New wavy (UK)

Hi everyone!

My name is Nicki, I'm 31 and reside in South Wales, UK.

After years of accepting my hair was a bit prone to kinking and curling, I finally found a good hairdresser who's encouraged me to embrace my waves and stop crying then they fail to straighten out. That was February and after nearly 9 months I'm still learning how to look after my wavy hair.

So far I've worked out that my hair hates being shampooed, loves anything moisturising and... the biggest breakthrough.... doesn't look too bad if I don't spend hours trying to straighten it every day (only to cry at lunchtime when the damp UK weather causes it to turn into a massive frizzball)!

Currently using L'oreal Hair Expertise as it's the only low-sulfate stuff I can find (US curlies, you have so many more products than we do!) whilst I search for that magical elixir that will turn my frizz into beautiful tumbling waves.

Any tips from other UK curlies on products would be wonderful!

N x
Welcome!

The UK is not as badly served as you think. There is a list of high street Curly Girl friendly products on a sticky on the British Curlies forum. Also their Curly Emporium stocks various specialist brands.

My products are in my signature, I particularly like Inecto conditioner for CO-washing and Gliss ultimate volume conditioner for a protein rich rinse out or leave in.

For stylers you can DIY flaxseed or okra gel with xanthan gum for extra hold, many wavies rave about these. Coconut oil is great for deep treatments, KTC brand is cheap in Asian grocery stores or the World Foods aisle at Tesco.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I'm a British curly too and this a great forum for fellow Brits:
Curly Hair Forum, Curly Hair Tips, Care, Curly Hair Products, Hairstyles for Curly Hair, British Curlies | Curly Hair Forum by British Curlies

Also you can buy loads of low-sulfate stuff and other great products that you may think are only available in the US from these two sites (both 100% genuine, fantastically priced etc. ):
Curly Emporium
Beauty by Zara

I get all my curly products from the above sites (including those in my signature) and have never been able to not find something!
3A with some 3B thrown in. Medium porosity. Medium Thickness. High density.

Pre-poo: Organic Virgin Coconut Oil
Low-poo: SM Coconut & Hibiscus shampoo / ElastaQP Créme Conditioning shampoo
Conditioner: Jason Moisturising Aloe Vera Conditioner

D/C: Experimenting!

Leave-in: Baptism rinse
Styler: Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity


UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Aiming for WL curls (eventually)
Thanks both, will investigate! As I said, very new on my curly journey so itching to try everything at the moment.

Currently cowashing with Loreal Expertise Everpure Colour Care and Moisture followed by their leave in and some Aveda Be Curly Style Prep. My main problem is frizz and no matter how much I moisturise I've not hit the magic stage of it not looking dry and icky. I shampoo with a sulfate-free shampoo about once a week when my scalp starts itching.

The weirdly good side effect of all this is my dandruff, which I've had since my teens, has cleared up since I switched from an anti-dandruff shampoo. Still not sure how that works!
Just bear in mind that the L'Oreal Expertise products aren't actually sulfate free. Before I was fully CG, in my early transitioning stage, I was using the Ever Strong and the Ever Sleek and I discovered they still had sulfates.
Check the ingredients on the back of yours, because I'm pretty sure you'll see Sodium Lauryl Sulfate and Sodium Laureth Sulphate - which are basically the two worst sulfates.

Things I've found helped me most frizz-wise were a pre-poo with coconut oil and using a really good moisturising (and non-stripping) shampoo like the one in my signature. It's a low-poo and is great and is filled with natural, hair-loving ingredients.
The fact that the L'Oreal product you're using does actually have sulfates in it is not going to help frizz issues. What shampoo are you using once per week?

Another good thing is to to a deep conditioning treatment once per week - so find a nice hair mask to use
Oooh and a good gel works WONDERS. The Umberto Scrunching Jelly in my signature (which you can just get at Boots) is amazing!
3A with some 3B thrown in. Medium porosity. Medium Thickness. High density.

Pre-poo: Organic Virgin Coconut Oil
Low-poo: SM Coconut & Hibiscus shampoo / ElastaQP Créme Conditioning shampoo
Conditioner: Jason Moisturising Aloe Vera Conditioner

D/C: Experimenting!

Leave-in: Baptism rinse
Styler: Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity


UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Aiming for WL curls (eventually)

Last edited by BotticelliBrit; 10-27-2013 at 10:06 AM.
The ones I'm using seem sulfate free (doubting myself now though). Struggling to find things without silicone at the moment. Not sure I'll ever be fully CG at this rate!
Welcome Cymrucurly!

