Hypothryoid/Adrenal Fatigue: Armour and Cortef

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I went for my endo visit today. The woman probably thinks I'm a crunk for telling her that I'm concerned about my Synthroid being out whack based on my thinning hair and my TSH result (in that order!) But she was very nice and I think I will continue to go back to her regularly rather than letting PCP run the show anymore on my thyroid stuff. Since PCP sort of said Armour (sorry if misspelled) can be challenging to figure out the right dose and she blew off my comment about changing the timing of when I take Synthroid.

Endo did not bat an eye when I mentioned Armour. Just said that it's getting harder to find a reliable supply of it these days, but if I want to try it, she's in the game with me. For now, we are looking at possibly tweaking my Synthroid dose (my choice rather than switching to Armour at this point.)

She said that my last results may have put my TSH out of range because I switched time of day I'm taking Synthroid. My dose was stable for decades when I took it in the morning with my calcium and other supps. She said that my dose was prob already compensating for the calcium going down at the same time. So when I switched to taking one in the morning and the other at night in July, then had my blood checked in September, that may have been what showed up. So she took more blood today. Testing T4 free and TSH again. And while she was at it, I asked her to check my Vitamin D level since I can't get through a health magazine lately without mention of that. She also asked if I'd had a bone density scan yet. Since I haven't, that may be in my near future -- she didn't say it was, I'm just guessing on that.

So now I wait about a week for my new test results and I guess we'll take it from there. I think she said I would go down one dose/measurement (whatev it's called!) if we get similar TSH result.
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Is there any good reason why you switched your timing on the Synthroid? I've taken the same dose in the AM for years, but wait usually an hour or so before taking vitamins. No problem.
For me, yes, I switched for a good reason. I take all of my supplements at one time. It's easier for me that way. I don't want to be bothered with taking supplements at different times while I'm rushed in the morning because I know I will not be consistent and I will forget in my hurry. And since I take other medication before bed that doesn't adversely affect the Synthroid, I decided to switch.
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Technically thyroid medication should be taken in the morning (especially if you are using Cytomel or a dessicated thyroid supplement containing T3, since these are quite stimulating), and you should not take thyroid medication within 6 hours of taking iron or calcium (including in a multi vitamin, although of course a lower dose would have less effect). These minerals will block absorption of the thyroid hormones.

As for the vitamin D, where do you live and how much sun exposure do you get? I live on Vancouver Island and am pale so I hardly get any sun, so I take 4000-5000 IU of vitamin D per day.

Have your hemoglobin, ferritin, and iron percent saturation all been tested? From what I've read you often need to get your iron quite high in the range to combat hair loss.
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I've heard that they reformulated Armour in the past few years, and it doesn't work as well for many people anymore. I have a couple friends that were on it, and ended up dumping it for Syn/Cytomel.

I started taking Cytomel/Syn combo in January, and I really like that. Before that, none of my doctors would even let me try the T3. I have a completely removed thyroid, so I'm totally dependent on meds.

My hair has gotten curlier and curlier as I've gotten older, but I dunno if that's thyroid issues or something else.
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Technically thyroid medication should be taken in the morning (especially if you are using Cytomel or a dessicated thyroid supplement containing T3, since these are quite stimulating), and you should not take thyroid medication within 6 hours of taking iron or calcium (including in a multi vitamin, although of course a lower dose would have less effect). These minerals will block absorption of the thyroid hormones.

As for the vitamin D, where do you live and how much sun exposure do you get? I live on Vancouver Island and am pale so I hardly get any sun, so I take 4000-5000 IU of vitamin D per day.

