Damp or Soaking Wet

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So I recently read this article on NC.com Applying Products to Low Porosity Hair

The article mentions that low porosity hair types ought to apply product to damp hair. It also mentions that when the product is laying on top of the hair in "white foamy" spots you ought to run your fingers down the strands of hair to remove the excess product.

Normally, I apply my products to soaking wet hair and just scrunch with my hands and then a curls like us cloth, ( I do get a white foam on top). The white foam bothers me at first, but I don't have any white spots when my hair dries. I think the scrunching removes the excess product for me.

So to get to the point, I was wondering how many people with low porosity hair apply product to damp hair, and also, how you remove a the white foam (if you have any)?

I really like how my hair turns out, but I am wondering if I am missing out on something.
3a/3b, Fine Hair, Low porosity, Medium Density
Poo- CHS Treatment Shampoo
Low-poo- Devacurl Low Poo
RO- Devacurl One Condition
Leave-In- KCKT/Curl Junkie Smoothing Lotion
I get the white foam too! I thought something was wrong with me at first LOL. I also scrunch my hair when it's foamy, first with my hands then with an old t-shirt. IMHO, running your fingers down the strands or scrunching with a towel/shirt would both remove the excess product. It's just different methods achieving the same result.

I've actually been experimenting with the soaking wet/damp hair thing for a few weeks. What's working best for me is to apply products to soaking wet hair on my wash/co-wash days and damp for 2nd day hair.

In my not-so-scientific-experiments, I've noticed when applying products to soaking wet hair, I get a stronger curl pattern with nice clumps. If I wait until it's damp, my curls tend to straighten easily and I can't get my hair to clump, it looks stringy. I also feel like I use more product when applying it to damp hair vs soaking wet hair.

If I've already got a good "base", I can easily pull off 2nd day hair by dampening and adding a little curl cream to revive it. I'm going to keep experimenting, because I'm still trying to find a routine. I'm interested in how other LP's add products, too!


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That article is the writer's opinion. It's obvious from the comments, that others don't agree, either.

I, as the two of you, apply product to soaking wet hair. It works better for me then applying product to damp hair. I get frizz if I apply to damp hair. You can always try applying to damp hair, but in the long run--you have to do what works for you.

I occasionally get the white foam, it's only with certain products. It's good to know that others get it, too. And maybe the reason why.

My hair doesn't care for baking soda, even when I reduced it to 1/4 T for the cherryloa treatment that's discussed in the article. I also didn't like the way my hair smelled after using that treatment--teriyaki sauce and sour milk. BTW, I think the alkaline effect is why some low porosity folks like using soap/shampoo bars for cleansing (better than others.)
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Me too! I can only apply product to soaking wet hair and I also get white foam sometimes. I just soak it up with tshirt or microfiber towel.
3a/b, fine texture, low porosity, normal elasticity, mod-CG 7/11/11

Poo: KC Come Clean, SM Moisture Retention
CO: CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Renpure Argan Oil, YTCucumbers, Sevi Pumpkin
Style: AIF, HESMU, Biolage gelee, KCCC
LOOB for second day hair


Like BS/ACV rinses, limit protein/humectants.
I have to apply product to wet hair too. Not super, super drippy hair (like I just came out of a pool) but decently saturated. If I don't it's frizz city since my curls will start to separate.
CG Birthday: 7/25/11
Type 3a/2c
Dense, Fine in front Coarse in back, Low porosity
Low-Poo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
Rinse Out: Tresemme Naturals
Leave In: ^^^^
Stylers: AIF, Natural Silks Curly Gel
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soaking wet for me, too. recently i stopped plopping or using anything to dry my hair but the wind. i do squeeze out any excess water or product while in the shower to reduce the drippies.

i'm still experimenting with this whole product application and my low porosity hair. specifically with layering products. do you apply all your products at once (i.e. leave-in, styler, finisher) or do you wait a few minutes to let each one soak in first before adding the next?
Very wet for me, too
2C/3A/3B - mod. CG, med. to fine, normal to low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated, GTTT or Aim2Health 'poos as scalp needs, YTCarrots or Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein Trtmt & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite, KCCC, AO Mandarin Magic, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing then clips or clamps & air dry. Blend gray w/henna glosses

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I get the white foamy stuff sometimes too, especially with Giovanni Direct Leave-In. I rinse it off my hands, but when I remove too much of the white foam from my hair it dries frizzy because I think my hair actually did need the product, it's just taking a while to absorb.

