OMG!!! YOU HAVE TO TRY THIS FOR YOUR SKIN!!!

WWOOOWWWW!!!!! i think i just discovered the answers to the problems i've been having with my skin since the fourth grade. this is a natural, cheap skin care routine that is unbelievably effective! it makes TOTAL SENSE!! i give total credit to delna, a member of acne.org, who posted this topic. it got 1400 replies!!!! i highly encourage you to try this and read through her explanation...it is amazingly simple and makes so much sense. i have been doing this for a month now and it is AWESOME!! my redmarks are disappearing, pimples are gone, makeup is able to be placed on flawlessly and smoothly without any flaking....PLEASE CHECK THIS WEBPAGE OUT!!!! and let us know what you think!
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/ind...c=35135&hl=omg
No scrubs?

I'm glad that works for you!
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Thanks so much for posting this link! I'm going to give it a go... its almost like reading some of the natural hair care recipies you find.. baking soda and ACV will now have a permenant place in my bathroom and not just for my hair!
I just might have to try this. I am always looking for ways to improve my skin (and my hair) Thanks so much for the info! ~~jax
2c or 3a Cut most of my hair off in July '12 and am working on regrowing it.
I'd be a little careful of this regiment. Baking soda is extremely alkaline, and as such, when applied to one’s skin – especially the delicate skin on one’s face – it completely and utterly destroys the natural acid mantle of one’s skin. Big deal, you say?! This acid mantle helps to maintain the delicate PH-balance of the skin. When this acid mantle has been disturbed or removed, it raises the risk of bacteria and infection getting into the flesh that you inadvertently rubbed raw by cleansing/exfoliating your face with baking soda!!


For those of you that HAVE used baking soda on your face in the past, you will recall that your skin smartly stung afterwards. Now, some of you might have dismissed this reaction by simply assuming that you had scrubbed your face too vigorously with the baking soda, but you would be wrong. The reason it stung so much afterwards is because you tore away the protective layer of your skin! ACV (Apple Cider Vinegar) does lower the pH, but it may be after the damage has already occured. Once the acid mantle is damaged it literally takes a split second for the skin to be damaged, and it can take 14 - 21 days for the acid mantle to repair itself again.


For a mild scrub use white or brown sugar. Gentle, effective, and soft on skin with no sharp edges. (brown sugar is softer). ACV is also very dying to the skin, and can be irritaing. For people that do like to use it, I really recommend heavy dilution, and try not to use twice daily. In many cases once daily can be to much.
I use Paula Begoun's method from her book-- Cetaphil & baking soda once a week. Works great on my bikini area to prevent bumps & ingrown hairs too.

Sugar scrubs (even superfine sugar) tear my skin up. Baking soda is just the lesser of all evils for me I guess.

I agree, it does sting if you use too much or leave it on too long. I've never noticed damage though--- what should I look for? Eek--maybe I'm killing my face & don't know it
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I use Paula Begoun's method from her book-- Cetaphil & baking soda once a week.

Gad, I hope you don't use that on your face. Cetaphil contains one of the strongest detergents out there, which wrecks the skin barrier, and baking soda is highly alkaline, which also wrecks the skin barrier (aka acid mantle). I can't think of a worse combo than to use them together. Shudder...

Paula is a sellout. She slammed all sorts of skin care companies, and then started making her own line of products using the very ingredients she slammed.
I do use it on my face!!

I used to have acne crazy bad & when I was on Accutane everything made the dryness worse. My doctor recommended Cetaphil... it's the only thing that doesn't dry my skin out even today. I've used it for at least 10 years.

I know it has SLS but....I think it may be in such a small amount that it doesn't bother me. It certainly doesn't *clean* all that well for having a strong detergent-- don't even think about trying to get makeup off.

I agree about Paula. Most of what she says is pretty biased. The Cetaphil & BS thing is the only thing she recommends that actually works for me. Sugar scratches me-- literally I look like my cat attacked me!

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If you want to manually exfoliate, try using a microfiber cloth with either your cleanser or just plain water...works as well as any scrub.

I have no idea why doctors continue to promote Cetaphil as gentle. I suspect it's just strong marketing on the manufacturer's part. It's not gentle though. It actually causes acne, because it breaks down the skin barrier and allows bacteria to invade. We need healthy skin barriers to have good skin.
Hmm. Interesting. I'd be interested in what other cleanser you'd suggest to be gentle, has no fragrance or essential oils & rinses clean (i.e. no oils or waxes).

I'm not married to the Cetaphil, it just happens to work for my AM routine. I'm using pHisoderm deep cleaning for sensitive skin in the PM to remove makeup (it's discontinued but I stocked up over the summer- don't know WHAT I'll do when I run out) & Cetaphil in the AM. I can't use pHisoderm in the AM esp. in the winter- ouch talk about destroying the skin barrier.

Thanks!
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The Body Shop carries muslin face cloths that are really great. They exfoliate pretty gently, and they rinse really well so they don't wind up with crud trapped in them like regular washcloths.

I've been doing the oil cleansing method and ACV toner once a day, then a really gentle soap (Burt's Bees lettuce soap for sensitive skin) and a low-concentration salicylic acid gel at night. It's been working really well for me. My skin FEELS a million times better, and what breakouts I've gotten have been much less severe.

I've also been using two drops of jojoba oil as a moisturizer. I know how scary all that oil sounds – my skin used to be SO greasy and I was terrified to try this – but it really does work! My skin doesn't get shiny or greasy anymore at all!
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Renpure Moisturizing Shampoo, Body Shop Banana Conditioner, Ouidad Tress Effects GelMy fashion blog:
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Thanks for the idea sassette! Oil cleansing? I'm ashamed to say I don't know about that either....could you educate me please?