Have your hemoglobin, ferritin, and iron percent saturation all been tested? From what I've read you often need to get your iron quite high in the range to combat hair loss.
Originally Posted by Tomorrow Never Knows
This has/is always been my problem. I take calcium,iron AND Prevacid! I would always miss my synthroid doses because of this so I started taking them together. Its the only way I can actually get it all in because I take my calcium throughout the day.....idk? Im going to have to rework all this out with my doc, although my recent bloodwork came back fine
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Levothyroxine is notorious for bringing down TSH (at times, excessively) without halting the symptons of hypothyroidism. There are several mechanisms by which only supplying T4 is not the optimal way to treat such a pathology. Mainstream medicine, especially endocrinology referring to the thyroid, is catching up very slowly and is very resilient. It wasn't until 2002 that they changed the accepted range of TSH to 0.5 - 3 (I may be a bit off on the lower end number as I am recalling from memory and it is late). Moreover, it was the AMERICAN society of endocrinologists who made this move, and elsewhere in the world the accepted range is up to 4.5 and even in some cases, 5.5!! This is way too high and IMO, a range over 2.5 should be treated.

Make sure that in every test you get tested:

- TSH
- Free T3
- Total T3
- Free T4
- Total T4
- Anti TPO (most important, especially in women over 40)
- Anti Tg

Also, take the T4 on empty stomach and avoid calcium products for 2 hours and iron, zinc and basically most mineral products for 4 hours. Caffeine should also be avoided until it is absorbed, which takes about 45 minutes on a full stomach (aprox. 10 mins on empty stomach, especially if it is from fizzy drinks). You might want to wake up half way through your sleep and take the pill so as to enhance your dietary schedule.

It is imperative to take the pill at a same time although infrequent miss-dosing will not result in dose-dumping due to the extremely long half-life (but it makes overdosing extremely dangerous too).

Take care.

Roy
Levothyroxine is notorious for bringing down TSH (at times, excessively) without halting the symptons of hypothyroidism. There are several mechanisms by which only supplying T4 is not the optimal way to treat such a pathology. Mainstream medicine, especially endocrinology referring to the thyroid, is catching up very slowly and is very resilient. It wasn't until 2002 that they changed the accepted range of TSH to 0.5 - 3 (I may be a bit off on the lower end number as I am recalling from memory and it is late). Moreover, it was the AMERICAN society of endocrinologists who made this move, and elsewhere in the world the accepted range is up to 4.5 and even in some cases, 5.5!! This is way too high and IMO, a range over 2.5 should be treated.

Make sure that in every test you get tested:

- TSH
- Free T3
- Total T3
- Free T4
- Total T4
- Anti TPO (most important, especially in women over 40)
- Anti Tg

Also, take the T4 on empty stomach and avoid calcium products for 2 hours and iron, zinc and basically most mineral products for 4 hours. Caffeine should also be avoided until it is absorbed, which takes about 45 minutes on a full stomach (aprox. 10 mins on empty stomach, especially if it is from fizzy drinks). You might want to wake up half way through your sleep and take the pill so as to enhance your dietary schedule.

It is imperative to take the pill at a same time although infrequent miss-dosing will not result in dose-dumping due to the extremely long half-life (but it makes overdosing extremely dangerous too).

Take care.

Roy
Originally Posted by Roy_Boy
Wow! Thanks for the information but if you don't mind me asking how do you know this stuff?
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You are so kind to help me! No, I don't have that info, but I am going to call the doctor to get that info by the end of the week.
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Levothyroxine is notorious for bringing down TSH (at times, excessively) without halting the symptons of hypothyroidism. There are several mechanisms by which only supplying T4 is not the optimal way to treat such a pathology. Mainstream medicine, especially endocrinology referring to the thyroid, is catching up very slowly and is very resilient. It wasn't until 2002 that they changed the accepted range of TSH to 0.5 - 3 (I may be a bit off on the lower end number as I am recalling from memory and it is late). Moreover, it was the AMERICAN society of endocrinologists who made this move, and elsewhere in the world the accepted range is up to 4.5 and even in some cases, 5.5!! This is way too high and IMO, a range over 2.5 should be treated.

