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Old 07-20-2012, 01:40 PM   #1
 
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If you use baking soda, do you NEED to use ACV ? Or is there another alternative?

Will my hair frizz out if I use the baking soda and then a regular conditioner?
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Baking soda raises you hair's pH and opens your hair's cuticles. Without an acidic rinse, hair will be rougher and more easily tangled. That's why you need an acidic rinse to lower your hair's pH and seal the cuticles. ACV is an acidic rinse but not the only one. Lemon juice, vinegar, and other things that are acidic can lower the hair's pH. Why don't you want to use ACV? If it's the smell, you can use white vinegar or some other vinegar that you like that doesn't have bad ingredients added into it. Lemon juice works, too. I'm not sure about conditioners, but I think I read somewhere that they are usually acidic, but not all of them.
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Baking soda raises you hair's pH and opens your hair's cuticles. Without an acidic rinse, hair will be rougher and more easily tangled. That's why you need an acidic rinse to lower your hair's pH and seal the cuticles. ACV is an acidic rinse but not the only one. Lemon juice, vinegar, and other things that are acidic can lower the hair's pH. Why don't you want to use ACV? If it's the smell, you can use white vinegar or some other vinegar that you like that doesn't have bad ingredients added into it. Lemon juice works, too. I'm not sure about conditioners, but I think I read somewhere that they are usually acidic, but not all of them.
what does using baking soda and ACV do? I have low porosity hair and want to know what kind of treatment this does.
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Baking soda cleanses, and it also opens the cuticles (that's great for low-po hair). ACV helps to restore the ph level, conditions the hair, and closes the cuticle (something low-pos don't need help with but we need the other two benefits).

I use this combo as a clarifying wash occasionally. I only recently learned that bs opens the cuticle so last time I decided to do bs/conditioner/ACV/LI. It seemed to work quite nicely.
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So excited bc I have Bs and Acv. Now I have to find out to properly use them to reao the benefits

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So I did the BS and ACV and it did so well in my hair! It came out shiny and soft. Do this!!!!

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Has anyone tried a vinegar rinse without baking soda? I heard that oil and vinegar seals moisture in, if you do a vinegar rinse, can you still use an oil to seal? Is it better to use oils that are said to penetrate (like olive, coconut) before or after rinsing with vinegar? Just wondering.
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Baking soda cleanses, and it also opens the cuticles (that's great for low-po hair). ACV helps to restore the ph level, conditions the hair, and closes the cuticle (something low-pos don't need help with but we need the other two benefits).

I use this combo as a clarifying wash occasionally. I only recently learned that bs opens the cuticle so last time I decided to do bs/conditioner/ACV/LI. It seemed to work quite nicely.
I know this post was a long time ago but OH MY GOSH thank you so much for this! I found out I have VERY low porosity hair and started reading on here and found this. I started thinking about it and it makes so much sense! It's really hard for low porosity hair to absorb moisture so if you use baking soda to open the cuticle first, it's much easier for your hair to absorb whatever moisturizer you then use.

Had amazzzing results. Used baking soda, then conditioner to try to get moisture in, then rinse with ACV to close cuticles again and LI for styling. Shiney, defined curl, soft and moisturized, and VOLUME. WOW! I seriously think I went from 2c to 3a just from using this method. Thanks again!!!
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Call me nutty, but when I use baking soda I typically skip the ACV rinse because my hair feels good without it. I do mix my baking soda with conditioner so that lowers the ph. I'll try vinegar tonight though to see if there's a major difference.

How often do you all do these??

I find myself wanting to do them often. Like once a month or more. My hair just feels so awesome afterwards. I do have very hard water so maybe I just need the clarifying more often.
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I use baking soda and ACV every time I wash, so every 5-10 days roughly.

Question, does any one find that it lathers? On blogs I always read how it doesn't lather and it does to me every single time and I'm feeling kind of weird about it. I snapped a pic yesterday of how it looks.

Is that normal? This is with 1TB of baking soda and 8oz of filtered water.
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Call me nutty, but when I use baking soda I typically skip the ACV rinse because my hair feels good without it. I do mix my baking soda with conditioner so that lowers the ph. I'll try vinegar tonight though to see if there's a major difference.

How often do you all do these??

I find myself wanting to do them often. Like once a month or more. My hair just feels so awesome afterwards. I do have very hard water so maybe I just need the clarifying more often.
I haven't decided yet how often to do it. I usually wash my hair once every four days and I definitely can't do the bs every time because my hair seems to get gritty feeling....eww and then it's really hard to finger comb and it's just a mess. Maybe once every two weeks or so will work.
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I use baking soda and ACV every time I wash, so every 5-10 days roughly.

