UPDATED Replacing GCC from PSF (totally necessary)

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If you like the Gentle Cleansing Castile and don't want them to discontinue it, please send PSF an email expressing your concerns. I did, and got this reply from them: (I complained about the GCC being discontinued, and they offered to send me a sample of the new replacement bar, which I accepted in a second email, and also asked them for a sample of the Gentle Foaming cleanser as well, which they are sending). Maybe if enough of us complain, they'll bring it back.

Thank you again for your email. Yes I will be happy to send you a sample
of the PSFpro Gentle Foaming Cleanser as well. Thanks again for your
comments & your inquiry. Our customers opinions are very important to us
and we really do take them into account.
They did respond, but the problem is I have zero interest in a bar soap.
The foaming cleanser is nice, but I'll be done with it in a couple more months tops and it's almost double the price of the GCC.
I received my "samples" of the Gentle Foaming Cleanser and the new Gentle Cleansing Bar. They sent me full size, rather than sample sizes, so I'll be able to give both a good assessment.

The bar says that it's pH neutral, non-drying, and won't harm the skin barrier. I'm willing to give it a try. I'll report back in a few weeks on it's effectiveness and on how long it lasts. I don't yet see the bar for sale on the website, so I don't know how much it will be.

The Foaming Cleanser is on the site already, and, while it is more expensive than the discontinued Castile Cleanser, if it gives me good results, I'd probably be willing to buy it...on sale of course. PSF runs 50% off sales about twice a year, usually once in the summer, and on Cyber Monday in November, so that's when I stock up.
My skin has not been as clear as it normally was. I can't help thinking that it's the change in cleanser. I'm not terribly broken out, but I'm just not clear as I was most of the time (outside of when I'd have my period).
RCW, which cleanser from Garden of Wisdom did you say was a good one? I'm either going that route or Diana Yvonne.
I'm down to my last little bit and I bought some cleanser from Costco to try after it's gone. It's their name but has Borghese on the label, no idea what's in it because reading a product label would just make my eyes go cross because I have no idea what the hell is good or bad.




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I've decided that I'll never get down to my original weight, and I'm OK with that--After all, 8 pounds 2 oz. is just not realistic.
Gardenofwisdom has several castile cleansers that would work...just look for the ones with the 5.5 pH.

DianaYvonne.com 's castile is good too.

I've been using the PSF foaming cleanser for a couple weeks now. I like it...I REALLY like it. My skin is better than ever. But, it is expensive for how quickly I'll go through it, because I have to wash with it at least twice to get all my makeup off.

I haven't tried the bar yet.
Gardenofwisdom has several castile cleansers that would work...just look for the ones with the 5.5 pH.

DianaYvonne.com 's castile is good too.

I've been using the PSF foaming cleanser for a couple weeks now. I like it...I REALLY like it. My skin is better than ever. But, it is expensive for how quickly I'll go through it, because I have to wash with it at least twice to get all my makeup off.

I haven't tried the bar yet.
Originally Posted by RedCatWaves
Thanks. Is the castor oil problematic at all? I'm trying to decide between with or without castor oil.
DianaYvonne's list leaves me with the AHA as having 5.5 PH and no detergents. The rose hip one is listed as being for normal to dry skin, so that makes me a bit cautious.
Personally, I'd skip the castor, because oils break me out. If you're not acne-prone from oils and need the moisture, you might like the castor. You could get samples of both and see which you like.
I'll probably skip it. I am apprehensive about oils (which is why I will not do OCM ever). Thanks.
Which Diane Yvonne cleansers are castile?

EDIT: Never mind, I found the ingredients lists on the site.


Here's a question. Garden of Wisdom doesn't list the pH of many of its cleansers. Of the ones with the pH listed, only the Mild N' Clean Castile Cleanser has a pH of 5.5. However, I'm leery of the orange oil in it. In contrast, the plain old Castile Cleanser has a higher pH of 5.6, but its ingredients seem more skin-friendly. RCW, I need your guidance! What do you suggest?

Last edited by Eilonwy; 03-10-2012 at 10:40 AM.
I got the white Castile figuring 5.6 was fine. I'm also going to try the DianaYvonne AHA cleanser since it's 5.5 PH, no detergents, and all the ingredients seem fine (it does have oils, but I'm up for trying it).
Basically forehead's been broken out for a month now. I'm fine with a few since I work with a bandanna and I'm sure that contributes, but I've never had this bad a breakout in all the years I've used the GCC. They're small, so not terribly noticeable, but definitely out of the norm. I've also had some small zits on my cheeks. Not quite as much as my forehead, but also more than I'm used to. The only change is PSF's foaming cleanser instead of the GCC.
Okay, so I ordered a sample of Garden of Wisdom's Castile Cleanser, without castor oil.

In the meantime, I'm trying out Earthscience's Clarifying Face Wash. It has a pH of 5.0 according to the company's website. And it's pretty cheap, about $10 for 8 fl oz. That's comparable to Neutrogena.

I'm curious about whether the cleansers may be too harsh, and if the humectants could be effective. I've listed the ingredients below, with cleansers in red and humectants in blue.

Ingredients:
Aqueous Infusion of Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice,
Disodium Cocoamphodi-acetate,
Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate,
Disodium Laureth Sulfosuccinate,
Cocamidopropyl Betaine,

Glycerin,
Panthenol,
Peg-150 Distearate,
Cucumis Sativus (Cucumber) Fruit Extract,
Rosemarinus Officinalus (Rosemary) Leaf Extract,
Ascorbic Acid,
Betula Alba (Birch) Bark Extract,
Sodium Hyaluronate [hyarulonic acid],
Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Extract,
Macrocystis Pyrifera (Kelp) Extract,
Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Extract,
Zinc Sulfate,
Citric Acid,
Potassium Sorbate,
Phenoxyethanol,
Fragrance (Parfum).

