coloring and bkt (plus a couple aftercare questions)

hello all! i have damaged 2b/c curls and i'm going to do the bkt at home. i ordered qod max, have neutrogina anti-residue for pre washing, a flat iron that gets up to 430 degrees, and some haircolor!

i know i'm supposed to color before the bkt, but how far before? does anyone?

also what shamp/condish's should i use to maintain BOTH my bkt and color (thata's darker than my natural, a dark blonde.)

thanksss <333
Naturally soft but dull, mixed porosity, doesn't like heavy protein, but does like heavy oil and butters.

Currently only use a sudsy shampoo 3x a week
Homemade oil blend
Kevin murphy motion lotion (need something else)
hello all! i have damaged 2b/c curls and i'm going to do the bkt at home. i ordered qod max, have neutrogina anti-residue for pre washing, a flat iron that gets up to 430 degrees, and some haircolor!

i know i'm supposed to color before the bkt, but how far before? does anyone?

also what shamp/condish's should i use to maintain BOTH my bkt and color (thata's darker than my natural, a dark blonde.)

thanksss <333
Originally Posted by grantswanson

According to the instructions on my QOD Max, You can apply the treatment right after coloring your hair. It will seal the color, making it last longer. And also it is said that the results will be better, since the treatment will be absorbed better on chemically treated hair.

The BKT will actually improve the health of color-treated/highlighted hair by conditioning the hair while sealing the cuticle for enhanced color, reduced frizz and radiant shine.

Hope this helped!! I just added some color to mine and I am doing the treatment in an hour...woohhoo!!!
Yep, yep...you can color right before you BKT, but you need to wait the 3 days you would normally wait before washing after any color process. So color, wait 3 days (or however long the stylist tells you to wait before washing), then wash and proceed with your BKT. I had triple highlights done to my hair 3 days before my very first BKT. No problem. That was back in November, and the color is still true. I had them redone back in January, but lifting color is so damaging to my baby fine hair, I have now switched to cassia/henna for color and am using my slowly graying hair to my advantage. No problem with the henna and BKT, BTW.

Baby fine, honey & caramel hilites, 4a/3c now 2b w/DIY BKT & LOVIN' it.
Cowash-V05 Extra Body
L'oreal EP Moisture-Rinse-out
JFLVM
BRHG mix w/
KCCC/KCKT (winter)
Clean-smelling-hair freak washes EOD; dry w/bowl diffuser
Cassia+henna+grays=Gold-red hilites
~That you don't share my experiences/opinions doesn't invalidate them
I wondered if it tasted like a hot dog. ~Phoenix
I also just redid my keratin after color. Had my hair stylist do my color on Friday and then did my keratin last night at home. I was really lazy last night and am hoping that it will take. I was going to wait until later in the week, but no one was at home last night - so I figured, well might as well do the keratin now. Kids and husband were gone for the night, so it seemed like a great time to do it - no one to bug me and see what I am doing, complain about smell, etc. So it was around 11pm when I had this great idea to do it. Of course I was wide awake when I started, then I got tired and then I got lazy!


I also triple washed my hair with the clarifying shampoo (I usually do two washes) and found that my hair was full of tangles and hard to even get my fingers through. Unfortunately I lost alot of hair during this process. Also, last time I did this at home, I was very meticulous and did extremely small sections of hair. This time my ball of hair was wild and impossible to comb, so I slapped on the keratin with my hands and tried to comb it through the sections. So, much bigger sections and not combed as precisely as it should be. Hmmm...not sure what I will end up with. The process also took one hour less than the last time. Now I am feeling like - "if you weren't going to do it right, you shouldn't do it at all!" I redid the flat iron this morning as that was not great either last night.

We will see soon - I am going to wash it out this afternoon (not going to even go 24 hours for this one). But, my color looks great!
3B dark brown shoulder length
Co-wash, Living Proof No frizz, Biolage Gel, Giovanni vitapro fusion leave in
While I love my AphroDiva, I have to disagree with something...nothing "repairs" the health of hair. Hair is not a biologically active tissue--it's not "dead," it's just not active. This means it cannot be "repaired." BKT can certainly improve the appearance of color-damaged hair, partly because it contains -cones--at least the QOD line does. But nothing will repair hair once it emerges from the follicle.

Remember that many/most/all? of these keratin products are manufactured out of the country, and they are not bound by the same guidelines as have been set forth here in the US; i.e.: QOD Gold leaves formaldehyde off its list of ingredients, but it's still in there. They claim it's just such a negligible amount that it doesn't need to be listed. Nice. Not that there's much truth in US advertising either. Just about everything here also claims to repair hair--not possible.

