looking for a light, noncomedogenic, antihumectant leave-in without oils, butters

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Good morning all!

I'm a long time lurker. You all have been a wonderful resource as I've been learning how to take care of my hair!

I've been using TNRV (old formula) as my RO and LI as it didn't seem to weigh my hair down and my hair and skin didn't object to it, but I finally killed the bottle off. I have the new formulation, but the jury is still out on whether or not I like it as a leave in. Target has a $5 off $15 haircare coupon in this week's sale flyer, so I thought I'd poll you highly porous folks for possible options (I just love trying out new conditioners). I had thought to try TJ Nourish Spa, but it's now being made with dimethicone (back it goes!).

VO5 and Suave don't seem to do much for me as a leave-in (I love VO5 in general, Suave not so much). My finer-side-of-normal hair doesn't like things with oils in it - it really gets weighed down and matted looking - so sealing is a challenge. (My skin hates oils as well, that's another story - I've broken out with jojoba for example.) For some reason I can't get TJ TTT to work for me as a leave in since I love it as a cowash, although I really want it to work that way.

I'm looking for a [cheapish!] on-the-ground conditioner that is light enough not to weigh my hair down, isn't loaded with heavy oils or butters, doesn't contain humectants (or at least has them really low on the list; I have low dews here for months on end and right now I'm looking forward to whenever spring decides to arrive). Local to me are Target, Sally's, Whole Foods, Walmart and TJ. I am pretty much a drugstore kind of girl.

Nourish Spa was a dupe for what...? I'd be willing to look in to that.

Thanks for any insight you can give me - I know that highly porous folks tend to seal with oils, but that has always been a big no-go for me when I've tried it. KCKT is also a no-go; it has marshmallow root, and I know I break out in the worst way with that stuff.

Light, noncomedogenic, antihumectant leave-in without oils, butters: what a tall order!
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
You can't really have anti humectant without occlusives (oils, butters, waxes): the best you could is actively seek out cetyl esters which are waxy, L'Oreal/ Garnier use then a fair bit. No idea if they are known to be comedogenic tho.

Not all oils and butters are comedogenic by any means, the larger the fatty acid molecules the less comedogenic the oil/ butter. Penetrating oils and butters rich in lauric or oleic acid tend to be a problem. Interestingly the old Tresemme Naturals formula was rich in capric/ caprylic triglycerides which are very small fatty acids: without Googling my gut instinct would be this has the potential to be comedogenic. If that is do I wonder if you are scapegoating the wrong ingredient(s).

Jojoba is technically not an oil but a wax and the molecules are pretty large.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thanks, I appreciate your input!

It's mostly that oils and waxes weigh my hair down - anything Garnier I've tried has been really good at plastering my hair to my head in a matted, frizzy mess I have some naturally fluffy volume that I like to keep!

I was surprised that jojoba broke me out as well, but I've broken out just using hairspray before, so I'm pretty cautious now about what goes on or near my face. It took a while for me to clear up my adult acne, so I don't want to screw that up. So many hair products just don't agree with my skin, oh well.

I guess what I'm really looking for is a leave in that isn't rich in humectants or oils (not necessarily antihumectant per se, but certainly not a humectant). TNRV has been serving me pretty well, maybe I'm just barking up a tree that I shouldn't be, looking to try something new.
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
I have a hard time believing jojoba oil would break you out, but everybody's different. I use jojoba oil on my face all the time and never had any problems, I even use it to wash my face. I'd be more concerned it's something with your diet, especially since you have a hard time clearing your adult acne. I've come to find, through trial and error with my own diet, that things you put on your face don't necessarily break you out like you think. Some can, don't get me wrong.

How much oil did you put on your hair when you broke out? You don't need but a few drops, anything more than that and you'd be using way too much.

I think you will have a hard time finding a really quality product that isn't rich in humectants and/or oils. I was going to recommend Suave, since that's really the only good one that I know of. It's great as a RO, not sure about a LI - and you don't seem to like it as a LI. I was going to recommend Komaza Care Aloe My Hair Leave In as a leave in, but you say you don't like marshmallow root, and it's not a drugstore brand. I guess I'm not a huge help huh lol

If you don't mind using silicones, I really liked the Pantene Curl Perfection when I was avoiding oils.
2c-3a - coarse - normal-high porosity - high density - growing out to donate

NP/LP: KMF Whenever Conditioner/ YTCucs
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed DC / CJ Argan & Olive Oil, KCKT, YTBbs
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
OIL/STYLER: SM Elixir / KCCC
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo

Last edited by sixelamy; 03-26-2014 at 07:42 AM.
I know, my skin is pretty picky. I was using 1 drop of jojoba spread out over my hands to SOTC, and I experimented with about 1/4 tsp. in 1 1/2 c. FSG once, with the same results every time (and was eating the same things, etc.). Actually that's how I know about the marshmallow root - I once tried KCCC and broke out with that, then tried in in FSG because I thought there was something else in KCCC that I was reacting to - but it was the marshmallow root. That gave me horrible cystic acne - blah! But my hair loved it, go figure.

Oils, botanical extracts - what's a girl to do? It 's ok though, there are drugstore things that work fine for me, I love FSG, and somewhere along the line I want to believe I am saving money!

There's some salt component in the Suave that I think doesn't work well with my hair, although I admit that I haven't played with too many of theirs (I prefer VO5 and will have to revisit the Chamomile Tea - I got one good result with that this winter but haven't been able to duplicate it - but that could have as much to do with a gel I keep trying that isn't playing nicely with my hair).

