Say It, I Dare You ~ Makeup/Beauty Style

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Goodness... most women that work the makeup counter do not really know the first thing about makeup. But it's pretty comical watching and listening to them pretend. And a red undertone seems to be a foreign concept to some of them.. not everyone has a yellow or olive undertone...SMH. And not every WOC wears NC45...
Originally Posted by *Marah*
It's the exact opposite for me. I'm ALWAYS matched in the NW range (NW45..the universal MAC black girl color) when I'm really NC47. I honestly think that people look at the depth of the skin tone and assume all lighter skinned WOC MUST be NC and all darker skinned WOC MUST be NW. There's a reason that some lighter skinned WOC are refered to as "high yellow" and some are "red bones"! Just because my brown skin is deeper doesn't make it redder. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for people (espically makeup artists) to understand!

The last time I let a makeup artist try to match me for foundation, I made her do half my face with the color she kept telling me I was (NW45) and the color I said I was (NC47) and then took her outside to view them. Side by side it was OBVIOUS that the NW45 was WAY too red while the NC47 was a perfect match.
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Last edited by claudine19; 06-06-2012 at 11:45 AM.
It's the exact opposite for me. I'm ALWAYS matched in the NW range (NW45..the universal MAC black girl color) when I'm really NC47. I honestly think that people look at the depth of the skin tone and assume all lighter skinned WOC MUST be NC and all darker skinned WOC MUST be NW. There's a reason that some lighter skinned WOC are refered to as "high yellow" and some are "red bones"! Just because my brown skin is deeper doesn't make it redder. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for people (espically makeup artists) to understand!

The last time I let a makeup artist try to match me for foundation, I made her do half my face with the color she kept telling me I was (NW45) and the color I said I was (NC47) and then took her outside to view them. Side by side it was OBVIOUS that the NW45 was WAY too red while the NC47 was a perfect match.
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
This is EXACTLY what I see happening. You put it much better. I don't know why they don't think a dark skinned POC can't have yellow undertones. Frankly, I think most AA POC do have yellow undertones rather than red.. and that's whether they are light, medium, or dark.

I actually don't find many AA women that are light brown like me that actually do have a red undertone. I see a lot of Middle Eastern and Native women my complexion with a red undertone but not many AA women at all no matter how dark. Now I do see women from Africa with a red undertone often though. I think it just goes back to what a lot of the store clerks and some makeup artists are just taught about darker skin.. if the black woman is dark her undertone is red..if she's light or in the middle..it's yellow. And that's wrong in many cases.
Goodness... most women that work the makeup counter do not really know the first thing about makeup. But it's pretty comical watching and listening to them pretend. And a red undertone seems to be a foreign concept to some of them.. not everyone has a yellow or olive undertone...SMH. And not every WOC wears NC45...
Originally Posted by *Marah*
It's the exact opposite for me. I'm ALWAYS matched in the NW range (NW45..the universal MAC black girl color) when I'm really NC47. I honestly think that people look at the depth of the skin tone and assume all lighter skinned WOC MUST be NC and all darker skinned WOC MUST be NW. There's a reason that some lighter skinned WOC are refered to as "high yellow" and some are "red bones"! Just because my brown skin is deeper doesn't make it redder. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for people (espically makeup artists) to understand!

The last time I let a makeup artist try to match me for foundation, I made her do half my face with the color she kept telling me I was (NW45) and the color I said I was (NC47) and then took her outside to view them. Side by side it was OBVIOUS that the NW45 was WAY too red while the NC47 was a perfect match.
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
OK, wait - in which formulation if this nc47 available? I just did a search and came back with nothing. This might be something for me to investigate.
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What exactly is meant by "high yellow" and "red bones"? I ask because a MOC once called me, a white redhead, "high yellow" and I wasn't sure what he meant.
Originally Posted by claudine19
The man may have thought you were a mixed race woman with red hair because it's not a term that POC usually call white people.

High yellow was originally a derogatory term that was used to describe biracial (black and white) people that have very light skin. Given now it's not limited to biracial race individuals..it could simply be a light skinned black person with two black parents. It denotes a very prominent light yellow appearance to the skin.

Red Bone is another term for a lighter skinned black person but they aren't quite as light as a yellow bone and often have a reddish or much deeper or dark olive undertone. I believe originally it meant a lighter skinned mixed race person with some sort of Native American and black heritage.

Personally, I don't like either term. I don't care what spin someone puts on them..they are derogatory to me and it used to bug the mess out of me when MOC would refer to me as a "red bone".
I've never heard that "high yellow" and "red bone" started out as derogatory terms...I've never heard them used as such. I know that some people take offense to them, but that doesn't make them derogatory in thier origins. Then again, I've never been refered to as either so ...*shrugs*
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Goodness... most women that work the makeup counter do not really know the first thing about makeup. But it's pretty comical watching and listening to them pretend. And a red undertone seems to be a foreign concept to some of them.. not everyone has a yellow or olive undertone...SMH. And not every WOC wears NC45...
Originally Posted by *Marah*
It's the exact opposite for me. I'm ALWAYS matched in the NW range (NW45..the universal MAC black girl color) when I'm really NC47. I honestly think that people look at the depth of the skin tone and assume all lighter skinned WOC MUST be NC and all darker skinned WOC MUST be NW. There's a reason that some lighter skinned WOC are refered to as "high yellow" and some are "red bones"! Just because my brown skin is deeper doesn't make it redder. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for people (espically makeup artists) to understand!

