers', they take up and hold the semi permanent dye I use after (pink-red) really well and hold it for many weeks but mine are probably only average resistance TBH.

When you say get your omegas you are taking in long chain omega-3s fro oily fish not omega-6s (unless GLA) yes? It's the balance that it critical not just the total amount, most of the omega-6s (except GLA) are pro inflammatory. Definitely speak to the in house nutritionists, ideal resource on your doorstep.

With respect if you have frizz and tangling you have cuticle damage, it just might not be evenly spread all over your head. Shine you will have if you are using silicones, that is what they do best and they are in virtually everything commercial these days. AFAIK loss of body/ curl tends to come with severe damage to the core protein structure of hair (esp. high heat or chemical damage) more than damage to the protective external layers (esp. mechanical damage).

Kinky Curly Knot Today is supposed to be amazing for slip and detangling and is virtually oil free, you also get great slip and detangling from products containing one of the behentrimoniums.
Kinky-Curly Knot Today - CurlMart
You might try a product that also contains coconut oil: research suggests it can reduce protein loss and porosity from damage including colour treating, and is low in oleic acid (rich in lauric acid which can diffuse across the cuticle). Some find the anti microbial properties of coconut oil beneficial in acne and SD, some do find it clogging so I would only get sample sizes.

Conditioners with a behentrimonium and coconut oil include Komaza Care coconut curl milk, Bee Mine Deja's hair milk and Afroveda coconut moisture milk. Thinking about it you could even e-mail Komaza Care and ask for recommendations from their ranges, they seem to be science oriented and I've heard positive things about their customer service. They actually offer detailed hair and scalp analysis (not suggesting you pay for this, just pick their brains!). I've only used a couple of their products but I do like them and they also get good reviews.
Komaza Care - The Complete Hair Solution

HTH.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 05-09-2013 at 04:28 PM.

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