Hi! New Member & Completely frustrated

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Hi everyone,

I'm a newbie poster, I have been a searching for over a year about how to manage my 3b Curly Spirally hair. So far I have failed, I have tried almost all of the methods out there. From the CG Method to mixed chicks to just some youtube methods. I know that the CG Method does work because it did fix the issues I have with frizz and has helped my hair grow and become more healthy. But now I just can't seem to make the curls look right. I have seen others profiles on here who have the same hair type as me. How do you get your curls to be loose and fall into place like that? I have been using the CG Method and I do like it a lot but I can't get the curls to loosen up. I have started to straighten my hair again because I couldn't get it to work right. I would really appreciate any help out there. Help me please!
How long is your hair? That may factor in how your curls look. Also try Jane Carter's curl defining cream. It's supposed to stretch your curls.
But to get the look, it's a combination of stylers. I have type 3b/c curls & this is the comb I use after either shampooing or co washing: 1. I spray in my leave in conditioner. 2. I seal my ends with the Shea moisture curl smoothie. 3. Use the curl milk from root to tip. 4.lastly, I too that with Softee conditioning gel. These steps make my curls pop & keep me frizz free. But I still rock the spikey look cuz my hair is short. But I roll with it & get plenty of compliments. I'm doing something right.
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The length is past my shoulders, almost to the middle of my back.
Plopping may help & dont touch your hair while it has gel in it & drying.
Welcome!

Can you post a photo of the problems and a link to a photo of what you think your hair should like? Also include the routine/ products you were using and your hair properties. Sorry but I have no real idea of what you mean by being 'loosen up' or looking right. What is wrong with 'tight' curls?

People get different curl 'shapes' from doing everything right side up OR everything upside down, also by plopping compared with gently squeezing out the excess water with a flour sack or microfibre towel, also by air drying compared with diffusing. Check out the techniques links in the stickies on the general haircare board.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Loose like this pic. But I might have to wait till its longer for that. I am currently using loreal's New sulfate free products.
There is nothing wrong with "tight" curls but my hair doesn't do that. If it did them that would be great but it doesn't.
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Last edited by Lanikai; 06-24-2013 at 02:17 AM.
Loose like this pic. But I might have to wait till its longer for that. I am currently using loreal's New sulfate free products.
There is nothing wrong with "tight" curls but my hair doesn't do that. If it did them that would be great but it doesn't.
Originally Posted by Lanikai
So if your curls are not loose and not tight what are they, and what precisely is wrong with it in your eyes? What are your hair properties and which specific L'Oreal products? We can't help if you are vague, L'Oreal manufacture hundreds of products, even the Ever- lines are pretty varied.

In general there is little in commercial products that 'nourishes' or deeply hydrates hair, it's well worth reading ingredients lists and choosing products based on your hair properties and dew points. See the Live Curly Live Free website or the stickies on the general haircare and newbies boards for properties and dew points.

For example I have porous colour treated hair so concentrate on coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides and panthenol plus basic emollients, a modest amount of humectants (attract water) make my hair softer and feel more 'moisturised', too much makes my hair frizzy. I also stick with pH 4.5 to 6 wherever possible because this is gentler on both skin and hair.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I will try what you are saying.

Last edited by Lanikai; 06-24-2013 at 10:53 AM.
When my hair is wet it looks like my pic below. Then when it starts to dry it gets tangled at the ends and the back of my hair. Then all of the looseness of my curls just become tangles. Which is why I am frustrated because I cannot figure out why it does that when it starts drying instead of staying the way it was when wet. Then if I add gel to it, it gets worse. I have been using mixed chicks products, but I just recently bought the loreal evercurl sulfate-free curl system. I just want to know if someone can inform me about what I am doing wrong that would cause my curls to tangle up in knots when it starts drying. I just want it to stay the way it looks when I wash it without the tangled knots. That is what I meant by it not being loose. From the image I posted before that is what it looks like when I get out of the shower. But I cannot get it to stop tangling up in knots at the ends of my hair when it starts to dry.
Sorry if it seems like I am being difficult but I just can't figure it out and its hard to explain.

