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Old 11-30-2006, 06:02 PM   #21
 
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I read somewhere that they do random ID checks at this library. I don't know why he didn't want to show his but more and more police departments are using tasers as a punitive measure rather than to subdue a citizen.
Of course they are claiming that they do "random" ID checks. What else are they going to say?
It could be random but I doubt it too. Random would be like, every tenth person regardless of their race or age. With things being the way they are lately, I would suppose they chose him because he looked like a "terra-ist."
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Yes, let's taser an unarmed college kid studying at the library. Even if he was uncooperative, there were at least 3 cops there - don't tell me that they couldn't keep the kid under control themselves without a taser gun. Why don't they go out and taser a pedophile or a drug dealer instead of harrassing some poor kid studying at the library b/c he didn't show them ID.
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Here's the story as I understand it:

The school's policy is that students are always supposed to carry their Bruins card. The person who originally asked to see it was a school official, but the student declined to show his ID because he felt he was being racially profiled. He was the only Middle Eastern person in the room, and witnesses have said that they did not see anyone else being checked for ID. Rather than show his ID to someone he felt was singling him out, the student decided to leave. He was on his way out when a police officer entered and grabbed his arm, and that's when things got ugly.
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I'm not saying they were in the right for tazering him 4 times, but I wonder why he wouldn't stand up when they told him to numerous times.
I've been tazered, and it ain't easy to get back up. Heck, I had to think to catch my breath, let alone get up.
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That was horrible and unbelievably cruel. 3 cops against one un-armed person, and they threaten to taze him again if he won't stand up?
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Mouthing off to the police gets you nowhere, whether you are innocent or not. Would you dare talking back to the police...even if you were innocent?

Some police(wo)men are jerks, it is true. Some of them really love to throw their weight around.
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Mouthing off to the police gets you nowhere, whether you are innocent or not. Would you dare talking back to the police...even if you were innocent?

Some police(wo)men are jerks, it is true. Some of them really love to throw their weight around.
it doesn't matter if it gets you anywhere or not...it shouldn't be carte blanche for the police to abuse you...

and why should you not "talk back" to the police. Last time I checked, we paid their salaries and they are our civil SERVANTS ...let's not forget that
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and why should you not "talk back" to the police. Last time I checked, we paid their salaries and they are our civil SERVANTS ...let's not forget that

Not to mention, we're supposed to have freedom of speech in this country...one of our most precious rights.
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Yeah, I agree.

But still, so many people in this world don't do what they're supposed to do or what's right...it is like we have to play damage control all of the time. He should have been compliant first, and hired a lawyer later. Just like if your credit card company erroneously says you owe money when you don't. If you don't pay, you could be in serious trouble for quite some time. But, of course, in my example, the company made a mistake and wasn't delibrately trying to screw people.

Gosh...it is late...
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If this were a blond haired white kid, what defense would he have for his actions were they the same? Could he say he was being profiled?

I'm not saying this kid wasn't or he may not have had just cause and reasoning but this is about him and the officers (were they city cops or campus security?) being *******s. They both crossed the line on this one. Both need to show restraint and act as responsible, reasonable people. This situation could have and shold have been avoided.

Also I don't think it has anything to do with the patriot act. That piece of crap document is crap but not directly related IMO.
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If this were a blond haired white kid, what defense would he have for his actions were they the same? .
I strong suspect it never would have happened to a blonde haired kid and if it did, the police would be the ones explaining, not him.

And the same people saying the muslim kid deserved it would probably be talking about police brutality now.
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If this were a blond haired white kid, what defense would he have for his actions were they the same? .
I strong suspect it never would have happened to a blonde haired kid and if it did, the police would be the ones explaining, not him.

And the same people saying the muslim kid deserved it would probably be talking about police brutality now.
I'm thinking it would have been on a college humor board by now and be laughed at. I bet it wouldn't make headlines at all because he would have been being an *******. Oh and the police would still also be out of line.
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Mouthing off to the police gets you nowhere, whether you are innocent or not. Would you dare talking back to the police...even if you were innocent?

Some police(wo)men are jerks, it is true. Some of them really love to throw their weight around.
it doesn't matter if it gets you anywhere or not...it shouldn't be carte blanche for the police to abuse you...

and why should you not "talk back" to the police. Last time I checked, we paid their salaries and they are our civil SERVANTS ...let's not forget that
ITA. The student wasn't violent. He wasn't commiting a crime. There was absolutely no reason to tazer him at all, let alone four times. They are armed officers, they automatically have the upper hand. They needed to show retraint instead of demonstrating who's "boss."