Make sure that in every test you get tested:

- TSH
- Free T3
- Total T3
- Free T4
- Total T4
- Anti TPO (most important, especially in women over 40)
- Anti Tg

Also, take the T4 on empty stomach and avoid calcium products for 2 hours and iron, zinc and basically most mineral products for 4 hours. Caffeine should also be avoided until it is absorbed, which takes about 45 minutes on a full stomach (aprox. 10 mins on empty stomach, especially if it is from fizzy drinks). You might want to wake up half way through your sleep and take the pill so as to enhance your dietary schedule.

It is imperative to take the pill at a same time although infrequent miss-dosing will not result in dose-dumping due to the extremely long half-life (but it makes overdosing extremely dangerous too).

Take care.

Roy
Originally Posted by Roy_Boy
Wow! Thanks for the information but if you don't mind me asking how do you know this stuff?
Originally Posted by ms_clawed

Hi ms_clawed,

I have a background in endocrinology (but I am not a doctor) and I actually supervise, together with a doctor, several of my close acquaintiances.

Regarding your concern about taking all your supplements together, I would either:

- Do the wake up half-way through the night to take the pill

or

- Try to take it as far apart, even one hour will do. Just make sure to drink two glasses of water so you push the tablet faster into the intestine for it to be absorbed.

It is important to remember that both of these methods will yield a higher dose delivery, and in the case of taking the pill in the middle of the night, you may need to cut your dose by even 50% as your present pill regime will really be affecting how much levothyroxine you absorb.

Out of curiosity, what is your current dose?

Kind Regards,

Roy
Levothyroxine is notorious for bringing down TSH (at times, excessively) without halting the symptons of hypothyroidism. There are several mechanisms by which only supplying T4 is not the optimal way to treat such a pathology. Mainstream medicine, especially endocrinology referring to the thyroid, is catching up very slowly and is very resilient. It wasn't until 2002 that they changed the accepted range of TSH to 0.5 - 3 (I may be a bit off on the lower end number as I am recalling from memory and it is late). Moreover, it was the AMERICAN society of endocrinologists who made this move, and elsewhere in the world the accepted range is up to 4.5 and even in some cases, 5.5!! This is way too high and IMO, a range over 2.5 should be treated.

Make sure that in every test you get tested:

- TSH
- Free T3
- Total T3
- Free T4
- Total T4
- Anti TPO (most important, especially in women over 40)
- Anti Tg

Also, take the T4 on empty stomach and avoid calcium products for 2 hours and iron, zinc and basically most mineral products for 4 hours. Caffeine should also be avoided until it is absorbed, which takes about 45 minutes on a full stomach (aprox. 10 mins on empty stomach, especially if it is from fizzy drinks). You might want to wake up half way through your sleep and take the pill so as to enhance your dietary schedule.

It is imperative to take the pill at a same time although infrequent miss-dosing will not result in dose-dumping due to the extremely long half-life (but it makes overdosing extremely dangerous too).

Take care.

Roy
Originally Posted by Roy_Boy
Wow! Thanks for the information but if you don't mind me asking how do you know this stuff?
Originally Posted by ms_clawed

Hi ms_clawed,

I have a background in endocrinology (but I am not a doctor) and I actually supervise, together with a doctor, several of my close acquaintiances.

Regarding your concern about taking all your supplements together, I would either:

- Do the wake up half-way through the night to take the pill

or

- Try to take it as far apart, even one hour will do. Just make sure to drink two glasses of water so you push the tablet faster into the intestine for it to be absorbed.

It is important to remember that both of these methods will yield a higher dose delivery, and in the case of taking the pill in the middle of the night, you may need to cut your dose by even 50% as your present pill regime will really be affecting how much levothyroxine you absorb.

Out of curiosity, what is your current dose?

Kind Regards,

Roy
Originally Posted by Roy_Boy
150 mcg synthroid, I used to take it at 3am but I couldnt go back to sleep. I may have to start that again. Because I(supposed to) take ALL of those supps you mentioned throughout the day. I take iron, mag ox, vit. C and calcium. I end up skipping doses of various things because I don't know how/when to take everything(especially w/o feeling icky)
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Hi ms_clawed,

Your levothyroxine dose seems a bit high as it is over a full replacement dose thus I am not surprised if you experience insomnia. However, levothyroxine doesn't reach peak plasma levels until at least 4 hours hence you should not be experiencing acute insomnia from dosing in the middle of the night. Rather, the insomnia might come from the high dose of T4.