The last time I let a makeup artist try to match me for foundation, I made her do half my face with the color she kept telling me I was (NW45) and the color I said I was (NC47) and then took her outside to view them. Side by side it was OBVIOUS that the NW45 was WAY too red while the NC47 was a perfect match.
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
OK, wait - in which formulation if this nc47 available? I just did a search and came back with nothing. This might be something for me to investigate.
Originally Posted by redlipstick
NC47 is a MAC pro shade, so that might be why you can't find it. I've only seen it in the studio fix powder, so I ended up mixing NC45 and NC50 in liquid foundation to get a match (or use MUFE 173 which was a perfect match). However, I no longer use MAC foundation so I guess it's a moot point...lol. I've heard lots of women fall between NC45 and NC50 (the same with NW45 and NW50) so maybe MAC will step its game up and cover this gap.
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OK, wait - in which formulation if this nc47 available? I just did a search and came back with nothing. This might be something for me to investigate.
Originally Posted by redlipstick
NC47 is a MAC pro shade, so that might be why you can't find it. I've only seen it in the studio fix powder, so I ended up mixing NC45 and NC50 in liquid foundation to get a match (or use MUFE 173 which was a perfect match). However, I no longer use MAC foundation so I guess it's a moot point...lol. I've heard lots of women fall between NC45 and NC50 (the same with NW45 and NW50) so maybe MAC will step its game up and cover this gap.
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
Thanks - I am off to call my local Pro store!
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Thank you for answering.

I always wondered if it was his way of calling me pale, but since it was a fairly "emerging" neighborhood (read: crummy passing as "arty"), the "high" part didn't make sense.

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I've never heard that "high yellow" and "red bone" started out as derogatory terms...I've never heard them used as such. I know that some people take offense to them, but that doesn't make them derogatory in thier origins. Then again, I've never been refered to as either so ...*shrugs*
Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown

Any older black folks I ever knew growing up always told me those terms started out as derogatory... high yellow was a nasty quip at mulattos back in the day.

This wikipedia article is interesting..don't know how true it is..but it might support what you are saying:
High yellow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interestingly, I read that the "N-Word" wasn't originally meant to be derogatory either.. but now most people look at it that way.. go figure. To me the n word, high yellow, and red bone are offensive..and are all ways to make POC look ...nevermind. I just don't like any of the terms.
I did Google it, but still couldn't make sense of what made him apply it to me, and had always wondered.

It's probably mostly pointless to try to understand random strangers.

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FYI for all the drugstore makeup lovers...CVS is running an unadertised clearance sell....a lot of items are 50-75% off. I just racked up on nail polish, eye shadow brushes, and eye makeup remover. Also, if you scan your CVS card, you can get a $4 off $12 beauty purchase coupon (the coupon prints DAILY, keep scanning your card until it tells you there are no more deals for the day) so you can really rack up if you play your cards right.

The blog Nouveau Cheap has a running master list of all the items that readers have reported are on sale. Also just a note, the CVS near my house didn't have up tags, but the items scanned for the clearance price so use that red box scanner!!!
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Dear Sephora: it doesn't help when you send me event notices TWO DAYS AFTER the event has taken place! thank you!

(p.s. MAC people used to match me to NW20 forever and it did nothing for me. once i switched to NC, i found i looked WAY better!)
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Paying 27 bucks for foundation sucks in my opinion...but I guess I have to cut my losses and stop being cheap.
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Aargh, would someone please tell me what brand of paint brushes it was that someone recommended for makeup? It was in a thread a year ago. I cannot remember. I need a few new brushes and thought now was the time to try.

Or, if anyone has had a good experience with using paint brushes as makeup brushes, please spill it.

Think I could replace my beloved powder brush?
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Last edited by redlipstick; 07-04-2012 at 09:52 AM.
Aargh, would someone please tell me what brand of paint brushes it was that someone recommended for makeup? It was in a thread a year go. I cannot remember. I need afew new brushes and thought now was the time to try.

Or, if anyone has had a good experience with using paint brushes as makeup brushes, please spill it.

Think I could replace my beloved powder brush?
Originally Posted by redlipstick
Lowe Cornell paint brushes are the ones that everyone uses. Go on YouTube and check out enkoremakeup, he has a video that gives all the Lowe Cornell brushes and the MAC equivalent.


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Aargh, would someone please tell me what brand of paint brushes it was that someone recommended for makeup? It was in a thread a year go. I cannot remember. I need afew new brushes and thought now was the time to try.

Or, if anyone has had a good experience with using paint brushes as makeup brushes, please spill it.

Think I could replace my beloved powder brush?
Originally Posted by redlipstick
Lowe Cornell paint brushes are the ones that everyone uses. Go on YouTube and check out enkoremakeup, he has a video that gives all the Lowe Cornell brushes and the MAC equivalent.


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Originally Posted by Nappy_curly_crown
Thanks! I found him on a google search but wanted to confirm.
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Last edited by claudine19; 07-06-2012 at 09:55 AM. Reason: correction

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