Cowashing makes my hair dry!

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Usually if I want to just use conditioner I use a baking soda rinse prior to applying conditioner. This makes my hair absorb the moisture and with very low porosity hair, I don't need to use an ACV rinse after. This makes my hair soft and moisturized.

I recently have been trying to cowash with just conditioner but my hair is always dry and feels producty afterward. It's like I didn't even use conditioner and just put product in.

My theory is that since my hair is such low porosity, the conditioner just washes off, leaving whatever is in my hard water to sit on my hair.

Has anyone else experienced this? I never use leave ins or use alot of product. I just cowashed tonight and my hair feels like straw! Is it because my hair is LP or is it the hard water?

I'm okay with going back to my old regime... I am just hoping to get some insight! Thanks!
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If what you did before worked, keep doing that!!! LoL!

I can't cowash exclusively nor can I do it DAILY. My hair gets dry even if I just water rinse everyday.
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Usually if I want to just use conditioner I use a baking soda rinse prior to applying conditioner. This makes my hair absorb the moisture and with very low porosity hair, I don't need to use an ACV rinse after. This makes my hair soft and moisturized.

I recently have been trying to cowash with just conditioner but my hair is always dry and feels producty afterward. It's like I didn't even use conditioner and just put product in.

My theory is that since my hair is such low porosity, the conditioner just washes off, leaving whatever is in my hard water to sit on my hair.

Has anyone else experienced this? I never use leave ins or use alot of product. I just cowashed tonight and my hair feels like straw! Is it because my hair is LP or is it the hard water?

I'm okay with going back to my old regime... I am just hoping to get some insight! Thanks!
Originally Posted by peachespeaches
What kind of conditioner do you use?
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The reason I wanted to switch is because I have heard that using a BS rinse too often can destroy your hair. But it's the only way I know how to get moisture in.

For conditioning I usually use Nature's Gate Herbal. I've tried Tresemme Naturals and it was far too heavy for my hair- there's still a whole bottle of it in my shower. I've also tried Say Yes to Carrots and Burt's Bees... I lean toward natural products.

I've heard that the Nature's Gate line is drying for some. I have fine, very low porosity, and high density. I never had a problem with it before, plus when I use the BS it absorbs with no problem!
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I looked up the ingredients for you. I believe I found the right one, if not let me know.

Water, Quaternium-87 (Vegetable Derived), Cetearyl Alcohol (Vegetable Derived), Glycerin (Vegetable Derived), Polysorbate 60, Panthenol, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Borago (Borage) Officinalis Seed Oil, Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Extract, Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Extract, Prunus Serotina (Wild Cherry) Bark Extract, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Extract, Arctium Lappa (Burdock) Root Extract, Yucca Schidigera Root Extract, Lilium Candidum (Lily) Bulb Extract, Nelumbo Nucifera (Sacred Lotus) Flower Extract, Quercus Alba (Oak Bark) Bark Extract, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Phenoxyethanol, Glyceryl Undecylenate (Vegetable Derived), Citric Acid (Vegetable Derived), Fragrance*, Caramel.

I am wondering if it is the protein that is the issue which is making your hair dry. You say you are low porosity, and I have noticed a lot of low-po curlies can't have too much protein. This protein is high on the list so it is effective. Maybe you should try lessening how much you use this, or try alternating conditioners?
High Porosity, Fine, Thin Density, Low Elasticity
Co-wash, leave in, and gel: Alba botanica coconut cond., ogx mousse, &/or super wet look gel.
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Wow seeing all those ingredients up close makes me think it's not so natural!

Do you have any recommendations for low protein conditioners? Since I also have fine hair it can't be a very heavy product. A more natural line is preferable but I'm open to other things!
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My hair is fine/low porosity. Baking soda makes it like straw. It hates even a little amount in anything.

If you have hard water and aren't doing something to remove the minerals, they are, at least, some part of your problem. There's a current thread on chelating that you could search to see what's being discussed.

My theory is that if you are truly low porosity, your rinse out is probably your least important product--it's not on your hair long enough to do much. It's your styling products that really matter. I use minute amounts of really rich products. My hair is frequently dry before the product absorbs (I use a curlease, CLU to scrunch, diffuse and air dry for several hours.)

My hair likes the more natural products. I try to stay away from chemicals, especially polyquats.
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Wow seeing all those ingredients up close makes me think it's not so natural!

Do you have any recommendations for low protein conditioners? Since I also have fine hair it can't be a very heavy product. A more natural line is preferable but I'm open to other things!
Originally Posted by peachespeaches
I don't think there isn't anything wrong with this conditioner 'naturally' wise, but I do think your hair might not need this much protein as much as you wash your hair. You can do a good search on here for low po conditioners. My best bet is something that doesn't contain protein. You might actually do better with protein treatments instead. So, instead of having it in your daily routine, you could do protein treatments weekly or however, instead.
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Thanks everyone! Great advice to try!
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Imo protein is not the issue here. That conditioner is simply just too emollient for what you are trying to use it for. Quaternium-87 as the second ingredient?! No bueno. You are basically rinsing your hair with oils and other coating ingredients (the proteins are there to act in this capacity). This is the wrong kind of conditioner to co-wash with.