Last edited by Eilonwy; 03-11-2012 at 11:25 AM.
Here I'll be posting a ~ Saga of Reviews ~ for Earthscience's Clarifying Face Wash.

I'm switching from Neutrogena Oil-Free Acne Wash (hereafter NOA) to Earthscience Clarifying Face Wash (hereafter EFW). I have very oily skin. And since it's winter, my skin is both oily and dry, in the same areas, at the same time. This is a recipe for billions of blackheads, clogged pores, and the occasional whitehead. I hope that the EFW will thoroughly wash my skin without over-drying it, while also reducing oiliness, blackheads, and mild acne. Yes, that's a tall order. But I'm really just looking for some improvement over NOA.

Day 1: 3/11
I washed my face with NOA, my old standby, just before heading to the store and buying EFW. Once I got home, I washed my face with EFW.

EFW is a gel that produces very low sudsing. It has a mild citrusy fragrance. Compared to NOA, it feels smother on the face, but isn't as concentrated. I'll have to figure out how much EFW it takes to wash my face. My skin wasn't too oily, since I had just used NOA about half an hour before. But EFW seemed like an effective cleaner.

Instead of washing off completely, EFW left behind a very light, slightly sticky residue that quickly dried. As I'm typing this half an hour later, my skin feels less dried out than it does with NOA. I think EFW is less stripping than NOA, more moisturizing, or both. Or at least, that's my first impression!

Day 2: 3/12
So far, EFW has done a good job of cleaning my face without drying it out. It's very lightly moisturizing, and it's made my skin feel smooth despite the cold, dry weather. Also, I'm not sure if this is from EFW, but it seems to have loosened the oil plugs in my nose. Yesterday afternoon, they plugs looked like they were on the surface, instead of under a very thin layer of skin. They were easily extracted. I think this is due to EFW being moisturizing enough to keep dry skin from building up. My only complaint is that it's not as concentrated as NOA. Still, the concentration is decent. I'm very happy with EFW right now, but I've still yet to see how well it works in the long term.

Last edited by Eilonwy; 03-12-2012 at 11:34 AM.
FWIW, I find CeraVe foaming cleanser to be comparable to PSF's GCC...also much cheaper and readily available.
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Quick question:
Is it normal for pH-adjusted castile soap to leave skin feeling "coated" after it's rinsed off?
Okay, so right now I'm using Garden of Wisdom's Castile Cleanser (White). The cleanser I posted about before was nice, but I really wanted to try this one out! You'll find this on the GoW site if you click Castor/Castile Cleanser, since this is a version of that cleanser that leaves out the castor oil.

Nuking my skin with harsh products used to be the most effective way to deal with my oiliness and acne. But recently, this approach started making my skin dry and flaky, without combating the oil or zits. So, this is my attempt at using a gentler cleanser.

The Castile Cleanser is decently concentrated: a pea-sized amount is easily enough for the whole face. Using it is kind of weird, though. It doesn't rinse clean, and instead leaves skin feeling kind of coated. I'm not sure why that is, since the only ingredients are water, castile soap, citric acid, and Optiphen (a preservative). I thought that maybe my skin felt like that because the soap didn't clean away all the oil. But thoroughly washing my face twice in a row didn't change anything.

Anyway, it leaves my skin feeling very soft. I'll have to wait and see if it improves my skin, ruins it, or doesn't really make a difference.
^I have the same thoughts! It kind of freaks me out how coated my skin feels. I'll have to wait longer to see true effects, but already I like the way my skin feels and looks better than with the PSF foaming cleanser.
If the GoW castile fails me, I have DY's AHA cleanser for when I finish or stop using GoW's.
Well, I've given up on the GoW Castile Cleanser. I'll be sticking with the Earthscience cleanser I posted about earlier.

Stick with me, this is relevant... I use a prescription AHA cream on my face each night. If I'm lazy the next day and put off washing my face, it eventually makes my eyes sting a little. The stinging stops as soon as I wash my face.

This afternoon, despite vigorously washing my face with GoW in the morning, my eyes were still stinging from the AHA. And my face was gunky, oily, and generally unpleasant to the touch. In other words, the GoW wasn't really cleaning my face.

I then used Earthscience, and my face finally felt more like skin than gunk. But it still took repeated washing and scrubbing to really clean my face. The combination of GoW residue, sebum, and AHA cream really stuck to my skin. It got to the point where I was a little freaked out by the difficulty of removing it.

And that's why I definitely won't be using the GoW again, even as a body wash. But I'm still happy with the Earthscience. It cleans thoroughly, but is ever-so-slightly moisturizing in a way that doesn't exacerbate oiliness. It's like an incredibly light application of aloe gel. Hopefully it won't sucker punch me with some kind of weird skin disaster.
I looked up on some reviews on GoW's castile cleanser after posting and it seems most people say it doesn't clean your face, so I'm apprehensive. I can use it as a body wash at least, but after reading the reviews and now your post, I'm afraid that after a while my skin will get clogged up. I think I'll just go ahead and start using DianaYvonne.
I really appreciate y'all taking the time to share your experiences with the new things you're trying. I've probably got a week left on my PSF then I start using the stuff I bought at Costco. Have mercy I hope my face doesn't go crazy.




Byron,GA> Charleston, SC> Jacksonville, FL> Guilford, CT> Rohnert Park, CA! A southern drawl in sunny Cali! .
The amount of time from slipping on the peel and landing on the pavement is exactly one bananosecond.
I do have a secret yen for pink in unexpected places. ~ninja dog
I've decided that I'll never get down to my original weight, and I'm OK with that--After all, 8 pounds 2 oz. is just not realistic.

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