A Beginners inventory.....ugh

So I have been reading your blogs/posts, and trying to figure out where to even start. Here are the items that I currently own. My goals for my hair is to come home from work and have my hair look as nice as it did in the morning.

Currently have in the shower
:
Biosilk Shampoo
Biolsilk Conditioner
Aussie Moist 2n1 Shampoo
Loereal Everstrong Reconstructor Conditioner (sulphate free)
Nexxus Humectress
Suave Naturals Coconut Shampoo
Pantene Curly Treatment, Deep Conditioning
In the product drawer:
Smooth Shine Polishing Curl Mousse
Pantene ProV Curl Defining Scrunching Mousse
Marc Anthony Strictly Curls Anti Frizz Balm
Herbal Essences None of your Frizziness Leave in Creme
John Frieda Extra strength hair serum
John Frieda Extra strength night cream repair
Lastly: Aussie Sprunch spray

My current method is a wash & condition every day. Twice a week deep condition or reconstruct.
Not towel drying, not brushing, not flat ironing or blowing out straight (any more)I then add the hair serum from the ends to mid way up. I then add the leave in conditioner, mixed with water with my hands. I have never plopped, but will try, instead I have been scrunching and drying to about half dry, spraying a TON of Sprunch Spray. My curls will form, although they look wet and are crunchy. These are my two least favorite things. I would like them to be nice without looking wet and crunchy, but every other thing I have tried leaves me with "big" frizzy hair after the first big wind. My hair definitely does not like to be "messed" with at all after dry. I am open to all suggestions on what reasonably priced products to start with, what to just dump all together, and some other method for styling that doesn't leave me crunchy. I have the next five days off of work and would like to practice with some new items/methods. I think I am a 2a, although my curls underneath seem to be more 3a. My hair is fine, and fairly thin. The top seems to be my "worst" place, partially because it has been pulled back so much.
Hello and welcome!

Ok so here's a few things that I'm Noticing:

You don't like crunch
You don't like the "wet Look"
You want beautiful hair :P (who doesnt right?) hehe

here's my humble opinion:
I see from your product list that you're still using 'poo.... If you're not willing to stop using shampoo altogether, i would suggest not using it every day, or at least coating your hair with conditioner before applying shampoo.

secondly, have you ever tried going without any leave in? from my understanding and research, what our hair (and i include myself because i too have fine hair) fine and looser curls, need less conditioning and more encouragement :P. That being said, if you like the results of your products, but they give you crunch, you could just scrunch it out! simply flip your head over, and scrunch your hair, results: crunch, GONE!!

as far as what products to use or not, im still experimenting myself,even though i have a fairly good idea of what works, you have to experiment a lot to see what your hair likes or dislikes. what i did, to give you a starting point, is when you go and see on more info on your hairtype, theres a list of what kind of products work best with that specific hairtype....

hope that helped!
3A Med texture, normal porosity and elasticity
CG since August 2010 and loving it
Currently loving: Giovanni's tea tree low 'poo(once a week), GVP Conditioning Balm or Nubian Heritage Coconut and Papaya Conditioner, Honey DT's, Honey in my gel:P
Style: Gel Biosilk's Hardrock Gelee(my HG) OR Beyond The Zone Noodle Head Curl Mousse or Alba Botanical Strong Hold Gel


Loves me some VOLUME So no clumps here, Thanks!
If you want to improve your hair, you've come to the right place. One of the first things you need to decide is if you want to follow some type of the Curly Girl regime. Many of us do. The most important part is giving up sulfate shampoo and silicones in your products. (It's a vicious cycle, you need the sulfate to remove the cones.) Many of us do a modified regime (I use natural soap bars for cleansing, my hair does better with this then cowashing.)

You need to discover your texture and porosity, it's MUCH more important then curl type. Here's a link to help: Texture, Porosity, and other Hair Type Madness It will lead you to Struttswife's website. Her ebook is a great investment--all of the information in one place. Once you discover your hair properties, look for folks with hair like yours and see what they use (most have it in their signature) and what they do.

It's all about getting the right balance between the moisture and the protein. I started out as a winter wavy/summer 3a. Your under layer is curlier then my hair was when I started (even in the summer.) Now my hair looks like my signature picture all year around. My hair prefers the more natural products. I buy mostly online from the "boutique" type companies. It's been well worth it.