It seems to me that those who defend the cops' actions seem to think "revenge" (can't think of the word I want to use) is justified. He wasn't following the rules, so he deserves whatever he gets. Even if he was commiting a crime, why go that far? That's not how our justice system is supposed to work. Restrain him, take him to jail and let the courts deal with him. Even though they are officers, they are acting like vigilantes.
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The student wasn't violent. He wasn't commiting a crime.
Trespassing. Disturbing the peace. 2 that could easily come to mind.

Did it desserve 4 taser shots? No. But he was yelling and making a scene and refused to cooperate with law officials and school policy. If he felt that those institutions were acting biasedly he should have used those same court and legal means you mentioned to fight them.
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If this were a blond haired white kid, what defense would he have for his actions were they the same? .
I strong suspect it never would have happened to a blonde haired kid and if it did, the police would be the ones explaining, not him.

And the same people saying the muslim kid deserved it would probably be talking about police brutality now.
I'm thinking it would have been on a college humor board by now and be laughed at. I bet it wouldn't make headlines at all because he would have been being an &%$@#!. Oh and the police would still also be out of line.
I don't know. I kind of think it would be a big deal for an unarmed college student in the college library to be tazered times by police no matter who the college student was.

We almost never see instances of police brutality against certain types of folks. Statistics seem to indicate that muslims and other minorities are more likely to be the victims of such things. I don't think it is because people find police brutality against blondes to be humorous.
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The student wasn't violent. He wasn't commiting a crime.
Trespassing. Disturbing the peace. 2 that could easily come to mind.

Did it desserve 4 taser shots? No. But he was yelling and making a scene and refused to cooperate with law officials and school policy. If he felt that those institutions were acting biasedly he should have used those same court and legal means you mentioned to fight them.
How was he trespassing? He is a UCLA college student in the UCLA library?

And when he didn't want to show his ID, he tried to leave.

He has every right to yell and make a scene if he wants to...especially if he felt that he was being mistreated.

The police do not have a right to abuse citizens no matter how loud or angry they happened to get.
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I'm thinking it would have been on a college humor board by now and be laughed at. I bet it wouldn't make headlines at all because he would have been being an &%$@#!. Oh and the police would still also be out of line.
For some reason, I just don't find it that humorous....I wonder why...

I'll make sure to tell my cousin living in the US to bleach his hair. And put blue lenses. After all, his black hair and dark eyes are characteristics of a terrorist. And although he doesn't have a beard, I'll make sure to remind him to shave his stubble every morning, even if he's busy. Imagine! Black hair, dark eyes and a stubble, all together! I guess all Middle Eastern and Iranian men are terrorists.

I guess that makes the men with black hair and blue eyes only half terrorists. They should be tazed only 2 times for not showing their ID's. So funny. So humorous.
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I'm thinking it would have been on a college humor board by now and be laughed at. I bet it wouldn't make headlines at all because he would have been being an &%$@#!. Oh and the police would still also be out of line.
For some reason, I just don't find it that humorous....I wonder why...

I'll make sure to tell my cousin living in the US to bleach his hair. And put blue lenses. After all, his black hair and dark eyes are characteristics of a terrorist. And although he doesn't have a beard, I'll make sure to remind him to shave his stubble every morning, even if he's busy. Imagine! Black hair, dark eyes and a stubble, all together! I guess all Middle Eastern and Iranian men are terrorists.

I guess that makes the men with black hair and blue eyes only half terrorists. They should be tazed only 2 times for not showing their ID's. So funny. So humorous.
You misunderstood me. I'm not saying it would be funny. I'm saying society (euroamerica) wouldn't have made a big deal about it and all but laughed it off. They would still think that it was probably excessive treatment but there is no "hidden agenda" or Patriot Act reasoning to a "majority member" being in this kid's situation.

KCL, If you can not or choose not to prove you belong or are authorized to be there, you are tresspassing. He was not jsut quietly walking out the door from what I understand. If he was, then I am misunderstood and apologize. The video was chaotic and confusing to watch/listen so I may not have got the "whole", "true" story. If you have it all unbiased and complete, please do share.
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KCL, If you can not or choose not to prove you belong or are authorized to be there, you are tresspassing. He was not jsut quietly walking out the door from what I understand. If he was, then I am misunderstood and apologize. The video was chaotic and confusing to watch/listen so I may not have got the "whole", "true" story. If you have it all unbiased and complete, please do share.
No, he wasn't trespassing. He indeed did belong there because he is a UCLA student.

The fact that he didn't feel that he should be singled out to prove that is another issue.

And the fact that he was leaving (whether loudly and angrily or not) only strengthens the fact that he was not a trespassing.
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