DIYers - How much do you use?

I had my first Coppola treatment over 2 years ago.
I don't know how much she used, but my hair felt well coated when I left.
Since then, I've been doing my own and only use a little over an ounce. My hair is fine and chin length, so it covers well, but when I'm done, it never feels overly coated.
On the other hand, it only seems to last 4-6 weeks.
I decided to have it professionally done again, and she used 4 ozs!! I was really surprised. It felt pretty well coated afterwards and after washing it out, it's much smoother than when I do it. But, it's hard to flatiron it as well as a stylist, so I'm trying to decide if it's smoother because she used so much more, or if it was the flatironing. Also, I buy from ebay and I've often wondered if they dilute it when they put it in a generic bottle.
Can anyone else doing their own tell me how much they use? I will use more than an ounce next time, but 4 seems too much.
Hi Audeo,

I have had it professionally done three times and I have never actually seen how much was used by the stylist. I never saw them measure out the keratin, but instead take small amounts out of the bottle a few times during the treatment. 4 oz does seem like a lot though. I have hair just above my shoulders and when I did it myself, I used about 2 oz. I felt as though I was pretty generous without soaking the hair. I also bought 4 ounces from ebay and worried that it could be diluted. But, I had fumes when flatironing, so this kind of assured me that it was the real thing?? If you haven't read my review of my own treatment, check it out, as I could not of done the flatironing myself without the use of the comb I bought at sally's.
So, I think that 4 oz seems like a lot and maybe 1 oz is too little for your hair. Do you think you will try it again yourself?
3B dark brown shoulder length
Co-wash, Living Proof No frizz, Biolage Gel, Giovanni vitapro fusion leave in
Yes, I have that comb from Sally's. I wouldn't have done as well without it, and even though I've gotten better with the flatiron, I'm still not as good as a stylist. I've already done my own hair half a dozen times and will again. I never knew how much the stylist used before and a little over an ounce seemed like enough. Well, next time, I will try 2 oz. It will be interesting to see how long it lasts this time. But it was nice to have someone do it for me.
And my hair is about shoulder length. It never feels coated either. I'm too scared to buy it from ebay, so I'll buy next from folica.com. It's expensive, so I'm pretty cheap with the amount I use..lol...4 ounces is way too much, and how can you stand to walk around with the stiff head?

Also, do you DIYers follow the rule of no clipping or wrapping your hair at night? I don't and have never had an issue with my hair bending or retaining some odd shape. i feel as though that may have been the issue with original BKTS...
That's funny you mention the rule of no clips, etc. The first time I had it done, I followed all instructions closely as I was so afraid of ruining my hair. The last three times, I have tied my hair back at night (in a loose ponytail) and many times would put my sunglasses up on my head (the hair would then be held behind my ears) Never had a problem.
3B dark brown shoulder length
Co-wash, Living Proof No frizz, Biolage Gel, Giovanni vitapro fusion leave in
I use about 2 oz for a root-only app and 4 for full-head. I don't measure too closely, though, because the bottles last forever anyway. They'll probably "expire" before I get through either of my bottles, though there's no exp. date listed.

I don't put much stock in the "no clips" rule either. But then, I don't wear my hair straight ever, so I don't care about stick-straight results, but I always clip my hair up or put it in a ponytail to work out, without "incident."

Quite frankly, I think that once you have completed the flat ironing segment of the application process, I think the hair is in its final state. That's been my experience.

Baby fine, honey & caramel hilites, 4a/3c now 2b w/DIY BKT & LOVIN' it.
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I only wear my hair straight to do the application or for an occasional job interview...afterwards i def do put pins and clips in it to hold it back ( this heat is awful)...I've never had any issues whatsoever. I don't know where the BKT people came up with the idea that you can clip the hair for 3 days...
I just did mine at home and I'm not loving the results this time around...especially at my roots..my hair kind of looks like I have 1-2 inches of new growth then the curls are much much looser...what gives?...I don't quite use 2 ounces for my full head...Doing this treatment is sooo time consuming, but I guess I need to go in and do it again using perhaps more product? I have naturally 3c/4a curls...All in all my hair is not as soft as I'd like and my curls are frizzing without product..really annoying to have to still spend time in the morning. Thank God I have about 6 ounces of Coppolla left to finish, otherwise I'd be too pissed if I had paid to get this done and not loved the results!

Let this be a lesson to you girls who pay to have this done! If your stylist doesn't use enough product or do enough passes with the flat iron your results may not be what you'd like. You need a stylist who can adjust her technique based on your hair texture.
I'm not really able to visualize what is going on. Did you do a root-only or a full-head? The new growth is, of course, going to be curlier/frizzier than the previously BKT'd hair, so if you overlapped the keratin, the roots are going to be of a different curl pattern than the rest. This really hasn't been a problem for me because I pull my roots straight with my fingers while I diffuse dry. Sometimes I don't though, and it still isn't a problem. My problem is with volume at the roots because my hair is so fine to begin with, and now with the BKT, it has no body or weight to it at all.

It still takes longer than I would like to do my hair, esp as my hair nears my waist. I have to put lots of gel into my hair and then scrunch the curl back in, plop while I do my makeup, then diffuse dry. My 2nd-day hair is "frizzy," sometimes, I guess, but I like big hair, and it's a type of "frizzy" that I can deal with because the curls are so loose. I used some Karen's Body Beautiful So Silky in my hair the other day, knowing damn well that my hair hates stuff like that, but I love the smell soooo much, and my hair has been loose and frizzy ever since.

