Suggestions for styling aides?

Hello,

I have a question for those of you who have gone through keratin treatments. I have had it twice and love the texture result. My issue now is it's so flat even with less product. If I try to curl it, it goes stick straight again. Any product suggestions, gel or mousse and techniques would be great. Trying to avoid all sodium products. I am using the keratin shampoo and conditioner by Coppola.

Thanks,

Terrapins
Most of us get the treatment to loosen our curl and eliminate frizz. Personally, I only straighten my hair when I do the treatment. Otherwise, I wear it curly. I only use Moroccan oil as my leave when I occasionally flat iron. I use my flat iron to create loose curls without a problem. If I need a little bit of hold I use Shea Moisture hold and shine Moisture mist. This stuff offers a light hold with awesome ingredients. It's $10 at target and sodium chloride free.
I use biolage gel and moroccan oil. I found that the Coppola shampoo and condish were too heavy for my hair any left it feeling weighed down and way too flat on top. Have you ever tried another type of shampoo that is safe for use with BKT? I'm just wondering if the Coppola is causing it to be too flat.
3B dark brown shoulder length
Co-wash, Living Proof No frizz, Biolage Gel, Giovanni vitapro fusion leave in
Hi Hairguru 17,

Thanks for your response! I am trying to create some waves and body but it doesn't last but a few minutes. I have been using Neutrogena gel but also the keratin replenisher as I was nearing month 4. That and the shampoo are probably weighing it down. But it's been three times so I think maybe the cumulative effect is working against me.

I just had the Coppola done again today and I am in the 72 hours waiting period or "stick straight" period. It's funny, cause when I was getting my hair done, a lady in her mid to late 60's came in with the same dilema. Also, with Coppola, as your hair grows you get that terrible frizz in the the regrowth area. Sometimes, the roots poke up and create these little annoying bumps. I use to use Morracan oil as a leave in cond. when I wore curly which I loved but my hair has become frizzy with age or damage, not sure which. I am am a 3b/c. Which keratin line do you use?

Thanks for your feedback Morningstar. I got like 4 inches cut off and tons of layers, so I am hoping that will help. I don't miss the frizz of being curly and the poof, but don't like stick straight, no body hair either. Which shampoos/ conditioners do you use and which keratin line?

Terrapins
I actually redid my BKT on friday and am also in the 72 hr waiting period. I used the Coppolla, not because I wanted to, but because I purchased an 8 ounce bottle for a lot of money and i need to finish it. This is actually my third time trying to BKT my hair with this stuff, and this time I made sure to use tiny tiny sections when flat ironing. I also used 3 full ounces, so my hair is pretty coated, but it's OKAY! lol...I really want it to take. I had a horrible time with the frizz at my roots too, but I think it was just the BKT wearing off, not new growth because my hair isn't any longer. I'm not sure that my roots were extra frizzy. Maybe we're aren't accustomed to seeing our hair as it naturally is, against the smooth BKT, because I had the same problem with another brand of BKT I used before I did my own Coppolla. Okay, back to you. How long does your BKT last before the roots start getting frizzy? What shampoo and conditioner are you using. Also, Are you trying to wear your hair straight? Or are you just washing and going? The more you do the BKT less body you will have, so doing it again may eliminate the frizz you had at the roots, but it won't give you more of the body you want.

Have you tried Jane Carter's condition and sculpt? It says on the bottle "For taming curls and frizz and for wet looks". Also, "Kinky Curly" spiral spritz. Now, both of these have some citric acid in it, which for some reason always worries me as a potential BKT remover. Citric Acid, I've read can be used to remove color, wax, and other harsher chemicals, so I can only imagine that it has the potential to remove a BKT. The citric acid isn't a top ingredient, so who knows, it may be okay.
Hair guru,

Do you think I should wash tomorrow so it's not so flat? 72 hours is Tues. I have fine but thick 2c/3 hair. I read somewhere that some people wash early to get body but only for a repeat treatment. I think I will try to do myself next time and maybe can get away with just doing roots. My stylist says you can't do just the roots cause of the ironing but I don't see why not. The sytlist put extra on new growth area, so maybe it will last longer.

Do you know the name of the comb that Sally's sells for this process? How long did it take you to DIY? You did it over two sessions? Did you have help?

I am using Coppola shampoo and cond. Also use "well water" sulfate free shampoo and Paul Mitchell cond. Liek Aveada mask cond. too. I may try Burt Bee's like Aphro Diva, funny, I use that for my kids cause it's almost all organic.

I would like to wear my hear wav or curly naturally, but all I get is slightly wavy hair or frizz (as it wears out) or plain straight.

I have never used spritz but have used lemon juice with chamoille tea to lighten my hair after a way too dark dye job a few months back. I know that didn't help the keratin at all. But it worked to lighten it to a dark blonde vs. dark brown.

Thanks for your feedback!

Terrapins
I have no idea what will happen if you wash it out early. I really have advice for my own hair, not a professional and have never done it on any hair other than my own. Sorry!

Yes, you can totally just do the roots. You might put a little of the treatment on the rest of the hair to protect it from the heat, but when you do the roots, just do the 10 passes on the roots and then just one or two passes on the rest of the hair.


You're hair is probably coming out too straight for two reasons:

1. Too much product is being used
2. Too many passes with the flat iron

If you don't want it to come out as straight, you need to do only 5 passes with the iron and use maybe 1-2 ounces on your whole head. the more you use and the more passes with the flat iron the straighter your hair becomes.
I don't use the sally's comb to do it. Is this the comb you're talking about?

http://www.sallybeauty.com/Straighte...efault,pd.html

It took me 4 hrs to do.

What do you mean did i do it over 2 sessions?

I did not have help. All you're doing is flat ironing your hair. If you do that normally, then you can do this treatment.
I have no idea what will happen if you wash it out early. I really have advice for my own hair, not a professional and have never done it on any hair other than my own. Sorry!

Yes, you can totally just do the roots. You might put a little of the treatment on the rest of the hair to protect it from the heat, but when you do the roots, just do the 10 passes on the roots and then just one or two passes on the rest of the hair.


Your hair is probably coming out too straight for two reasons:

1. Too much product is being used
2. Too many passes with the flat iron

If you don't want it to come out as straight, you need to do only 5 passes with the iron and use maybe 1-2 ounces on your whole head. the more you use and the more passes with the flat iron the straighter your hair becomes.
I don't use the sally's comb to do it. Is this the comb you're talking about?

http://www.sallybeauty.com/Straighte...efault,pd.html

It took me 4 hrs to do.

What do you mean did i do it over 2 sessions?

I did not have help. All you're doing is flat ironing your hair. If you do that normally, then you can do this treatment.
Hair guru,

Thanks again, will try your suggestions. I thought you may have had to do some of your hair one day and the rest the next. My sytlist did about 5 passes but she kept the product on for at least a half hour before drying. The girl next to me was done in much less time. So it's super flat, stick straight, my head looks enormous to me!

Not sure about the comb. I read about it somewhere from another DIYer.

It's great you can wear your hair curly without the frizz. It looks great! I am thinking I will take your suggestion and try to do my roots next time and put just a little product on rest of hair. Sounds like 2 ounces should do it.

Let me know how it turns out. I will wash Tues. AM. Considering a couple options to alternate between using Coppola to add body. For shampoo and cond. I like Biologe as well, no sodium.

I am relieved to find that people do do this on their own and perhaps I can do every three and get better results. How often do you DIY?

Terrapins

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