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Last edited by Lanikai; 06-24-2013 at 10:57 AM.
When my hair is wet it looks like my pic below. Then when it starts to dry it gets tangled at the ends and the back of my hair. Then all of the looseness of my curls just become tangles. Which is why I am frustrated because I cannot figure out why it does that when it starts drying instead of staying the way it was when wet. Then is I add gel to it it gets worse.

I have been using mixed chicks products, but I just recently bought the loreal evercurl sulfate-free curl system. I just want to know if someone can inform me about what I am doing wrong that would cause my curls to tangle up in knots when it starts drying. I just want it to stay the way it looks when I wash it without the tangle knots. That is what I meant by it not being loose. From the image I posted before that is what it looks like when I get out of the shower. But I cannot get it to stop tangling up in knots at the ends of my hair when it starts to dry.
Sorry if it seems like I am being difficult but I just can't figure it out and its hard to explain.

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Originally Posted by Lanikai
The photos are really helpful, thank you. Shrinkage when drying is normal with stronger curl patterns, because the water is no longer weighing the hair down. Tangles suggests one or more of a number of possibilities
- hard water/ swimming, needs chelating
- product build up, needs clarifying
- hair is porous or damaged, needs way more moisturising/ conditioning and to be babied.

Also be aware that some leave in conditioners leave your hair super tangly when drying then soft and silky when 100% dry (can be the next day). When I first started wrecking my hair one of my habits was finger combing tangly damp hair, wasn't too many months before it started snapping off. I now know, don't comb wavy or curly hair except when dripping wet and slathered in conditioner. Years later, once I started reading ingredients lists, I realised another mistake I made was relying totally on silicones, my products contained few true conditioning agents or natural oils.

So you are adding gel to partly dry hair? Try adding your products to dripping wet hair as in the Curly Girl method. You might do better with a curl cream than a gel, or you can add an oil to your gel (DIY Ecystyler custard). Be sure you are using loads of leave in conditioner. Some ladies put small clips on the ends of their ringlets to weigh it down whilst it is drip drying. Also be sure you are raking or smoothing products through wet hair, THEN gently wrap and maybe gently twist and squeeze the lengths in a microfibre or flour sack towel to get the excess water out - maybe avoid turbans, you might find lots of flipping causes tangles.

Again which specific products from Mixed Chicks and Evercurl? Shampoo or cleansing conditioner? Leave in cream or rinse out conditioner or both? Silk & Gloss Oil or Sculpt & Hold cream-gel or both? If you are using the Sculpt & Hold cream-gel from the Evercurl line, that is rich in humectants including glycerin, these may dry out your hair in very high or low dew points. The Silk & Gloss oil is wall to wall silicones, it won't nourish or penetrate. Mixed Chicks is also failry heavy on the glycerin and silicones IIRC.

You may find you want richer/ heavier products to hold water in, weigh the hair down a little, forms more clumps. More in the way of fatty alcohols, penetrating oils, the silkier butters in your conditioners. For tangles look for pH 4.5 (helps cuticle lay flat) and one of the behentrimoniums (slippy) as one of the top five ingredients.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thank You! I appreciate the help and will post the results from your advice.
Have you tried protein treatments? I also wonder if you don't need richer products like the Shea moisture line.
Hi everyone! I am new here to NaturallyCurly! I am excited to find out a lot of information on styling my curl hair. I have 3B curly hair but after I had my daughter who has a beautiful head of curls...now the top of my hair doesn't want to get curly. When I use a diffuser it get a little more curly but it's find of straight wavy from my ear down I have nice ringlets of curly but someone I can't get it on the top of my head. Thanks guys!
What's a protein treatment?

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There is a recipe on the board for one or of you have a Sally's you can get something like Ion Reconstructer or
Effective Care. PT recipe - as promised

Protein treatments should be followed by deep conditioning. You can try it on just a strand first to see if it works for you. If you need protein it'll help add structure back into your hair.

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