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DimePiece17 08-11-2010 07:54 AM

BKTs and Sodium
 
I seem to wrestling with this issue:

I know for a fact that my BKTs began fading after using * all natural* products that contained salt:

Shea Moisture Deep Moisture mask and Giovanni Tea Tree Shampoo

But here's my issue: I'm noticing that even BKT and BB products contain OTHER forms of sodium. Could/Would the manufacturers of these products put these shampoos and conditioners on the market if they really DID strip your BKT/BB??

For instance:

I looked up the ingredients in Copolla's color care shampoo and they are as follows:

ingredients
Water/Aqua/Eau, Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate, Sodium C14-16 Olefin Sulfonate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sodium Cocoamphoacetate, Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate, Rice Oil Glycereth-8 Esters, Glycol Distearate, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Hydrolyzed Soy protein, Hydrolyzed

I also went out and purchased the BB aftercare products about 5-6 weeks ago, even though I don't have a BB, but stopped using them when I read the ingredients in the shampoo contains the following ingredients:

Disodium Laureth, Sodium lauryl sukfoacetate, sodium cocylesthionate,

The BB deep conditioning mask and leave in serum contain: Sodium PCA/Sodium Lactate

Any insight?

BKT 08-11-2010 09:55 AM

Basicly you should avoid the use of salt on your hair. Sodium Clorhyde is the ingredient that helps to wash the treatment out. Other types of sodium, do not affect the treatment.

~Ghost Poster~ 08-12-2010 12:49 AM

It's actually sodium chloride--table salt--but I suspect Hairguru already knows that.

I had this exact same question when I started out. I posed it on the non-hair board to some members with chemistry backgrounds, in addition to using my own limited chemical knowledge from college. Unfortunately, the two opinions were different. The "chemist" said: If it says to avoid sodium chloride, then just avoid sodium chloride." Well, I already knew that "sodium + something else" does not necessarily = "salt" and doesn't have the same chemical properties as sodium chloride, but I still wasn't convinced. So, I decided to err on the side of caution and avoid anything containing the word sodium.

I'm still experimenting with potassium chloride, as it is chemically similar and is even used in many of the same applications as sodium chloride. So far, so good, though.

I'm starting to wonder if the cumulative effects of BKT truly "wash" or "wear" out of your hair. It's been almost 6 months since my last full-head, and my curls are showing no sign of reverting. I've washed my hair with a clarifying shampoo every month since then for root applications. I wonder if you do it as frequently as I do, it affects the hair permanently, which would be totally fine with me!

Anyway, sorry I don't have anything more definitive; maybe someone else will.

DimePiece17 08-12-2010 10:16 AM

I think it depends on the treatment
 
Coppola is DEF wash and wear...that junk wears off really quickly. The stronger treatment my stylist used in my hair called Donna Bella Perla is still hanging strong...the bkt's I've done on top of my Donna Bella w/coppolla wear off...but the Donna Bella Perla Hair is still hanging in there and I did it back in early June. My roots, even after several applications of the Coppolla are still a much tigher curl than the rest of my DBP BKT...weird...

Also, you use QOD max/gold, right? How strong are the fumes?

~Ghost Poster~ 08-12-2010 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hairguru17 (Post 1440806)
Coppola is DEF wash and wear...that junk wears off really quickly. The stronger treatment my stylist used in my hair called Donna Bella Perla is still hanging strong...the bkt's I've done on top of my Donna Bella w/coppolla wear off...but the Donna Bella Perla Hair is still hanging in there and I did it back in early June. My roots, even after several applications of the Coppolla are still a much tigher curl than the rest of my DBP BKT...weird...

Also, you use QOD max/gold, right? How strong are the fumes?

Yes, Max for the full-heads and most of the root apps, then Gold for the last 3 root apps. I still believe that Max is just as effective as Gold. I don't have a point of reference for the fume strength, but I don't even use a fan when I do my roots...just the overhead bathroom fan and open the bathroom window. When I do the full head, I use a big floor fan and direct it at across my face during the blow drying segment. They can make my eyes burn somewhat fiercely if I aim the blow dryer the wrong way, but not badly enough that would ever discourage me from doing the BKT. But, hey...apparently I'm willing to risk cancer to have manageable hair...that should show you the level of my commitment...or the depth of my crazy! :shaking:

AphroDiva 08-14-2010 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Ghost Poster~ (Post 1441316)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hairguru17 (Post 1440806)
Coppola is DEF wash and wear...that junk wears off really quickly. The stronger treatment my stylist used in my hair called Donna Bella Perla is still hanging strong...the bkt's I've done on top of my Donna Bella w/coppolla wear off...but the Donna Bella Perla Hair is still hanging in there and I did it back in early June. My roots, even after several applications of the Coppolla are still a much tigher curl than the rest of my DBP BKT...weird...

Also, you use QOD max/gold, right? How strong are the fumes?

Yes, Max for the full-heads and most of the root apps, then Gold for the last 3 root apps. I still believe that Max is just as effective as Gold. I don't have a point of reference for the fume strength, but I don't even use a fan when I do my roots...just the overhead bathroom fan and open the bathroom window. When I do the full head, I use a big floor fan and direct it at across my face during the blow drying segment. They can make my eyes burn somewhat fiercely if I aim the blow dryer the wrong way, but not badly enough that would ever discourage me from doing the BKT. But, hey...apparently I'm willing to risk cancer to have manageable hair...that should show you the level of my commitment...or the depth of my crazy! :shaking:


I do it with a fan and window open, and same as Ghost Poster. Fumes will bother my eyes if I aim the blow dryer the wrong way....and about the risk of cancer? Hey! At least I die happy and knowing what it is to have wonderful hair...or I am in the crazy boat as well.:bounce:

pixie2 08-19-2010 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Ghost Poster~ (Post 1440578)
It's actually sodium chloride--table salt--but I suspect Hairguru already knows that.

I had this exact same question when I started out. I posed it on the non-hair board to some members with chemistry backgrounds, in addition to using my own limited chemical knowledge from college. Unfortunately, the two opinions were different. The "chemist" said: If it says to avoid sodium chloride, then just avoid sodium chloride." Well, I already knew that "sodium + something else" does not necessarily = "salt" and doesn't have the same chemical properties as sodium chloride, but I still wasn't convinced. So, I decided to err on the side of caution and avoid anything containing the word sodium.

I'm still experimenting with potassium chloride, as it is chemically similar and is even used in many of the same applications as sodium chloride. So far, so good, though.

I'm starting to wonder if the cumulative effects of BKT truly "wash" or "wear" out of your hair. It's been almost 6 months since my last full-head, and my curls are showing no sign of reverting. I've washed my hair with a clarifying shampoo every month since then for root applications. I wonder if you do it as frequently as I do, it affects the hair permanently, which would be totally fine with me!

Anyway, sorry I don't have anything more definitive; maybe someone else will.

Thanks for this! I was really torn between avoiding all sodiums or just sodium chloride.


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