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Old 06-28-2011, 03:53 PM   #1
 
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Default Fine-texture, low porosity & protein!

Hi all! I have a question for those of you with fine, low porosity hair: where does protein fit into your regimen?

Most of my hair is very fine and very low porosity, and while it needs a lot of moisture, it also tends to look a little deflated if I use too much at once or use the wrong kind, like most finer curlies. However, lately whenever I use products with protein in them (specifically the CJ BC strengthening conditioner, so maybe it's a keratin issue) my hair will curl back up a lot in front and on the sides but the back will get stiff and straight-looking. It also feels drier overall, so I end up overcompensating on the moisture to try to revive it, yadda yadda yadda. It's an annoying, self-perpetuating cycle.

I saw a curlychemist article that mentioned protein buildup being a problem for finer-haired LP people, but is that necessarily the case? I know some of you ladies PT and use protein-y products, so I guess what I'm wondering is whether the protein-moisture balance is different for us than for other fine or low-porosity curlies or if it's a completely individual thing. Also, for those of you who do use protein, which products do you like and how do you use them? Please advise!
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Old 06-29-2011, 06:10 AM   #2
 
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I do at least one PT a week. Either use CJ Repair Me or SS Protein Repair for my first PT of the week (neither of which requires a DT for me.) If I do a second PT, I use Elucence Moisture Repair or last week did IAgirl's treatment with gelatin. I also use a lot of products with protein on a daily basis. Frequently use the SS protein spray and lots of products with protein. My hair never met a protein it didn't like and I have yet to overload on protein. It's possible your crown/canopy didn't like the particular protein, as you mentioned, or didn't need it. You could try using less back there or switch to a different conditioner with protein???

The caveat to this is that the products I generally use are VERY rich. I use them in minute amounts because I don't have a lot of hair. I wet, rinse out and style every day, rotating products. In the winter, I use a leave in AND curl enhancer followed by a jelly product (no polyquats for me.) When the dewpoints get really high, it's a leave in OR curl enhancer followed by the jelly product.
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Thanks Kathy, that's really helpful. Yeah, I'm thinking keratin is a bust for me, since I'm using the Daily Fix with no obvious issues and haven't noticed a protein sensitivity in the past. I've got some Oyin Honey Hemp (silk protein) on my bathroom counter waiting to be tested, so we'll see how it goes - maybe I just need to stick to the plant- and bug-derived stuff.

I'm really really curious about your regimen, actually! Normally I have issues with richer products, but our hair properties are very similar, so, hmmmmm. I may have to order some more samples from you soon! (Wait, did I just guano my own thread? LOL!)
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What is it that you need to know??
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Old 06-30-2011, 08:56 AM   #5
 
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Oh, nothing specific - sorry, I should've been clearer. I think I get what you're doing with your products; I'm just curious about what my hair would do if I tried something similar, since it seems to be preferring the few richer products I have in my (admittedly small!) arsenal right now. Of course, that could all change tomorrow, but you know! Just when you think you have everything figured out...
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Old 09-19-2011, 07:07 PM   #6
 
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Hi all! I have a question for those of you with fine, low porosity hair: where does protein fit into your regimen?

Most of my hair is very fine and very low porosity, and while it needs a lot of moisture, it also tends to look a little deflated if I use too much at once or use the wrong kind, like most finer curlies. However, lately whenever I use products with protein in them (specifically the CJ BC strengthening conditioner, so maybe it's a keratin issue) my hair will curl back up a lot in front and on the sides but the back will get stiff and straight-looking. It also feels drier overall, so I end up overcompensating on the moisture to try to revive it, yadda yadda yadda. It's an annoying, self-perpetuating cycle.

I saw a curlychemist article that mentioned protein buildup being a problem for finer-haired LP people, but is that necessarily the case? I know some of you ladies PT and use protein-y products, so I guess what I'm wondering is whether the protein-moisture balance is different for us than for other fine or low-porosity curlies or if it's a completely individual thing. Also, for those of you who do use protein, which products do you like and how do you use them? Please advise!
I have very fine, low-porosity, protein loving hair.
Protein fits into my weekly routine on a daily basis. Lately and for the first time, however, my hair has become kinda straw-like and knotty, and I'm losing A LOT of it in the shower everyday. Not sure it's because of all the protein I use because my curls are still 'popping' up nicely when I use protein.

My protein products are as follows: I use a shampoo with protein and keratin, most of my COs have proteins, I use Generic Joico K-Pak 1x a week or so, and I use Abba leave-in, which contains coconut oil (it isn't a protein, but it helps hold in proteins). I freshen my curls with water and Beyond the Zone Noodle Head spray, which has proteins. My gel (HESMU) probably has protein in it too.
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