You might want to tell your doctor about your current supplement regime and how it can impair the absorption of the T4, and thus taking it at night-time can be a valid option. Maybe dropping the dose to 125 or 133 mcgs could alleviate the insomnia as even minute titration of this drug can have profound effects.

I dont know why you are taking so many supplements. Perhaps outline which you do take and at what times of the day and if it is being supervised by your doctor. I will kindly offer my advice if you want as it seems as though you have quite a heavy supplement regime and having a stable thyroid regime comes before having a supplement regime.

Kind regards,

Roy
Hi ms_clawed,

Your levothyroxine dose seems a bit high as it is over a full replacement dose thus I am not surprised if you experience insomnia. However, levothyroxine doesn't reach peak plasma levels until at least 4 hours hence you should not be experiencing acute insomnia from dosing in the middle of the night. Rather, the insomnia might come from the high dose of T4.

You might want to tell your doctor about your current supplement regime and how it can impair the absorption of the T4, and thus taking it at night-time can be a valid option. Maybe dropping the dose to 125 or 133 mcgs could alleviate the insomnia as even minute titration of this drug can have profound effects.

I dont know why you are taking so many supplements. Perhaps outline which you do take and at what times of the day and if it is being supervised by your doctor. I will kindly offer my advice if you want as it seems as though you have quite a heavy supplement regime and having a stable thyroid regime comes before having a supplement regime.

Kind regards,

Roy
Originally Posted by Roy_Boy
I know my dose is high I used take 125 but my levels were consistently low. So my endo up it, she'll probably reduce it now that my levels seems to be stable.

I am taking supplements because I also have hypocalcemia and I'm anemic(iron). So I take calcium supplements to supplemnt the cal my body doesn't make AND all the other supps to help my body absorb calcium..lol
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Hi ms_clawed,

Your levothyroxine dose seems a bit high as it is over a full replacement dose thus I am not surprised if you experience insomnia. However, levothyroxine doesn't reach peak plasma levels until at least 4 hours hence you should not be experiencing acute insomnia from dosing in the middle of the night. Rather, the insomnia might come from the high dose of T4.

You might want to tell your doctor about your current supplement regime and how it can impair the absorption of the T4, and thus taking it at night-time can be a valid option. Maybe dropping the dose to 125 or 133 mcgs could alleviate the insomnia as even minute titration of this drug can have profound effects.

I dont know why you are taking so many supplements. Perhaps outline which you do take and at what times of the day and if it is being supervised by your doctor. I will kindly offer my advice if you want as it seems as though you have quite a heavy supplement regime and having a stable thyroid regime comes before having a supplement regime.

Kind regards,

Roy
Originally Posted by Roy_Boy
So I take

Calcium Citrate +D 1800mg daily(taken in 3 doses @215mg 5pills daily)
Iron 65mg(1x dy)
Vitamin C 500mg(1x dy)
Mag Ox 400mg(1x dy)

in addition to all my other meds..lol

All are under Dr's supervision
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Hello everyone, I have been struggling with thyroid issues for a few years now and really and truly believe that i have something else going on.

about 5 years ago i started having dizzy spells (like i was drunk) followed by a hot, bright red face and horrible headaches. Around this time i also started getting hyperpigmentation. after a dreadful few years with a bad primary i finally found a new primary who said the dizzy spells were caused by migraines and checked my levels and said i also have an underactive thyroid. I went on all the meds and had terrible side effects from synthroid and levothroxin (couldn't sleep, jittery, grinding teeth, week long migraines etc...). He finally put me on armour (which works better --still have some of the side effects but...).
my main issue is that i feel something else is going on.
Here is a list of some of my issues:
sleeplessness but always tired
dizziness
irritable
hyperpigmentation
hair loss
grinding of teeth
back pain
very heavy periods and cramps
cold
get very red faced around 4:30 everyday
memory not what is used to be
feel very sluggish/tired
bruise very easily
when i get stressed i get sick and when i get sick....it lasts forever


does anyone have any suggestions? which tests should i ask for?

does any one know if adrenal issues can be caused by alpha-1 antitrypsin deficiency?