I always try to notify new BKT-ers that the resulting curl pattern can be somewhat unpredictable and uneven. For me, anything is better than my natural curls, so this is not a problem for me. Some of my ends are now straight and difficult to curl, and when my hair grows out another 4 inches, I'm lopping them off, but they really don't bother me.

So, I don't really know how to help because I'm not sure exactly what you did, and Coppola may be different than QOD. I always have to use product--lots--in my hair unless I straighten, which I never do because my facial features require big, wild hair! But that's pretty much how my hair has always been.

Baby fine, honey & caramel hilites, 4a/3c now 2b w/DIY BKT & LOVIN' it.
Cowash-V05 Extra Body
L'oreal EP Moisture-Rinse-out
JFLVM
BRHG mix w/
KCCC/KCKT (winter)
Clean-smelling-hair freak washes EOD; dry w/bowl diffuser
Cassia+henna+grays=Gold-red hilites
~That you don't share my experiences/opinions doesn't invalidate them
I wondered if it tasted like a hot dog. ~Phoenix
But maybe i didn't apply enough product or really give my roots enough passes. I get lazy. It's obviously better than my natural curls...UGH...what a nightmare, but still not quite what I want. I'll do another application in September focusing on the roots. I don't think this is new growth at my roots, because my hair isn't any longer, I just think my hair at my roots is more course and harder to take to the BKT. Now that I know this I will apply more product and be sure to flat iron my hair in tiny tiny sections.
LOL, I get lazy too. If my boyfriend didn't do the back of my head for me, I don't think I would make it. My head is fairly large, and I have to take really, really thin sections in order to get the results I want, so it takes on the order of 5 hours now to do just the roots.

I thought you were doing new growth. Are you taking small enough sections to flat iron? If your sections are too thick, the flat iron won't get all of the hair all the way down to the scalp. I take ridiculously thin sections, but I get great results this way. When I say thin sections, I mean after you've sectioned your hair into 3, 4, or 5 "groups," then begin ironing--each little section you pass your iron over--those sections need to be really thin for the best result. Overall, I section my hair into 5 groups. My bf does the back two sections, and I do the section across the top and the two on the sides. I flat iron the top up and away from the scalp for volume--I hate flat-top hair.

This sounds like it may be all or part of the problem because it won't affect the hair that is 1/2" or more away from the roots, depending upon how thick your sections are. The rest of your hair will show a good result, while your roots are still curly/frizzy. The thicker the section, the worse it will be. I hope this is making sense. I feel like I'm just rambling on now in hopes of clarification!

Baby fine, honey & caramel hilites, 4a/3c now 2b w/DIY BKT & LOVIN' it.
Cowash-V05 Extra Body
L'oreal EP Moisture-Rinse-out
JFLVM
BRHG mix w/
KCCC/KCKT (winter)
Clean-smelling-hair freak washes EOD; dry w/bowl diffuser
Cassia+henna+grays=Gold-red hilites
~That you don't share my experiences/opinions doesn't invalidate them
I wondered if it tasted like a hot dog. ~Phoenix
lol..I will def try again this weekend. Because me no likey my results! If you lived in NY we could totally do eachothers hair! lol...Do you do this near a window? The fumes make me lazy too, I want to hurry up and get to the flat ironing part so I don't have to deal with the fumes. Also, when I run out of my coppolla, which at this rate may be soon because this will be take 3 ( my own fault, I was lazy with each application and did a sloppy job because it was hot as hell outside and I couldn't be bothered), from where should I purchase the QOD max? I want to have your results! I will probably make my fiance do my back sections too..ha!
lol..I will def try again this weekend. Because me no likey my results! If you lived in NY we could totally do eachothers hair! lol...Do you do this near a window? The fumes make me lazy too, I want to hurry up and get to the flat ironing part so I don't have to deal with the fumes. Also, when I run out of my coppolla, which at this rate may be soon because this will be take 3 ( my own fault, I was lazy with each application and did a sloppy job because it was hot as hell outside and I couldn't be bothered), from where should I purchase the QOD max? I want to have your results! I will probably make my fiance do my back sections too..ha!
Originally Posted by Hairguru17
That would be great--except that I'm in SF! And, my bf says he loves to help me with my hair, so he might not want anyone taking his job! But, I would *love* to do someone else's hair. I was thinking about starting my own little BKT biz here, but I just never did. I don't want random people coming to my house, and I don't know that I want to be stuck in other peoples' homes for 4-5 hours. Nor do I want to deal with dissatisfied customers.

The fumes don't make me lazy--I'd just rather be doing anything besides spending 5 hours on my hair! I don't get much in the way of fumes except during blow drying. The Gold seems to be less fume-y than Max. Gold seems to be absorbed better, but, again, the results aren't any better.

I can't remember the name of the seller I bought the Gold from. Just do a search for QOD Max. It was about $200 for a 33 oz bottle, and it will last you forever and ever.

Baby fine, honey & caramel hilites, 4a/3c now 2b w/DIY BKT & LOVIN' it.
Cowash-V05 Extra Body
L'oreal EP Moisture-Rinse-out
JFLVM
BRHG mix w/
KCCC/KCKT (winter)
Clean-smelling-hair freak washes EOD; dry w/bowl diffuser
Cassia+henna+grays=Gold-red hilites
~That you don't share my experiences/opinions doesn't invalidate them
I wondered if it tasted like a hot dog. ~Phoenix
I agree, I can't see myself spending 5 hours on my hair more than twice a year. Hopefully the products have a long shelf life thanks to the embalming fluid.
Lol@ Embalming fluid! No one refers to it as such but I guess that is what it is!

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