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Strawberycurlz 01-08-2013 08:51 PM

Am i low porosity?
 
my hair floats in the water test.
but my hair will NOT hold moisture. especially the ends. i condition and my hair feels really soft and not dry/crunchy or rough on the ends at all. It stays like that untill it dries and then as soon as its completly dry ( 1 hour if i leave it down? maybe one and a half) its BONE dry and rough and even sharp. the ends of my hair look thicker , like the hair strand is thicker at the bottom.i have already done a chelating treatment and deep conditioned. i wash with hotish water and rinse conditioner with coldish and then final rinse very cold. hair is shiny though all the way to the bottom.

JennaBug 01-14-2013 04:30 PM

I am wondering this same thing too! My hair floated forever in the water test, but I don't seem to have any other symptoms of LP hair. It doesn't seem to repel water, it dries fairly quickly (like an hour or 2). It's not straw like or super dry, but its not particularly soft either. It does seem to respond to moisture.
I tried a dab of coconut oil today prior to my gel, and it made my hair super soft and shiny, but I lost much of my curl. :-(
I am confused as to where to go from here...

kathymack 01-14-2013 04:39 PM

The float test is notoriously unreliable. The best test is to run fingers from tip to root, if it feels really smooth and possibly squeaks, it's low porosity. LONG drying time is also a symptom. Back in the day, when I worked and didn't use products, I'd show at 6, squeeze out excess water and towel dry, diffuse for a bit--and go to work. At 11:30, the under layers would still be damp.

mswhimsy 05-16-2013 03:42 PM

Kathymack, your posts have been quite enlightening.

I've had a clump of hair sitting in a glass of water for 38 minutes now, and it hasn't left the surface. This is the third clump I've tried. I ran my fingers up the shaft of a single hair, and it actually audibly squeaked. I guess that means my hair has low porosity. I had assumed that I was actually the opposite, as my hair loses color quite quickly- but then, I am an artificial redhead and red is notoriously challenging. Color seems to take to my hair normally, but reds (and pinks) almost fall out of it. My hair slurps up protein treatments quite greedily, too, though conversely moisturizers don't seem to affect its character (softness, pliability) at all.

I will have to try adding heat to oil treatments to see if it makes a difference. Yesterday a pre-poo coconut oiling seemed to make my hair quite soft and bouncy, but my second-day hair feels like greased-up pine straw.

Thank you for your insight.

kathymack 05-16-2013 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mswhimsy (Post 2170796)
Kathymack, your posts have been quite enlightening.

I've had a clump of hair sitting in a glass of water for 38 minutes now, and it hasn't left the surface. This is the third clump I've tried. I ran my fingers up the shaft of a single hair, and it actually audibly squeaked. I guess that means my hair has low porosity. I had assumed that I was actually the opposite, as my hair loses color quite quickly- but then, I am an artificial redhead and red is notoriously challenging. Color seems to take to my hair normally, but reds (and pinks) almost fall out of it. My hair slurps up protein treatments quite greedily, too, though conversely moisturizers don't seem to affect its character (softness, pliability) at all.

I will have to try adding heat to oil treatments to see if it makes a difference. Yesterday a pre-poo coconut oiling seemed to make my hair quite soft and bouncy, but my second-day hair feels like greased-up pine straw.

Thank you for your insight.

You don't say what other products you are using. Red fades quickly and depending how you clean it, you could be stripping color out (soap does that.)

If slurping is absorbing, low porosity hair doesn't "slurp" anything up easily. My hair responds to protein--tighter curl, more volume, less frizz; however, it doesn't "slurp" it up.

Most low porosity hair doesn't like straight oils/butters. I could/would never use coconut oil (or any oil/butter to prepoo.) It would just sit on my hair until I washed it out. I think that's what happened with your hair and the coconut oil.

I frequently use minute amounts of really rich products with no problems. But I find the Shea M Coconut & Hibiscus Smoothie and Milk really heavy, if you understand the difference. It sits on my hair and has to be washed out (natural soap bars a fine for this.)

Don't know if this gives you any guidance.

mswhimsy 05-16-2013 08:50 PM

Kathymack, I had been using organix argan oil shampoo and deep conditioner, but I recently switched to tressa watercolors shampoo to deposit some color. (It appears to be paraben, sulfate, and silicone-free.) I mix that with DevaCurl no poo and condition with devacurl one condition. (I got the trial/travel set). I apply Lush R&B in small quantities as a LI and then rake in DevaCurl frizz-free volumizing foam. My hair has never been drier. I think perhaps it is adjusting to the drastic changes in cleansing and styling products, but I'm too much of a newbie to be sure of anything.