Good luck on your curly journey.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Thank you so much. Going now to check out my texture and porosity. I am willing to give up everything on my list to have curls like you. I just not sure what to give up first. The way I read your suggestions is that I need to give them all up at one time. I can't keep using the styling products and go poo free, I shouldn't get new products and continue to poo. I see the cycle. So now the search begins, so that in addition to the current products that need to be trashed I don't end up with a drawer full of new, more expensive things I don't like.
My issue with the "crunch" is doing what you suggest, flipping my head and scrunching (after it is dry) completely destroys my curls, and I look like a wild woman. People complain they have a hard time not touching their hair during the drying time. I have a no touch rule after it is dry!!
I have been trying a leave in conditioner, but looking at the product listing, it appears to be a no-no as well, although I have been having better results with it than the with the serum/silk type products.
Well I better go study up, and see what I can buy locally so that I can actually start this adventure this week.
Today I am thankful for all of you all and your advice!
My hair doesn't care for gel (the chemicals add to the frizz.) I use "jelly" products (my definition is gelatinous products without chemicals.) I wet and style every day, use a rinse out, leave in AND curl enhancer and a jelly product (in the summer it's leave in OR curl enhancer.) I rotate products, seldom using any one product more then twice a week. My hair is fine and LOVES protein. I do a PT at least once a week and use a lot of products with protein. Because I use really "rich" products, I don't have to DT.

Foundation for it all is a great haircut. After that, it's a toss up between the products and the technique. I feel that the products have done the job--the technique enhances it all. My hair is seldom crunchy, it sometimes needs a little scrunching to get rid of the "producty" look. I scrunch from underneath--when it's bone dry to release hair from scalp and eliminate the producty look.

Before throwing out all the products, look for the ones with silicone (just about anything that ends in 'one) and see if the shampoo has sulfate in it as the cleansing agent. I weaned myself from every day shampoo/conditioner to every three days, although I wet every day. (That was before I learned to use products three years ago.) By chance, I had been using "lowpoo" for years without knowing it. My hair always satiated on products, so I rotated 3/4 combinations.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Well it has been a week since I first stopped using 'cones' and began cowashing. I must say I feel like a addict. I need a fix, I want my cones and to fill my head with lots and lots of bubbles.
In all seriousness I had one of the worst hair weeks on record! At least two days I felt like a hormonal teenager with really greasy hair. It didn't seem greasy before I left for work (of course it was wet) but when it dried, it was gross. I have never had a greasy hair day in my life. One day all my spiral curls looked at if I had been in a convertible for the entire day.
What I learned about my hair this week:
  • it is fairly thin (thank goodness for curls!!)
  • it is medium fine (not baby)
  • it is porous, but not as porous as I thought
  • I NEED STYLING PRODUCTS, the only things I have left are oils and a couple of mousses (and I question some of those ingredients)
  • I like crunchy and fly away much more than greasy
  • I like to plop, it gives me time to do other things, and in about an hour my hair is mostly dry
  • No amount of clipping will give you volume if you have been dipped in vaseline.
So now the search begins for products. Do you all recommend buying the sample sizes before committing to the larger sizes, or buy the "drugstore" type products and then moving up?

What would be your top 3 styling recommendations?
I think I need a gel, a curl enhancer (for the parts that have been highlighted/lowlighted) and something else, just because I am a girl and I love to shop.......
Today, faced with the fact that I owned no styling products that didn't contain cones. I gave in to the urge to do something with my mop and coned. I am still struggling to determine which curl number I am so I read the right board. While I was out I did buy mousse, gel and two different deep conditioners. Just bought what I could find at Sally's and the drug store so probably not the best items, but it is a start. Tomorrow I will start again on my quest to be cone free.
Here are some photos of my hair today. Not great definition, still some fly aways, and feels a little like hay to the touch. Recommendations from the gurus?
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I think I am a 3b? but not sure
Fine/Thin
High Porosity
Colored
Cowashing: Suave Coconut
Conditioner: AO Honeysuckle Rose
DT/PT: GVP
Styling: FOE Aloe, honey, Vo5 tea tree conditioner and LaBella gel. Mixed together for my own glop mixture!

Last edited by Love/Hate Relationship; 12-03-2010 at 04:11 PM.
I'm definitely NOT a guru, but from my long time lurking here, I can tell you that your hair "type" (3b, 2a, etc) does not matter at all... Like the #3 comment above, I think it's so much more important to tend to your porosity, texture, etc. With that being said, I also don't think 9329 styling products are necessary. It's a lot easier to do a lot of research and find a FEW good products than to blindly purchase tons of them.

I know it can be really hard to break away from the cones, but it is an evil, vicious cycle! It provides very superficial short term relief, but in the end, I was always left worse off than before. I broke this cycle by doing a final sulfate shampoo, ACV rinse, and then deep conditioned.

I hope that helps and good luck!

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