I prefer applying products on my hair when it's not sopping wet, but not quite so dry as what I consider damp. I don't blot it when I get out of the shower, but I kind of ring it out in the shower (even though I think the CG book says not to) so it's not drippy. I get nice results starting with super-wet hair too, but it takes so much longer to dry that way so I go with wettish-damp. I'm still able to get great clumps as long as I'm using a product that works for me.
Formerly Urbancurl.
Medium-high density, fine-medium, low-normal porosity, 3b/c, permanent color.
CG, no heat, combs, brushes, parabens.
Fall/Winter HG=Alba Botanica Soft Hold Style Cream.
Spring/Summer HG=MGA Sculpting Gel
Current fave LI=Madre Labs Made by Nature for Baby Conditioner.
Limit oils, butters, glycerin.
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i'm still experimenting with this whole product application and my low porosity hair. specifically with layering products. do you apply all your products at once (i.e. leave-in, styler, finisher) or do you wait a few minutes to let each one soak in first before adding the next?
Originally Posted by monipearl
This is one of the things I don't like about routines that I need to use a LI and a styler with. If my LI doesn't absorb right away and I wait for it to absorb, well sometimes that just doesn't appear to happen until my hair's too dry to add my styler. If I apply my styler while I have the white foam going on, it feels gross and I don't know if I applied enough. But I don't usually get the white foam with LIs other than Giovanni so it's not a regular problem. Still my fave routine involves just my Alba because no LI is necessary. I do get a bit of white foam with the Alba sometimes, but it always absorbs eventually or if it's really bad in a spot I smooth it off with clean hands.
Formerly Urbancurl.
Medium-high density, fine-medium, low-normal porosity, 3b/c, permanent color.
CG, no heat, combs, brushes, parabens.
Fall/Winter HG=Alba Botanica Soft Hold Style Cream.
Spring/Summer HG=MGA Sculpting Gel
Current fave LI=Madre Labs Made by Nature for Baby Conditioner.
Limit oils, butters, glycerin.
i'm still experimenting with this whole product application and my low porosity hair. specifically with layering products. do you apply all your products at once (i.e. leave-in, styler, finisher) or do you wait a few minutes to let each one soak in first before adding the next?
Originally Posted by monipearl
I scrunch in each product thoroughly, so although I don't purposely wait for them to soak in, they do have time to get worked in. Also, because of my hair being low porosity, my products really don't soak in quickly. The products take along time to fully absorb into my hair.
3a/3b, Fine Hair, Low porosity, Medium Density
Poo- CHS Treatment Shampoo
Low-poo- Devacurl Low Poo
RO- Devacurl One Condition
Leave-In- KCKT/Curl Junkie Smoothing Lotion

i'm still experimenting with this whole product application and my low porosity hair. specifically with layering products. do you apply all your products at once (i.e. leave-in, styler, finisher) or do you wait a few minutes to let each one soak in first before adding the next?
Originally Posted by monipearl
I finger comb/rake each product in, then scrunch it in. Apply them one after another. If I waited for them to soak in a little, it would take HOURS. That's the low porosity hair! My hair frequently dries before all the product soaks in. My hair usually gets better as the day goes on.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
[QUOTE=diaspora;1944360 Still my fave routine involves just my Alba because no LI is necessary. I do get a bit of white foam with the Alba sometimes, but it always absorbs eventually or if it's really bad in a spot I smooth it off with clean hands.[/QUOTE]

tell me more about this alba stuff. where can i get it? i stopped using gels and whatnot because after putting in the LI et al, my hair wouldn't be completely dry until the next day. still takes forever with just a tiny bit of conditioner left in.
My hair frequently dries before all the product soaks in.
Originally Posted by kathymack
do you get any residue buildup because of this? originally, i tried to follow the cg handbook method for my "multicurltural" hair but not rinsing out the conditioner left my hair feeling icky after drying. forget about adding gel. that just worsened matters.
My hair frequently dries before all the product soaks in.
Originally Posted by kathymack
do you get any residue buildup because of this? originally, i tried to follow the cg handbook method for my "multicurltural" hair but not rinsing out the conditioner left my hair feeling icky after drying. forget about adding gel. that just worsened matters.
Originally Posted by monipearl
I rinse out all of my conditioner and add products. I use a lot of really rich products that have oils and butters, so feel that it takes a LONG time for my hair to absorb the minute amounts I use. Polyquats 4 and 10 build up on my, so I only use jelly type products., those that don't have a lot of chemicals.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
[QUOTE=monipearl;1944805]

tell me more about this alba stuff. where can i get it? i stopped using gels and whatnot because after putting in the LI et al, my hair wouldn't be completely dry until the next day. still takes forever with just a tiny bit of conditioner left in.
Originally Posted by diaspora;1944360 Still my fave routine involves just my Alba because no LI is necessary. I do get a bit of white foam with the Alba sometimes, but it always absorbs eventually or if it's really bad in a spot I smooth it off with clean hands.[/QUOTE
Alba Soft Hold Style Cream is available at many Whole Foods stores or other health food stores, but it is about $10 there for 4 ounces, and online you can find it for about $6. You can read the ingredients and everything here, they have it for $5.61 right now. Alba Botanica Fragrance Free Soft Hold Style Cream -- 4 oz - Vitacost