Before we can give you specific tips on products, make sure you figure out your hair's properties. This will help you to make choices that are specific to your hair's needs. This website gives a good basic understanding of hair properties: Curly Hair Basics | Live Curly Live Free

Then you can pay more attention to everyone's signatures, decide what products you want to research (just browsing this forum can be very useful) and make conscious decision that hopefully turns out to be the right one.

Good luck!
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Weleda Oat Replenishing Shampoo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number
Oh and don't you worry. Take one step at a time - that'll probably save you more time in the end. If you change one thing and your hair goes bad, then you immediately know what the culprit is, and obviously it works the same for discovering what your hair loves. Changing multiple things will make it so hard to identify what product or technique works.
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Weleda Oat Replenishing Shampoo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number
Thanks both, will investigate! As I said, very new on my curly journey so itching to try everything at the moment.

Currently cowashing with Loreal Expertise Everpure Colour Care and Moisture followed by their leave in and some Aveda Be Curly Style Prep. My main problem is frizz and no matter how much I moisturise I've not hit the magic stage of it not looking dry and icky. I shampoo with a sulfate-free shampoo about once a week when my scalp starts itching.
Originally Posted by cymrucurly
Just take it steady, you have the rest of your life to work on your hair, if you try too much at once you won't know what works and what does not. You have NC to help you work through it, we were all newbies once!

The L'Oreal leave in is not a 'true' conditioner it's more of a moisturiser since it's loaded with potent humectants (glycerin and propylene glycol) these can cause frizz in the wrong dews points, or make the hair dry out. It's also not rich in major emollients (fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants), I find fatty alcohols particularly aid clumping.

You also have glycerin in your styler, might just be humectant overload. Some people find certain polyquats build up, there are polyquats in your leave in and your styler.
Ingredients Commonly Found in Hair Care Products


The weirdly good side effect of all this is my dandruff, which I've had since my teens, has cleared up since I switched from an anti-dandruff shampoo. Still not sure how that works!
Originally Posted by cymrucurly
You are using fewer sulphate surfactants which are proven irritant, dehydrating and thin the skin barrier which leaves you more vulnerable to further irritation. Also dandruff shampoos are for mild seborrhoeic dermatitis, is that actually what you have been diagnosed with? 'Dandruff' is not a dermatological condition, it's a layman's umbrella term for various flaky scalp complaints.

My atopic eczema and contact dermatitis vanished when I quit sulphate surfactants: I went the whole way and cut them out of face wash, shower gel, hand wash, toothpaste and hair dye. They are also in aqueous cream and I recently got caught out by an M&S facial serum!

Here is what just 1% SLS does to healthy skin
Aqueous Cream : National Eczema Society
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thanks everyone, just so many new terms to learn and seemingly so many ingredients to avoid.

@Lauraimes - looking at that site my hair is: fine, high density, normal porosity and anywhere from 2a to 3a depending on how my hair is behaving that day, what the weather is doing and if there's an R in the month!

@Firefox7275 thanks for the encouragement. I've spent most of my life believing I had straight(ish) hair so even to get to this point is a revelation.

I'm getting married next year (November 2014) so would love to walk down the aisle rocking some healthy waves. So many hurdles to jump on the way. But hey, nothing worth doing is easy right?
Congratulations! You'll have learned so much about your hair by then! Have you checked out the before and after thread? I'm on my phone right now but it's in the general board on the first page. The transformations are amazing and sometimes within a really short time!
F - LP - HD - NE
Fine, low porosity, high density, normal elasticity
Hairtype 2c

Low poo: Weleda Oat Replenishing Shampoo
Protein: IAGirl's gelatine treatment
Detangler & LI: KCKT
Styling: KCCC

Beauty Is Not a Number
Fab, will go take a look!
2c, fine, normal porosity, high density
Mod CG: Oct 13
Pre-poo/DT: Coconut/EVOO
Low-poo - L'oreal Colour Care & Moisture Shampoo (once a week)
Cowash - Timotei Pure;
Leave in - Aussie Miracle Colour Insurance;
Styling: Aveda Be Curly Prep; Umberto Giannini Scrunching Curl Jelly
Battling frizzies!
Tried my first pre-poo with coconut oil (with added EVOO and Rose Oil) today and have to say I'm pretty pleased - hair is so soft and shiny and whilst I still have a tiny bit of frizz it's much less than normal. Thanks for the tip! Will be posting some photos on the before/after wavy thread
2c, fine, normal porosity, high density
Mod CG: Oct 13
Pre-poo/DT: Coconut/EVOO
Low-poo - L'oreal Colour Care & Moisture Shampoo (once a week)
Cowash - Timotei Pure;
Leave in - Aussie Miracle Colour Insurance;
Styling: Aveda Be Curly Prep; Umberto Giannini Scrunching Curl Jelly
Battling frizzies!

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