To be honest, I don't know whether my hair is absorbing anything or not! I am not sure how I got this far in life being as clueless as I am about my own hair. :sad11:

Anyway, thank you for responding.

kathymack 05-17-2013 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mswhimsy (Post 2170888)
Kathymack, I had been using organix argan oil shampoo and deep conditioner, but I recently switched to tressa watercolors shampoo to deposit some color. (It appears to be paraben, sulfate, and silicone-free.) I mix that with DevaCurl no poo and condition with devacurl one condition. (I got the trial/travel set). I apply Lush R&B in small quantities as a LI and then rake in DevaCurl frizz-free volumizing foam. My hair has never been drier. I think perhaps it is adjusting to the drastic changes in cleansing and styling products, but I'm too much of a newbie to be sure of anything.

To be honest, I don't know whether my hair is absorbing anything or not! I am not sure how I got this far in life being as clueless as I am about my own hair. :sad11:

Anyway, thank you for responding.

I'm not familiar with your products, other then the Deva. Around here, Deva is a love/hate line. Many of us start out with it, think we like it and then move on to things we like a lot more.

My salon has Deva products. I used to let them use the NoPoo when I went in for my haircut/highlight. After they underwent an ingredient change several years ago, I found it VERY drying. It took about a week for me to get my hair back.

The Deva Foam has a polyquat as the second ingredient after water. As far as I know, I never used a product with that particular polyquat. I have issues with 4, 7 and 10. Although I'm told that polyquats don't build up, I feel that they coat my hair. Had frizz when wet when I used them. Had to use a really strong surfactant to "remove" them. Haven't had those issues since I avoid all polyquats.

mswhimsy 05-17-2013 07:49 AM

kathymack, I had not heard of polyquats until Lauraimes mentioned them in another thread. It seems like, the more I know, the more I realize that I don't know anything. I will keep fiddling around and see what I can do. I am not positive that it isn't just my methods that need adjusting, so i don't feel well-qualified to judge the quality of their products. It's quite likely that I'm just not using them in the appropriate way yet. In the interim, I've got some SheaMoisture to try in the meantime (is that the SM to which you refer in other posts?) and some Jessicurl stuff on the way. Do you find that the temperature of your water impacts the amount of absorption you are able to get?

Strawberycurlz, I am sorry for hijacking your thread here. I have been examining my own washing/rinsing temperatures and I think I might go with what you have explained above, with some (possible?) variations: I want to try the icequeen conditioning method, linked here: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...en-method.html

My ends are a big problem area for me as well. Mine got the most abuse/attention when I was heat-styling every day and were more heavily product-ed to compensate for the damage I did in the process. Sadly, I think it is possible to damage ends of hair beyond repair if you're doling out that kind of punishment. Is this a constant issue for you, or does it improve immediately after a trim?

mswhimsy 05-17-2013 07:57 AM

Strawberycurlz, I did read on the MagiCurls guy's blog, I think that rinsing out conditioner with hot water will allow better absorption of your leave-in products. Maybe try rinsing hot, adding a bit more conditioner to leave in and your hold product while your hair is sopping, then air dry? I don't know whether moisturizers will fall out of a cuticle that has been coaxed open by steam if you don't wet them afterwards.

Here's that blog post for you IYI.

Might be worth trying?

kathymack 05-17-2013 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mswhimsy (Post 2170976)
kathymack, I had not heard of polyquats until Lauraimes mentioned them in another thread. It seems like, the more I know, the more I realize that I don't know anything. I will keep fiddling around and see what I can do. I am not positive that it isn't just my methods that need adjusting, so i don't feel well-qualified to judge the quality of their products. It's quite likely that I'm just not using them in the appropriate way yet. In the interim, I've got some SheaMoisture to try in the meantime (is that the SM to which you refer in other posts?) and some Jessicurl stuff on the way. Do you find that the temperature of your water impacts the amount of absorption you are able to get?

SM is SheaMoisture. My hair really doesn't care for it at all. I find it too heavy. I did break down and by the Souffle yesterday. It has a lot of ingredients I like. Used it today--but my hair isn't dry yet. It will be a few more hours. So far, I'm not thrilled. But, I would always have wondered.


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