Question, does any one find that it lathers? On blogs I always read how it doesn't lather and it does to me every single time and I'm feeling kind of weird about it. I snapped a pic yesterday of how it looks.

Is that normal? This is with 1TB of baking soda and 8oz of filtered water.
That is odd if it lathers....I could imagine it lathering if I mixed it with other products but not really on its own...Maybe for other people but it definitely doesn't lather for me. I wouldn't worry about it, though. Probably just from a bit of friction with the texture of your hair because it's very curly. Mine is only 2c/3a. So that's probably to be expected.
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I do think I figured it out...it seems like it's mixing with an excess of sebum and dead skin cells, which I have always produced a lot more of. I can reproduce the lather on my face (to a lesser degree) if I wash/exfoliate with BS/water too.

Also if I reapply the mixture a second time on my hair/face, ta-daa! No lather. This kind of makes me feel like a sheddy, oily household pet but whatever. Lol. Thanks
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Rizos, don't you find the BS is too harsh. I myself use 4 tbsp aloe Vera gel with 2 tbsp each honey and apple cider vinegar in lieu of shampoo. I saw recipe online and I like it.
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Harsh as in squeaky clean, or drying maybe? I've read of others who experience dryness after but I suspect that they may not be following with apple cider vinegar. Have you used it after the BS?

My hair seems to respond to BS well, even my face does. I've never tried anything based on aloe vera because I'm afraid of the protein (which all plant extracts have) but maybe I should try the combo on my face. Seems like whatever sends my face into panic mode does it also on my hair. And that last sentence really shows where my priorities are...lol.
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Baking soda cleanses, and it also opens the cuticles (that's great for low-po hair). ACV helps to restore the ph level, conditions the hair, and closes the cuticle (something low-pos don't need help with but we need the other two benefits).

I use this combo as a clarifying wash occasionally. I only recently learned that bs opens the cuticle so last time I decided to do bs/conditioner/ACV/LI. It seemed to work quite nicely.
I know this post was a long time ago but OH MY GOSH thank you so much for this! I found out I have VERY low porosity hair and started reading on here and found this. I started thinking about it and it makes so much sense! It's really hard for low porosity hair to absorb moisture so if you use baking soda to open the cuticle first, it's much easier for your hair to absorb whatever moisturizer you then use.

Had amazzzing results. Used baking soda, then conditioner to try to get moisture in, then rinse with ACV to close cuticles again and LI for styling. Shiney, defined curl, soft and moisturized, and VOLUME. WOW! I seriously think I went from 2c to 3a just from using this method. Thanks again!!!
Wow, thanks so much for explaining this process! I tried it this morning and am AMAZED at the improvement in my texture quality, softness, shine and absence of frizz.
Like lots of curlies w/hard water I was pro-shampoo, but I think you may very well of converted me back to full CG again.
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Wow I so want to to try this your hair looks amazing!!
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I definitely want to try this...I have such low porosity hair and also have well water...so i end up cleansing my hair every couple washes to help with build up...but this sounds more promising....how much baking soda do I use per cup of water...and how much ACV?? And what order would I use them...I gather I first wet my hair...remove the tangles...then apply the BS rinse...then use my GPB conditioner. ..then use the ACV rinse...then LI and my okra gel??? Did I get that right??? Do I leave them on my hair for a certain amount of time?? Hope someone responds so I can give this a try 2nite

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Months later looking at this thread again I find the comments interesting! I actually asked my DEVA stylist about this last night. She said that baking soda is good for a "start over" once in awhile and ACV would work to restore natural balance, but not to do it all the time or as a normal routine.
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I know this is an old post, but when I do the baking soda wash I never use ACV and always use conditioner. I tried it with BS and ACV but I felt like my hair was greasy or heavy or something. I also tried just the vinegar, and it worked, but pretty soon it felt really gross. I've also been daring and tried just the baking soda and it was a DISASTER.

Doesn't it make sense for us low porosity girls to just use the baking soda? The BS opens up your hair, allowing the conditioner to actually be soaked in. When I cowash it just sits there, but with the baking soda my hair feels soft and moisturized. It doesn't make sense to put vinegar on it since our hair doesn't need any help closing up!

That's been my experience. I have low porosity, high density, thin hair. Baking soda plus conditioner has worked for me!
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