I feel you with the drying time being all day and even next morning. That's why I won't use KCCC anymore, and dislike hair routines that involve adding product to soaking wet hair. With the Alba my hair dries in 5-7 hours depending on the weather. I don't apply to soaking wet hair or towel-dry, I just squeeze my hair a couple times to get the drips out while I'm in the shower after I rinse my conditioner. So I wouldn't say my hair is as dry as what I consider "damp," but it's def not soaking wet. Then what I do lately is part hair in the middle, rake the cream in, then smooth my hair with my hands so it forms 6 or so big clumps, then scrunch each clump to my roots, part to the side, air dry. I don't do any of this upside-down. It's really easy and I get 2nd day hair regularly, sometimes 3rd. The Alba also works to touch up dry hair. If it's a small section of hair, I will apply dry, if it's a larger section I'll mix the cream with a splash of water.

(If you choose to try it and order from Vitacost, we will both get $10 off our next orders if you use this link Vitacost Refer-A-Friend - Vitacost)
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Formerly Urbancurl.
Medium-high density, fine-medium, low-normal porosity, 3b/c, permanent color.
CG, no heat, combs, brushes, parabens.
Fall/Winter HG=Alba Botanica Soft Hold Style Cream.
Spring/Summer HG=MGA Sculpting Gel
Current fave LI=Madre Labs Made by Nature for Baby Conditioner.
Limit oils, butters, glycerin.
sopping wet only. once it starts to dry, it is too late! anything added to less than soaking wet hair makes my hair sticky and frizzy. single digit humidity makes air drying easy
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somewhat low density
good elasticity

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My gel works best on soaking wet hair. I get foam sometimes, but it doesn't last.

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[QUOTE=diaspora;1945677]

tell me more about this alba stuff. where can i get it? i stopped using gels and whatnot because after putting in the LI et al, my hair wouldn't be completely dry until the next day. still takes forever with just a tiny bit of conditioner left in.
Originally Posted by diaspora;1944360 Still my fave routine involves just my Alba because no LI is necessary. I do get a bit of white foam with the Alba sometimes, but it always absorbs eventually or if it's really bad in a spot I smooth it off with clean hands.[/QUOTE
Alba Soft Hold Style Cream is available at many Whole Foods stores or other health food stores, but it is about $10 there for 4 ounces, and online you can find it for about $6. You can read the ingredients and everything here, they have it for $5.61 right now. Alba Botanica Fragrance Free Soft Hold Style Cream -- 4 oz - Vitacost

I feel you with the drying time being all day and even next morning. That's why I won't use KCCC anymore, and dislike hair routines that involve adding product to soaking wet hair. With the Alba my hair dries in 5-7 hours depending on the weather. I don't apply to soaking wet hair or towel-dry, I just squeeze my hair a couple times to get the drips out while I'm in the shower after I rinse my conditioner. So I wouldn't say my hair is as dry as what I consider "damp," but it's def not soaking wet. Then what I do lately is part hair in the middle, rake the cream in, then smooth my hair with my hands so it forms 6 or so big clumps, then scrunch each clump to my roots, part to the side, air dry. I don't do any of this upside-down. It's really easy and I get 2nd day hair regularly, sometimes 3rd. The Alba also works to touch up dry hair. If it's a small section of hair, I will apply dry, if it's a larger section I'll mix the cream with a splash of water.

(If you choose to try it and order from Vitacost, we will both get $10 off our next orders if you use this link Vitacost Refer-A-Friend - Vitacost)
Originally Posted by monipearl
a little concerned about the coconut oil and glycerin. my hair does not play nice with these. however, i'd been hearing a lot about vitacost and may order this along with some other things. the shopaholic in me loves anything with $$ off next purchase.
^^ Yeah, I feel your fear-- my hair reacts badly to glycerin when it is high on the ingredients list, but depending on the other ingredients and the weather, on wet hair it won't react. But as a refresher on dry hair, glycerin is a nightmare for me. I'm able to use the Alba on dry hair though, I think it's low enough on the list. Also I think when a product has a holding agent like PVP high on the list (it's 2nd on the Alba like it is in many gels), my hair is forgiving of glycerin and oil.
Formerly Urbancurl.
Medium-high density, fine-medium, low-normal porosity, 3b/c, permanent color.
CG, no heat, combs, brushes, parabens.
Fall/Winter HG=Alba Botanica Soft Hold Style Cream.
Spring/Summer HG=MGA Sculpting Gel
Current fave LI=Madre Labs Made by Nature for Baby Conditioner.
Limit oils, butters, glycerin.
diaspora, i went on a mini-spree on vitacost and ended up with two tubes of the alba. if it doesn't work on my hair i'll be sending you the other one.
3c-4b. probably.
medium/coarse texture.
(extremely)high density.
low porosity, normal elasticity.
co-wash: suave naturals daily clarifying condish with drops of rosemary oil.
detangling conditioner: tresemme naturals.
deep conditioner: curly kinks curlycue renew, b.a.s.k. cacao bark, honey/evoo.

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