Eyeliner recs please

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Eyeliner is my staple. I wear it everywhere - even just around the house. Never know who's going to show up at the door or when you gotta make a run.

I have small, deep-set eyes, so I wear more eyeliner than the average person. I've been wearing a mix of L'oreal Raven and Mocha eyeshadows as my eyeliner because they give a great smoky look. I also have a Meow eyeliner, but, as beautiful as it is, it's just too messy.

I'm looking for a pencil liner. I've used pencil liners in the past, but they don't "smoke" as well as powder, and they don't seem to last as long on my eyes. I'm looking for very dark brown/black or blackest black, and the ability to create a smoky line is crucial. I loathe harsh lines since I have to wear so much just to make my eyes visible.

I've tried putting the powder line on before the foundation, but that doesn't work for me. That Meow liner smudges so deeply and darkly, that I still looked like a raccoon even after using eye makeup remover and then applying my concealer and foundation over the top. I had dark shadows under my eyes anyway.

Any suggestions are appreciated.
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Last edited by Honeycurls; 11-08-2011 at 09:52 PM. Reason: grammar
Mac Kohl in Smoulder
Milani Liquif'Eye in Black
NYX Creme Shadowstick in Black Bean
Illamasqua medium pencil (I haven't tried this one, but it looks super smudgeable).
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Thanks, PTNB. I knew I could count on you! Are those listed in any particular order?
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e.l.f. (available at Target now) makes a great waterproof liquid pen and comes in coffee bean and black and I think they are $1. They last a couple of months each. They have a three-piece pencil set for $3 and a 5-piece kit with regular pencils and liquid liner in two or three colors for $5. I want to say black, coffee and navy?
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I use Prestige Automatic Waterproof eyeliner. I hate sharpening pencil liners so I like that this one is a twist up. It's under $6 at Ulta and comes in 8ish colors.

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Thanks, PTNB. I knew I could count on you! Are those listed in any particular order?
Originally Posted by Honeycurls
I listed them first rec to last rec, top to bottom. The only reason Illamasqua is last is because I haven't tried it myself. But from the looks of this video, Illamasqua pencils are awesome. They seem to smudge out really well just with a fluffy brush (nevermind the makeup look itself): Illamasqua Skin Sketching colour tutorial: An Illamasqua School Of Make-up Art Technique - YouTube
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Originally Posted by Honeycurls
I listed them first rec to last rec, top to bottom. The only reason Illamasqua is last is because I haven't tried it myself. But from the looks of this video, Illamasqua pencils are awesome. They seem to smudge out really well just with a fluffy brush (nevermind the makeup look itself): Illamasqua Skin Sketching colour tutorial: An Illamasqua School Of Make-up Art Technique - YouTube
Originally Posted by PhoenixThNuBlak
I went to MAC today and bought a Kohl Power Feline pencil. The associate thought it had more staying power, as the Smolder is really soft and great for smudging, but has no staying power. I bought a 228 brush for smudging, and I love this duo so far. Very nice, great smudge, has lasted fairly well.

Those Illamasqua pencils look amazing! I'll have to look into those as well. I hope they're more affordable than the MAC pencils, but somehow I doubt it! Thanks again!
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I am exactly like you except I only wear blackest black. I love Mac's smoulder but it's true it doesn't have much staying power especially for my oily lids. I always use a primer and then use the mac angle brush and sometimes put black eyeshadow over it to help. I use smoulder when I go out at night since it only needs to last a few hours, so far for me, it's the blackest black.

For work and during the day I use urban decays 24 hour zero pencil. It's good. By the end of the day it's still on for the most part(not as fresh as the morning) which is pretty good for me. I wish it was darker but it's the darkest I can find that works for me. I've tried liquid but I don't have steady hand and I always need the angle brush to smooth it out.
I am exactly like you except I only wear blackest black. I love Mac's smoulder but it's true it doesn't have much staying power especially for my oily lids. I always use a primer and then use the mac angle brush and sometimes put black eyeshadow over it to help. I use smoulder when I go out at night since it only needs to last a few hours, so far for me, it's the blackest black.