You need a cleansing conditioner that has actual cationic surfactants and emulsifiers in it that can clean the hair and won't build up, such as behentrimonium chloride, decyl glucoside, or cocoaminopropyl betaine. That conditioner has none (it looks like it would be very good at conditioning dry/damaged hair though just not cleansing it).

Have you considered using Curl Junkie Daily Fix, Devacurl No-poo or a product like that? Or even a VO5 or Suave conditioner?
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Artemis- in your opinion, would this be good as a leave in? I might try it tomorrow. I've always been afraid to try leave in's for my fine hair.

I haven't considered those, I'll have to look into them! Thanks!
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Artemis- in your opinion, would this be good as a leave in? I might try it tomorrow. I've always been afraid to try leave in's for my fine hair.

I haven't considered those, I'll have to look into them! Thanks!
Originally Posted by peachespeaches
Just based on ingredients listed I see that being an ok leave in for hair that is fine and high porosity, probably heat styled and/or color treated. That said, you won't know how it will work for you until you try it. But definitely alternate with something protein free just to be on the safe side.
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Why does protein make my hair dry? I don't understand
I got this wheat protein hair mask from Italy and I was so excited to use it, my routine before was just simple ( I use Keramin H shampoo and conditioner, towel dry, I then apply Pantene oil replacement, then coconut oil to seal and lock in moisture) then I'd wrap, and when its fully dry I get straight hair as if I flat ironed it, I tried the mask on the other day, followed the same steps, got nice moisturised hair at first, went out, and came back home with a puff ball! I didnt understand why.. The whole time I thought I was looking all atttactive and stuff until I got back home lol not good of an experience..
I know it has happened before to every single girl on this planet
So can anyone explain to me what happened exactly?
PS: my conditioner DOES have silicone in it but this has never occured before.. :/
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Why does protein make my hair dry? I don't understand
I got this wheat protein hair mask from Italy and I was so excited to use it, my routine before was just simple ( I use Keramin H shampoo and conditioner, towel dry, I then apply Pantene oil replacement, then coconut oil to seal and lock in moisture) then I'd wrap, and when its fully dry I get straight hair as if I flat ironed it, I tried the mask on the other day, followed the same steps, got nice moisturised hair at first, went out, and came back home with a puff ball! I didnt understand why.. The whole time I thought I was looking all atttactive and stuff until I got back home lol not good of an experience..
I know it has happened before to every single girl on this planet
So can anyone explain to me what happened exactly?
PS: my conditioner DOES have silicone in it but this has never occured before.. :/
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Originally Posted by sweetandcurly

Maybe build-up from the silicone? Or too much protein?
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Co-wash, leave in, and gel: Alba botanica coconut cond., ogx mousse, &/or super wet look gel.
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I get dry if i had too much protein.

Maybe build-up from the silicone? Or too much protein?
Maybe :/
Ill consider not using the protein mask next time I wash my hair, but how can silicone build-up if I sulfate wash my hair? :/ weird..

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Maybe build-up from the silicone? Or too much protein?
Maybe :/
Ill consider not using the protein mask next time I wash my hair, but how can silicone build-up if I sulfate wash my hair? :/ weird..

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Originally Posted by sweetandcurly
Didn't know that you did, sorry. Try going without the protein and see how that does. Otherwise, re-asses your other products and try rotating possibly.
High Porosity, Fine, Thin Density, Low Elasticity
Co-wash, leave in, and gel: Alba botanica coconut cond., ogx mousse, &/or super wet look gel.
Curls
Didn't know that you did, sorry. Try going without the protein and see how that does. Otherwise, re-asses your other products and try rotating possibly.
Originally Posted by Samanthascurlz
Its cool, thank you!
Can you recomend me a sulfate free shampoo and silicone, protein, and paraben free conditioner which I can get from Europe? Or Italy in particular? Thanks in advance.


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I get dry if i had too much protein.
Originally Posted by curlicious13
Thank you curlicious13


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Didn't know that you did, sorry. Try going without the protein and see how that does. Otherwise, re-asses your other products and try rotating possibly.
Originally Posted by Samanthascurlz
Its cool, thank you!
Can you recomend me a sulfate free shampoo and silicone, protein, and paraben free conditioner which I can get from Europe? Or Italy in particular? Thanks in advance.


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Originally Posted by sweetandcurly
Ok, I am not sure if you can get these in Europe, but AS I AM makes a great co-wash that will rid of most build-up. What is also great is the pH is 4.5 which is ideal for hair. You can order this on Amazon, so I am not sure if that is good for you or not.

Tresemmé Naturals- SIlicone Free Conditioner (either black top or white top) is also protein free and paraben free. It is excellent for detangling since it contains Behentrimonium Chloride and Cetearyl Alcohol. It is great as leave in as well. You can get this on Amazon as well (only the white top).

The komaza line has so many different conditioners, deep treatments, leave-ins, sprays, etc. that you should consider as well. I personally haven't tried any yet, but I will give you the link to their website (not sure about shipping for that either).
Komaza:
Komaza Care - The Complete Hair Solution
High Porosity, Fine, Thin Density, Low Elasticity
Co-wash, leave in, and gel: Alba botanica coconut cond., ogx mousse, &/or super wet look gel.
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