HELP?
Hello everyone, I have been struggling with thyroid issues for a few years now and really and truly believe that i have something else going on.

about 5 years ago i started having dizzy spells (like i was drunk) followed by a hot, bright red face and horrible headaches. Around this time i also started getting hyperpigmentation. after a dreadful few years with a bad primary i finally found a new primary who said the dizzy spells were caused by migraines and checked my levels and said i also have an underactive thyroid. I went on all the meds and had terrible side effects from synthroid and levothroxin (couldn't sleep, jittery, grinding teeth, week long migraines etc...). He finally put me on armour (which works better --still have some of the side effects but...).
my main issue is that i feel something else is going on.
Here is a list of some of my issues:
sleeplessness but always tired
dizziness
irritable
hyperpigmentation
hair loss
grinding of teeth
back pain
very heavy periods and cramps
cold
get very red faced around 4:30 everyday
memory not what is used to be
feel very sluggish/tired
bruise very easily
when i get stressed i get sick and when i get sick....it lasts forever


does anyone have any suggestions? which tests should i ask for?

does any one know if adrenal issues can be caused by alpha-1 antitrypsin deficiency?

HELP?
Originally Posted by connemara22
Sent you a message. I don't know if adrenal issues can be caused by A1AT. But, I do know that adrenal issues and thyroid issues (and any other autoimmune issues) are definitely related. But, you probably already know that. It seems as if you might have more than one thing going on. You definitely have some symptoms of thyroid problems still going on; which might suggest two things: (1) proper testing isn't being done even though good thyroid replacement meds are being prescribed (you need to have both) and (2) you're not being prescribed enough thyroid to alleviate your symptoms.

However, all your symptoms don't seem to be related to thyroid. They COULD be, simply because there are SO many symptoms of thyroid - and some are just not all that common.

What tests does your doc order to test your thyroid?

Here are the things I would attribute to thyroid:
sleeplessness but always tired
irritable
hair loss
very heavy periods and cramps
cold
memory not what is used to be
feel very sluggish/tired
when i get stressed i get sick and when i get sick....it lasts forever

That's a good portion of your symptoms. So, as I asked before, the question is: what tests are being done to measure your thyroid levels (and other important, related things)?

Hang in there. Although it really STINKS, it takes a while to get things back on track with thyroid when things are out of whack.
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For me, yes, I switched for a good reason. I take all of my supplements at one time. It's easier for me that way. I don't want to be bothered with taking supplements at different times while I'm rushed in the morning because I know I will not be consistent and I will forget in my hurry. And since I take other medication before bed that doesn't adversely affect the Synthroid, I decided to switch.
Originally Posted by Spiralli
I realize this is a year old posting but wondered if you did get your thyroid levels back in order and has it helped the hair loss. I am hypothyroid and my levels are good. My ferritin level is 50 (maybe that should be higher) but I'm still experiencing hair loss. I am questioning other meds I take also, but I know how thyroid levels can really affect everything.
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For me, yes, I switched for a good reason. I take all of my supplements at one time. It's easier for me that way. I don't want to be bothered with taking supplements at different times while I'm rushed in the morning because I know I will not be consistent and I will forget in my hurry. And since I take other medication before bed that doesn't adversely affect the Synthroid, I decided to switch.
Originally Posted by Spiralli
I realize this is a year old posting but wondered if you did get your thyroid levels back in order and has it helped the hair loss. I am hypothyroid and my levels are good. My ferritin level is 50 (maybe that should be higher) but I'm still experiencing hair loss. I am questioning other meds I take also, but I know how thyroid levels can really affect everything.
Originally Posted by KarenRB53
What type of thyroid are you taking? And what tests is your doctor ordering?
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