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crofterica 07-06-2013 03:05 PM

Brand New and Need Help!
 
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Hi beautiful curlies!

I'm brand new to the curly girl method and have been completely curly for years (no straigtening) but had somehow never heard of not using sulfates and silicones!

Anyway, I started researching after feeling frustrated with my lackluster curls and frizz. I really want to get started with the curly girl method, but need help with some beginners products.

I am strapped for money, so I would prefer to find drugstore products. I currently use LA Looks Gel Wet Look, and it has been my go to gel for years, so I hope I can still use it (I think I can!), but am wondering about co-washes and conditioners. And do I need a Leave-in?

Also, wondering about hair type...I think it's a 2C or 3A. What do you think?

Thanks ladies! Hope you can help me make my curls more beautiful! :)

chloe92us 07-06-2013 03:43 PM

Hi and welcome!

Yes, your gel is CG friendly. What is your climate like? The reason I ask, is you mentioned frizz (which can be caused by MANY things; dry hair, or using glycerin in really humid weather, to name a couple reasons!). That particular la looks gel has glycerin at the top of the ingredients list, so if you live in a high humidity area right now, you may want to try the la looks SPORT gel (blue).

Popular drugstore conditioners used for cowashes are the Suave NATURALS line, VO5, loreal evercurl cleansing conditioner, And As I Am co-wash or cleansing pudding (Sally's).

Popular drugstore conditioners that are heavier are tresemme NATURALS, Shea Moisture (all), GVP conditioning balm (Sally's), ION effective care (Sally's).

Depending on the condition of your hair, your hair properties, and climate, you may want to use a leave-in. The lighter co-wash conditioners above are a good place to start. The Shea moisture "milks" also work.

Since it looks like you're a fine haired wavy, strictly cowashing may not work for you. If that turns out to be the case, you'll want to find a low poo, or sulphate and silicone free shampoo. The Shea moisture line shampoos are good, I like the Yucca one (dark green label).

crofterica 07-06-2013 04:06 PM

Thanks for the reply!

I actually live in a drier climate--not too humid. Our dewpoint generally does not get higer than mid-50s or so, with some exceptions. My hair is definitely reacive to humidity (you should see it when we travel to the beach...agh!) Does glycerin make frizz worse?

I'd say my hair has high porosity--it definitely seems dry and I do highlight with bleach. I also use a lot of gel to get the look I like, so that may affect things too. Up until now, I've always used Pantene Curl S and C.

Do you think I should start out trying a cowash? Or should I go straight to a low-poo option?

Firefox7275 07-06-2013 04:39 PM

Welcome! Suave Naturals, V05 and Tresemme Naturals are all used for conditioner only washing, I would not spend money needlessly on something you wash down the drain.

Work on your porosity and bleach damage with overnight coconut oil soaks, hydrolysed protein treatments, ceramides and panthenol. Olive and avocado oil also penetrate and may help reduce porosity, others oils and butters mainly do not and some will weigh the hair down.

Hydrolysed protein is also beneficial for fine haired wavies and curlies and can help boost curls, coconut oil also helps protect from bleach damage.

GVP conditioning balm is high in propylene glycol which is a humectant, I would avoid or limit that in high or low dews or if you have an issue with glycerin (another humectant). You can use the same conditioner as rinse out and leave in.

crofterica 07-06-2013 06:24 PM

It's so interesting--I never considered my hair to be "fine" because it's thick! :) Amazing what you learn!!

I will work on the porosity--I've been planning on doing a coconut oil treatment, so I'll start there. Hopefully switching away from sulfates and silicones will help too!

chloe92us 07-06-2013 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by crofterica (Post 2187963)
Thanks for the reply!

I actually live in a drier climate--not too humid. Our dewpoint generally does not get higer than mid-50s or so, with some exceptions. My hair is definitely reacive to humidity (you should see it when we travel to the beach...agh!) Does glycerin make frizz worse?

I'd say my hair has high porosity--it definitely seems dry and I do highlight with bleach. I also use a lot of gel to get the look I like, so that may affect things too. Up until now, I've always used Pantene Curl S and C.

Do you think I should start out trying a cowash? Or should I go straight to a low-poo option?

It doesn't sound like you need to worry about glycerin, then. My dews hover in the 70's for much of the year, and yes glycerin makes my hair friiiizzzzy.

After your last sulphate shampoo wash, it's really up to you to decide to poo or not to poo. I decided not to strictly cowash, but the further I get in my hair journey, the less I feel I actually have to shampoo. It is still perfectly "CG" to use a sulphate- free cleanser. If you want to dive in with both feet, try cowashing for a couple weeks and see how you like it. You'll know at that point if you need to poo or not.

chloe92us 07-06-2013 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by crofterica (Post 2187998)
It's so interesting--I never considered my hair to be "fine" because it's thick! :) Amazing what you learn!!