ETA: Oops...meant to say that hair is not metabolically active.

Baby fine, honey & caramel hilites, 4a/3c now 2b w/DIY BKT & LOVIN' it.
Cowash-V05 Extra Body
L'oreal EP Moisture-Rinse-out
JFLVM
BRHG mix w/
KCCC/KCKT (winter)
Clean-smelling-hair freak washes EOD; dry w/bowl diffuser
Cassia+henna+grays=Gold-red hilites
~That you don't share my experiences/opinions doesn't invalidate them
I wondered if it tasted like a hot dog. ~Phoenix

Last edited by ~Ghost Poster~; 08-10-2010 at 05:55 PM.
yeah, no repairing, just coating :/ OH WELL. ok, so i am going to try an aubrey organics shampoo for my aftercare routine, but what type of condish should i use? any ingredients besides sodium chloride and sulfates/surfactents i should avoid?
Naturally soft but dull, mixed porosity, doesn't like heavy protein, but does like heavy oil and butters.

Currently only use a sudsy shampoo 3x a week
Homemade oil blend
Kevin murphy motion lotion (need something else)
yeah, no repairing, just coating :/ OH WELL. ok, so i am going to try an aubrey organics shampoo for my aftercare routine, but what type of condish should i use? any ingredients besides sodium chloride and sulfates/surfactents i should avoid?
Originally Posted by grantswanson
Well, I'm still experimenting with potassium chloride, but I've twice now used a conditioner that contains PC as my cowash and my rinse out. My BKT seems to be intact so far. I avoid anything that has the word sodium in it at all--not just sodium chloride. Sulfates are less of a concern than sodium. I looked at Aubrey Organics today, but my hair won't tolerate all the oil that's in them. I also found that the Herbal Essences Hello Hydration that I've been using forever has been weighing down my hair with its abundance of cones and coconut oil, but if you want straight hair, this might be a good one for you--and it smells great. It's just not good for my fine, porous hair.

Baby fine, honey & caramel hilites, 4a/3c now 2b w/DIY BKT & LOVIN' it.
Cowash-V05 Extra Body
L'oreal EP Moisture-Rinse-out
JFLVM
BRHG mix w/
KCCC/KCKT (winter)
Clean-smelling-hair freak washes EOD; dry w/bowl diffuser
Cassia+henna+grays=Gold-red hilites
~That you don't share my experiences/opinions doesn't invalidate them
I wondered if it tasted like a hot dog. ~Phoenix
While I love my AphroDiva, I have to disagree with something...nothing "repairs" the health of hair. Hair is not a biologically active tissue--it's not "dead," it's just not active. This means it cannot be "repaired." BKT can certainly improve the appearance of color-damaged hair, partly because it contains -cones--at least the QOD line does. But nothing will repair hair once it emerges from the follicle.

Remember that many/most/all? of these keratin products are manufactured out of the country, and they are not bound by the same guidelines as have been set forth here in the US; i.e.: QOD Gold leaves formaldehyde off its list of ingredients, but it's still in there. They claim it's just such a negligible amount that it doesn't need to be listed. Nice. Not that there's much truth in US advertising either. Just about everything here also claims to repair hair--not possible.

ETA: Oops...meant to say that hair is not metabolically active.
Originally Posted by ~Ghost Poster~

Awwww.. I Love you too my dear Ghost Poster! And you are 100% right, nothing repairs the already damaged hair, just makes it look healthy. LOL...but I guess I call that "repair" (just like those hair product marketers on TV). Now, my new hair is growing faaaabulous!!!!!! And fast, allowing me to trim every damage part of my hair, little by little.. hehehehe!

O.K, I did the treatment over my fresh hair color...I LOVE IT!!!!!

24 hours later it rained on me so bad, soaking wet! Rushed home to the hair drier. Do you think it messed my treatment up? It still feels coated when I rub my hands over it.
SCARY. i just colored my hair!! i have the qod max in my bed room!! i'm so excited!!~ i'm also taking an umbrella everywhere i go. should i avoid humidity for the three/four days i leave it in?
Naturally soft but dull, mixed porosity, doesn't like heavy protein, but does like heavy oil and butters.

Currently only use a sudsy shampoo 3x a week
Homemade oil blend
Kevin murphy motion lotion (need something else)

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