I experimented for a week this winter with HEHH as a leave in, with decent results. I may return to that next winter with a betaine poo (I tried Yes to Cukes but my hair really didn't like that either, fortunately my hubby was game and used it up for me, LOL!). I am thinking of doing this again in high dews this summer, with a Giovanni poo. But for normal dews, I'm trying to stick with CG ingredients for the most part. I don't object to silicones as a rule since I know how to clean them off my hair, but I try to avoid the ones that build up.

Thanks for your insight!
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
jojoba oil straight is horrible on my face too. It broke me out like nobody's business. I tried to seal with it once too and I broke out all over my hair line. I have insanely picky skin too, so I feel your pain. Frustrates me to no end because it's the first thing everyone suggests because it's supposed to be non-comedeogenic. It's pretty easy to isolate though, as it comes as a single ingredient.
Grand Goobah Caedran, Aqueous Infusion of Demulcents, Order of the Curly Crusaders

Fia 2cFi, fine texture, med porosity CG 5-29-09 * My hair loves protein! Currently using : DermOrganics Shampoo and IHM, G2B Kinkier Mousse, Re:Coil VMM, Anything Spiral Solutions! MO Sealing. Coconut Oil Pre-Poo, once a month Hard Water shampoo. Avoiding Glycerin in finishing products.

jojoba oil straight is horrible on my face too. It broke me out like nobody's business. I tried to seal with it once too and I broke out all over my hair line. I have insanely picky skin too, so I feel your pain. Frustrates me to no end because it's the first thing everyone suggests because it's supposed to be non-comedeogenic. It's pretty easy to isolate though, as it comes as a single ingredient.
Originally Posted by goobernut
Jojoba oil is awful on my face, too. I get little bumps all over the place, and I have never had an acne problem in my life.
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2C/3A, fine, higher porosity.
I was going to suggest coconut oil but I can't do that knowing what it does to me. It gives me migraines & as a migraine sufferer that's not cool. But it may help your hair as well as your skin. What I love to hate about coconut oil is that it hydrates my skin better than any face cream I've used. After a week of using it on my face, my acne scars started to lighten & my eye baggies started to go down. I only had new acne form once I stopped using the coconut oil on my face. It also hydrates the hair well too. I can't allow it to touch my scalp because if it touches my scalp, I will get a migraine. I do better with it on my hair than my scalp.
You may want to try a water soluble silicone. Normally I wouldn't suggest a silicone even a water soluble one but silicones are sealing and they aren't oils or butters.

The other thing I could suggest is grapeseed oil. My hair doesn't normally need a sealer but I have used a couple of drops of grapeseed mixed in with my leave in if I'm using a product with a lot of humectants or if my hair needs some extra protection. Most oils break me out but I haven't had a problem with the grapeseed oil used like that.

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3a, fine, low/medium density, high porosity. Protein loving.

Lo poo: Nature's Gate Biotin Shampoo.
RO: Giovanni Smooth as Silk
LI: TN Nourishing Moisture, TN Radiant Volume
Styler: Garnier Fructis Curl Scrunch Gel with CNPF
PT: IAgirl's Gelatin PT
Haven't checked in on this in a while - it's nice to know I'm not alone in the oils/breakout category - thanks gals!

I do a little experimenting with bis-aminopropyldimethicone in a conditioner (I'll be on a camping vacation in a few weeks and this is probably all I'll do to it while I'm out there). It worked out ok for a week this past winter (and now that I have a lo-poo with betaine that I like I don't stress over such things as much anymore). Products with CG/ water soluble silicones are hit-and-miss with me, but it may have to do with the rest of the formulation. I have one gel I am ready to donate, it takes all the life out of my hair. Oh well.

This summer I'm actually skipping the leave in and things are going ok so far. But I am this close to trying grapeseed oil; can you just use the stuff you can cook with or do you need something more "cosmetic" in nature? If I can cook with it too it makes the purchase multi-purpose, LOL.
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
I don't know if this will help you or not, but I have been having serious good luck with Argan oil. I've been sealing with a drop or two of it. I've also used mineral oil as a sealer with no leave in (just a heavy rinse out).

I didn't think either of those things would work for me. I'd had such a horrible time with other oils that I wasn't going to bother with Argan. But then I found some cheap and was in a product junkie fit, so I bought it. I'm glad I did because it's been great for summer hair.

Well I hate oils except for my coconut oil pre-poo. Can't live without that.
Grand Goobah Caedran, Aqueous Infusion of Demulcents, Order of the Curly Crusaders

Fia 2cFi, fine texture, med porosity CG 5-29-09 * My hair loves protein! Currently using : DermOrganics Shampoo and IHM, G2B Kinkier Mousse, Re:Coil VMM, Anything Spiral Solutions! MO Sealing. Coconut Oil Pre-Poo, once a month Hard Water shampoo. Avoiding Glycerin in finishing products.

Update!

I'd given up on leave-ins this summer, I didn't like how they were making my hair feel.

So this week on a whim I left in some of my Ion Effective Care conditioner - and it is working for me like a charm. Who knew?

Crossing my fingers that it will still work as well in winter when traditionally folks don't seem to need as much protein, but so far mine eats it for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

And it doesn't make me break out, LOL - just sitting there all along on my tub.
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
So happy you found something to work for you...this summer has been rough!!! From all you've written, it sounds as though our strands are very similar...very fine and VERY porous with definitive protein needs. I've had great luck with a new product I recently purchased: Eco Curling Cocktail. I couldn't find it in my local Sally's, but I had a coupon so I ordered it online. It seems to have enough protein and other goodies that coax even wayward curls into spiralling!

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