I will work on the porosity--I've been planning on doing a coconut oil treatment, so I'll start there. Hopefully switching away from sulfates and silicones will help too!

Sorry- it was just an observation....I could be completely wrong! You could have a lot of hair density, but the individual hair strands could be fine.

crofterica 07-06-2013 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chloe92us (Post 2188000)
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Originally Posted by crofterica (Post 2187963)
Thanks for the reply!

I actually live in a drier climate--not too humid. Our dewpoint generally does not get higer than mid-50s or so, with some exceptions. My hair is definitely reacive to humidity (you should see it when we travel to the beach...agh!) Does glycerin make frizz worse?

I'd say my hair has high porosity--it definitely seems dry and I do highlight with bleach. I also use a lot of gel to get the look I like, so that may affect things too. Up until now, I've always used Pantene Curl S and C.

Do you think I should start out trying a cowash? Or should I go straight to a low-poo option?

It doesn't sound like you need to worry about glycerin, then. My dews hover in the 70's for much of the year, and yes glycerin makes my hair friiiizzzzy.

After your last sulphate shampoo wash, it's really up to you to decide to poo or not to poo. I decided not to strictly cowash, but the further I get in my hair journey, the less I feel I actually have to shampoo. It is still perfectly "CG" to use a sulphate- free cleanser. If you want to dive in with both feet, try cowashing for a couple weeks and see how you like it. You'll know at that point if you need to poo or not.


I have to laugh--to poo or not to poo? That is the question... ;)

So if I use a low-poo, do I just use a CG safe thicker conditioner (not the co-wash conditioner) afterwards? Also, I know some people just say not to rinse all of the conditioner out afterwards, rather than using a leave in...do they do this with the co-wash conditioner or the other one?

Thanks for all the help :)

chloe92us 07-06-2013 08:03 PM

I have to laugh--to poo or not to poo? That is the question... ;)

So if I use a low-poo, do I just use a CG safe thicker conditioner (not the co-wash conditioner) afterwards? Also, I know some people just say not to rinse all of the conditioner out afterwards, rather than using a leave in...do they do this with the co-wash conditioner or the other one?

ROTFL! if you low poo, you just use a heavier conditioner after, then you can Just partially rinse it out. Or you could rinse it out, then add a leave in.

Firefox7275 07-07-2013 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by crofterica (Post 2188013)

So if I use a low-poo, do I just use a CG safe thicker conditioner (not the co-wash conditioner) afterwards? Also, I know some people just say not to rinse all of the conditioner out afterwards, rather than using a leave in...do they do this with the co-wash conditioner or the other one?

Thanks for all the help :)

Your co-wash conditioner is your shampoo substitute so treat it in a similar way, you wash it off with all the skin cells, sebum and old product.

Given you colour if you choose to low-poo I would suggest you select carefully, looking for a product that is free of all anionic surfactants not just free of sulphates and that is pH 4.5 to 5.5 (acidic). This will be the gentlest it can possibly be on skin and hair.

That means looking for surfactants like cocoamidopropyl betaine or decyl glucoside. There are lists of surfactants in the different 'families' here
Ingredients Commonly Found in Hair Care Products
Actually all the 'curl chemist' articles by Tonya McKay are worth reading as you have time.

crofterica 07-07-2013 07:56 AM

Okay--thanks for the info!! I think I'll try no-poo first, the switch to a low poo if I need to. What would be a reason to low poo--too much oil and build up? Just want to know what to look for :)

chloe92us 07-07-2013 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by crofterica (Post 2188133)
Okay--thanks for the info!! I think I'll try no-poo first, the switch to a low poo if I need to. What would be a reason to low poo--too much oil and build up? Just want to know what to look for :)

Yes, that plus fine hair can look "weighed down". Low pooing can help keep the volume up.

Firefox7275 07-07-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by crofterica (Post 2188133)
Okay--thanks for the info!! I think I'll try no-poo first, the switch to a low poo if I need to. What would be a reason to low poo--too much oil and build up? Just want to know what to look for :)

The people who do best with low-poo tend to have thin and fine hair that needs volume or a scalp problem. Conditioner removes oils like coconut fine just as it removes excess sebum, it won't shift build up of ingredients like silicones and certain polyquats but if you select the right leave in conditioner and styler you should not have a problem with build up.

CurlyInTheFog 07-07-2013 04:58 PM

Sometimes people who mostly no poo/CO will low poo every once in while, while others will clarify instead. I almost never clarify, but I low poo when the mood strikes me. The SheaMoisture Moisture Retention shampoo is a good low poo if you need one.


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