RedCatWaves... still interested in a Cetaphil alternative suggestion. I've tried cleansers that contain "gentle" detergents & the concentration is what caused it to dry my face out. Maybe you are applying the typical SLS & ALS properties to all products that contain them without regard to concentration?

Also, where did you hear/read that it breaks down the skin barrier? I have not been able to find any thing.
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Thanks for the idea sassette! Oil cleansing? I'm ashamed to say I don't know about that either....could you educate me please?
Originally Posted by tinabcurly
Internetchick sent me this link when I asked the same question:
http://purehenry.com/ocm.htm

I use a homemade mix of 1/3 Castor Oil and 2/3 Extra Virgin Olive Oil with a few drops of lavender oil and jojoba oil.
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"While the rest of the species is descended from apes, redheads are descended from cats."

CURRENTLY USING:
Renpure Moisturizing Shampoo, Body Shop Banana Conditioner, Ouidad Tress Effects GelMy fashion blog:
http://a-la-mode-2010.blogspot.com/
Aside from all the fuss about baking soda, I think that the egg white and lemon juice mask is a great idea. I have heard about women all over the world using egg white masks to tighten and even out their skin tone. I have tried it a couple times and like it very much. My only problem is that it only takes about half the egg white to cover my face. I have been throwing the rest down the drain, but do you think I can cover it and save it in the fridge as long as I use it the next day?

Anyone else have thoughts on the egg white mask?
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Fotki: curlymeg

Nature's Gate Awapuhi Volumizing Conditioner
Graham Webb Making Waves gel
jojoba or coconut oil as a DT

Hair is pretty great now that it's colder, now I'm focusing on my skin. Sniffle.
I too have heard that lots of people like eggwhite masks. I've never used one though. What does it do for you?

As far as keeping eggwhites-- they'll be fine outside the shell for about 2-3 days covered in the fridge (the lower the temp the better). If you need to keep them longer than that, you can freeze them for up to a few months. There's no mistaking when eggs have gone bad- you'll know by the smell.
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RedCatWaves... still interested in a Cetaphil alternative suggestion. I've tried cleansers that contain "gentle" detergents & the concentration is what caused it to dry my face out. Maybe you are applying the typical SLS & ALS properties to all products that contain them without regard to concentration?

Also, where did you hear/read that it breaks down the skin barrier? I have not been able to find any thing.

There are studies that prove that SLS and SLES break down the skin's acid mantle and lead to irritation. You can probably find them at pubmed.com if you do a search for "skin barrier detergent". Detergents were originally invented as an alternative to soaps for many reasons, one of which is because they are gentler to the skin than soaps, which have a very alkaline PH level. However, detergents are still irritating. Especially to those who are acne prone. Once you break down the skin barrier/acid mantle, it leaves the skin open to bacteria and irritation, which can lead to acne.

I had been on the hunt for a detergent-free neutral-PH cleanser for literally YEARS. They are few and far between. Most people who cannot tolerate detergents or soaps resort to oils for skin cleansing, but that didn't work for me either, since I am acne prone.

I currently use a cleanser made by: http://www.naturalskincare.com/

This one is for Oily skin: http://www.naturalskincare.com/wheatgermpdct.html

and this one is for normal/dry skin:
http://www.naturalskincare.com/rosepdct.html

They are castille soaps, but there is no longer any "soap" in them, because they have been saponified. Castille soaps generally have a very high PH, but these products have an added acidic ingredient (citric acid) to bring down the PH to a neutral level. I have found them both to be great cleansers without any drying or irritation and they don't harm the skin barrier.
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RedCatWaves... still interested in a Cetaphil alternative suggestion. I've tried cleansers that contain "gentle" detergents & the concentration is what caused it to dry my face out. Maybe you are applying the typical SLS & ALS properties to all products that contain them without regard to concentration?

Also, where did you hear/read that it breaks down the skin barrier? I have not been able to find any thing.

There are studies that prove that SLS and SLES break down the skin's acid mantle and lead to irritation. You can probably find them at pubmed.com if you do a search for "skin barrier detergent". Detergents were originally invented as an alternative to soaps for many reasons, one of which is because they are gentler to the skin than soaps, which have a very alkaline PH level. However, detergents are still irritating. Especially to those who are acne prone. Once you break down the skin barrier/acid mantle, it leaves the skin open to bacteria and irritation, which can lead to acne.

I had been on the hunt for a detergent-free neutral-PH cleanser for literally YEARS. They are few and far between. Most people who cannot tolerate detergents or soaps resort to oils for skin cleansing, but that didn't work for me either, since I am acne prone.

I currently use a cleanser made by: http://www.naturalskincare.com/

This one is for Oily skin: http://www.naturalskincare.com/wheatgermpdct.html

and this one is for normal/dry skin:
http://www.naturalskincare.com/rosepdct.html

They are castille soaps, but there is no longer any "soap" in them, because they have been saponified. Castille soaps generally have a very high PH, but these products have an added acidic ingredient (citric acid) to bring down the PH to a neutral level. I have found them both to be great cleansers without any drying or irritation and they don't harm the skin barrier.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Bogus! First off, the one for oily skin has coconut oil in it--a number 4 on the comedogenic scale!!!
SLS = sodium lauryl sulfate

SLS is very irritating to my skin. I've recelty started using a detergent free (as far as I can tell) cleanser and my acne prone skin has never been better. It also has some essential oils and castor oil in it but they don't cause mme any problems and my acne was so bad at one point I was taking Accutane to treat it. My skin has also never been this soft.

I'm using the softening facial cleanser from www.nakedbodycare.co.uk although I buy it in Boots. A little goes a long way too. I emailed the company and the facial cleanser has a pH level roughly the same as skin.
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Are there any bad ingredients in there (from the zerozits.com list)?

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