For work and during the day I use urban decays 24 hour zero pencil. It's good. By the end of the day it's still on for the most part(not as fresh as the morning) which is pretty good for me. I wish it was darker but it's the darkest I can find that works for me. I've tried liquid but I don't have steady hand and I always need the angle brush to smooth it out.
Originally Posted by Josephine
Ok, let's try this again...first response wouldn't take.

I have really pale skin, and that's the only reason I usually avoid the blackest black liners, but the MAC Kohl Power Feline is a blackest black liner, and I love it so far. I haven't had occasion to wear it a full day, though. The 228 brush the associate suggested for smudging works pretty well, but, like I suspected, it's a bit thick and I don't have the level of control over the thickness of the smudge line that I like. She kept suggesting a pointy smudger brush also, and I wish I would have trusted her.

I don't like the harsh lines of liquids, but I have to say that the MAC associate had liquid liner on, and her makeup was flawless. If I'd had, I'd have had her do my makeup. She looked phenomenal.

The pencil does accumulate in the corners of the my eyes, like even the powders do, so I haven't found a way to combat that problem yet. Probably never will, outside of using a liquid liner only.

Next question: Any good sharpeners that don't simply eat up your pencil without even giving a good sharp point? One that doesn't give the pencil such a steep slant.
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So, Phoenix...no sharpener recs?
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Last edited by Honeycurls; 11-16-2011 at 05:27 PM.
I like the dual sharpener I got from Sephora. It has a small opening and a large opening, and it's covered to catch the shavings. I'm not sure how steep a slant you want, but the slant this sharpener leaves seems OK to me. And it sharpens to a nice fine point.
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I like the dual sharpener I got from Sephora. It has a small opening and a large opening, and it's covered to catch the shavings. I'm not sure how steep a slant you want, but the slant this sharpener leaves seems OK to me. And it sharpens to a nice fine point.
Originally Posted by PhoenixThNuBlak
Thanks for checking back! I'll look into this. I just hate how sharpeners all seem to have the primary purpose of shaving large slices off the pencil "leads" and a secondary purpose of sharpening the point--resulting in a decrease in the useable pencil 'cause it all goes into the garbage as shavings. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! Thanks!
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^^^Yeah, I hate that too.
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Damn, I really want to try those Illamasqua pencils because they also have a great dark brown/black and fantastic smudgeability. Ugh, I may have to make it a Merry-xmas-to-me gift. They come from the UK, so I'm sure the shipping is going to be obscene along with their own inherently high price. The *other* price of beauty!
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A lot of their colors aren't shipped to the U.S. Instead I'm trying to swap for some on MakeupAlley. I'll look on Ebay too.
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I put my eyeliner pencils in the freezer before sharpening. It makes a big difference. I don't waste the pencil and I get a decent point.
I like the dual sharpener I got from Sephora. It has a small opening and a large opening, and it's covered to catch the shavings. I'm not sure how steep a slant you want, but the slant this sharpener leaves seems OK to me. And it sharpens to a nice fine point.
Originally Posted by PhoenixThNuBlak
Thanks for checking back! I'll look into this. I just hate how sharpeners all seem to have the primary purpose of shaving large slices off the pencil "leads" and a secondary purpose of sharpening the point--resulting in a decrease in the useable pencil 'cause it all goes into the garbage as shavings. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya! Thanks!
Originally Posted by Honeycurls
I totally forgot about depotting eyeliners. You could try it, which would prevent wasting of the pencil "lead." Some products can be depotted, but I'm not sure if all can. Just an idea.
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What is depotting eyeliners?

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Depotting is removing a product from its pot/pan. It can be done with eyeshadows/blushes, etc., to make your own palettes. You can also depot jumbo creamshadow stix (like NYX) into little jars.
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A lot of their colors aren't shipped to the U.S. Instead I'm trying to swap for some on MakeupAlley. I'll look on Ebay too.
Originally Posted by PhoenixThNuBlak
Good idea...as much as I Ebay myself, I always forget to look there.

I put my eyeliner pencils in the freezer before sharpening. It makes a big difference. I don't waste the pencil and I get a decent point.
Originally Posted by crimsonshedemon
Good idea! Thanks!

What is depotting eyeliners?

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Originally Posted by curlybran
Haha, I was going to ask this, but I just Googled it instead. Looks like it's not something that involves pencils--just makeup items that come in pots--like eyeshadow or blush. Or...are you talking about something different, P?
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