here's your ****ing patriot act

I am 100% serious, there is no requirement that we MUST be nice and polite to police officers especially if we feel our rights are being violated.

They are here to serve us...not the other way around.

Of course, people should be respectful and polite to everyone regardless of their station in life.
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady
No, you don't have to be nice to police. You can be an ass and make the cops wonder what's wrong with you and whether their life is in danger. And then you can wonder why they don't treat you the way you think they should.
Originally Posted by Peppy
And then if our laws work as they should, those police officers would lose their jobs for abusing their power.
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady
Making sure that they and the public are safe is their job. Not a reason to be fired.
Thats your idea of the important issues
That isn't my idea. Once again, that's why civics lessons are important.
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady
So now your opinion is fact? Are you really that conceited?
Stephen Fry on "respect" and being "offended".
Calgon take me away.
If the gentleman though he was being racially profiled why couldn't he still have produced an ID, made a stink, leave, and file a complaint.

He didn't leave before the police were there or else we wouldn't be talking about this.
Originally Posted by GuardianB
If black people didn't want to sit in the back of the bus, why couldn't they just sit in the back of the bus, make a stink later, and then file a complaint? Unfortunately policy NEVER changes until someone calls attention to it. I didn't even know we were racially profiling college students. This kids actions brought it to our attention.

And we have no idea how far away the police were. Was this campus police? Or did the school official really called the city police? All of this is just odd to me.
Originally Posted by Xyz

You're comparing sitting in the back of the bus to a requirement to show an ID after certain hours? Nice.
Originally Posted by CGE
It's an absolute valid comparison. It's also a valid comparison to Nazi Germany where Jews were required to carry papers to show that they were "safe" or else be beat and detained.

But of course the problem isn't the showing of ID...it's the fact that this guy was very likely asked to show it only because he looked Arab and the fact that he was subsequently assaulted as a result of refusing to submit to this discrimatory practise.
If there were more people on earth who desired their own happiness more than the unhappiness of others we would have a paradise ~ Bertrand Russell
Thats your idea of the important issues
That isn't my idea. Once again, that's why civics lessons are important.
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady
So now your opinion is fact? Are you really that conceited?
Originally Posted by DJ Machismo

Did you really have to ask?
I used to have a signature but it disappeared and I just couldn't be bothered writing another so please feel free to ingore this.
Thats your idea of the important issues
That isn't my idea. Once again, that's why civics lessons are important.
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady
So now your opinion is fact? Are you really that conceited?
Originally Posted by DJ Machismo

Did you really have to ask?
Originally Posted by CGE
Well its more the action of getting it out there ya know. Ha ha.
Stephen Fry on "respect" and being "offended".
Calgon take me away.
They are here to serve us....
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady
And PROTECT us.
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If the gentleman though he was being racially profiled why couldn't he still have produced an ID, made a stink, leave, and file a complaint.

He didn't leave before the police were there or else we wouldn't be talking about this.
Originally Posted by GuardianB
If black people didn't want to sit in the back of the bus, why couldn't they just sit in the back of the bus, make a stink later, and then file a complaint? Unfortunately policy NEVER changes until someone calls attention to it. I didn't even know we were racially profiling college students. This kids actions brought it to our attention.

And we have no idea how far away the police were. Was this campus police? Or did the school official really called the city police? All of this is just odd to me.
Originally Posted by Xyz

You're comparing sitting in the back of the bus to a requirement to show an ID after certain hours? Nice.
Originally Posted by CGE
No, she compared one act of passive resistance with another act of passive resistance.
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Thats your idea of the important issues
That isn't my idea. Once again, that's why civics lessons are important.
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady
So now your opinion is fact? Are you really that conceited?
Originally Posted by DJ Machismo

Did you really have to ask?
Originally Posted by CGE
Well its more the action of getting it out there ya know. Ha ha.
Originally Posted by DJ Machismo
I think it was already out there.
Thats your idea of the important issues
That isn't my idea. Once again, that's why civics lessons are important.
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady
So now your opinion is fact? Are you really that conceited?
Originally Posted by DJ Machismo
Oh no, you're personally insulting me. The namecalling must stop.

If you don't realize what an outline of the constititutional issues at work here versus your outline of tangential and irrelevant issues (ie "he's a whiny crybaby")...well then..okay.
If there were more people on earth who desired their own happiness more than the unhappiness of others we would have a paradise ~ Bertrand Russell
If the gentleman though he was being racially profiled why couldn't he still have produced an ID, made a stink, leave, and file a complaint.

He didn't leave before the police were there or else we wouldn't be talking about this.
Originally Posted by GuardianB
If black people didn't want to sit in the back of the bus, why couldn't they just sit in the back of the bus, make a stink later, and then file a complaint? Unfortunately policy NEVER changes until someone calls attention to it. I didn't even know we were racially profiling college students. This kids actions brought it to our attention.

And we have no idea how far away the police were. Was this campus police? Or did the school official really called the city police? All of this is just odd to me.
Originally Posted by Xyz

You're comparing sitting in the back of the bus to a requirement to show an ID after certain hours? Nice.
Originally Posted by CGE
I'm sure people in the sixties said, "You're comparing not being able to sit in the front of the bus to slavery? It's glib. The simple fact is that when people have social concerns, no matter how big or small, the mindsets tend to be similar. You can't understand how damaging it is to be profiled, just like people in the 60's couldn't understand how degrading it was to be made to sit in the back of the bus. So you minimize it. The only way to give this situation some perspective is to find a better way. The situation these police are using isn't working. I thought they learned that from the last police story that was in the news, where they shot a guy for running for the subway when the police asked him to allow them to search him. He didn't even speak english.
They are here to serve us....
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady
And PROTECT us.
Originally Posted by 2happy
Exactly. And not assualt us because they think we were "whiny crybabies" or rude or asses.
If there were more people on earth who desired their own happiness more than the unhappiness of others we would have a paradise ~ Bertrand Russell
If the gentleman though he was being racially profiled why couldn't he still have produced an ID, made a stink, leave, and file a complaint.

He didn't leave before the police were there or else we wouldn't be talking about this.
Originally Posted by GuardianB
If black people didn't want to sit in the back of the bus, why couldn't they just sit in the back of the bus, make a stink later, and then file a complaint? Unfortunately policy NEVER changes until someone calls attention to it. I didn't even know we were racially profiling college students. This kids actions brought it to our attention.

And we have no idea how far away the police were. Was this campus police? Or did the school official really called the city police? All of this is just odd to me.
Originally Posted by Xyz

You're comparing sitting in the back of the bus to a requirement to show an ID after certain hours? Nice.
Originally Posted by CGE
It's an absolute valid comparison. It's also a valid comparison to Nazi Germany where Jews were required to carry papers to show that they were "safe" or else be beat and detained.

But of course the problem isn't the showing of ID...it's the fact that this guy was very likely asked to show it only because he looked Arab and the fact that he was subsequently assaulted as a result of refusing to submit to this discrimatory practise.
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady
PROVE that that was the case. PROVE that he was profiled. I doubt you can. Or are you just trying to seem like some activist that cares about everyone.

Everyone in this country has rights, you have the right to free speech, bear arms, plead the fifth and many more.

You also have the right to remain silent if you commit a crime, or are we in the practice of giving minorities more rights when it comes to the law, did I miss a meeting. Where was the memo? Was this because I didn't hand in all my TPS reports?

Thats it I'm going fishing, you can tell the Bobs.
Stephen Fry on "respect" and being "offended".
Calgon take me away.
And by the way, citizens have every right to be asses to the police without suffering police brutality as a result.
He has every right to yell and make a scene if he wants to...especially if he felt that he was being mistreated
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady


Are you kidding me? I tell my daughter to be polite and respectful to the police, teachers, elders, etc. EVEN if you're right, you don't be an ASS. If you have something to hide, you deserve the trouble. If you have nothing to hide, then COOPERATE. That is never the time or place to make a stand, and it will get you nowhere fast.
Originally Posted by 2happy
Nothing wrong with that, but I hope you also tell her that if someday you are in a position of authority, whether you are a policeman/woman, a teacher, or whatever, you treat the people you SERVE with basic respect and decency and in as gentle and light handed a manner as possible to achieve cooperation and build bridges, and that you don't get power hungry or trigger happy just because you can, and you don't rule by fear. And that if people in authority are out of line, you have the right to complain and that NO ONE has the right to abuse you.
Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali











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You also have the right to remain silent if you commit a crime, or are we in the practice of giving minorities more rights when it comes to the law,
Originally Posted by DJ Machismo
I think you should probably ask someone what that means because it doesn't mean what you think it does.

Here I'll tell you...it means you have the right to not incriminate yourself by being forced to answer questions.

It does not mean that you HAVE TO be silent or that your freedom of speech is limited in some way.
If there were more people on earth who desired their own happiness more than the unhappiness of others we would have a paradise ~ Bertrand Russell
If the gentleman though he was being racially profiled why couldn't he still have produced an ID, made a stink, leave, and file a complaint.
Originally Posted by GuardianB
Maybe the other 50 times he was racially profiled this year, he did just that. Maybe this time he was angry and humiliated and hurt so he attempted to leave angrily. So what?

Whether he reacted as you think he should have or not, the reality is that the police had no right to brutalize him.

But it is interesting that some of us choose to focus on what the victim should have done better instead of on the actions of the victimizers.
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady
I think that yes they police acted excessively. But they were going into an intense situation. The subject was unknown. He was causing a scene, he was creaing a nervous situation in a crowded area where many people lives possibly could be in danger. How would they know? Was this maybe the 50th time he failed to produce his school ID at this very library? We don't know. Was the school official who asked for the ID muslim or middle eastern? We don't know.

Police daily enter situations where their own and others lives are at stake. Expected and not sometimes. So yeah, I do give them a break and yeah I do cooperate even more when I am around them because putting them in a situation where they may get uncomfortable when they do have the means of "supressing the situation until they deem necessary". That is something I'm not going to mess with. Organize it and don't let your anger or humilation dictate the scene.
~Two friends, one soul inspired~ anonymous
I am 100% serious, there is no requirement that we MUST be nice and polite to police officers especially if we feel our rights are being violated.

They are here to serve us...not the other way around.

Of course, people should be respectful and polite to everyone regardless of their station in life.
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady

You're just a ray of sunshine aren't you?
Originally Posted by CGE
What is so negative and un-sunshiney about her statement? It's not like this was a happy, sunshine-y story to start with.
Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali











And by the way, citizens have every right to be asses to the police without suffering police brutality as a result.
He has every right to yell and make a scene if he wants to...especially if he felt that he was being mistreated
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady


Are you kidding me? I tell my daughter to be polite and respectful to the police, teachers, elders, etc. EVEN if you're right, you don't be an ASS. If you have something to hide, you deserve the trouble. If you have nothing to hide, then COOPERATE. That is never the time or place to make a stand, and it will get you nowhere fast.
Originally Posted by 2happy
Nothing wrong with that, but I hope you also tell her that if someday you are in a position of authority, whether you are a policeman/woman, a teacher, or whatever, you treat the people you SERVE with basic respect and decency and in as gentle and light handed a manner as possible to achieve cooperation and build bridges, and that you don't get power hungry or trigger happy just because you can, and you don't rule by fear. And that if people in authority are out of line, you have the right to complain and that NO ONE has the right to abuse you.
Originally Posted by Amneris
Absolutely.
~Two friends, one soul inspired~ anonymous
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You also have the right to remain silent if you commit a crime, or are we in the practice of giving minorities more rights when it comes to the law,
Originally Posted by DJ Machismo
I think you should probably ask someone what that means because it doesn't mean what you think it does.

Here I'll tell you...it means you have the right to not incriminate yourself by being forced to answer questions.

It does not mean that you HAVE TO be silent or that your freedom of speech is limited in some way.
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady
Yeah it was a generalization and then a joke followed. I didn't need that explained to me. Now when are you going to stop talking down to people like you are the Queen Know-it-all?
Stephen Fry on "respect" and being "offended".
Calgon take me away.
Are the Arab students the only ones required to show a student ID after hours? If so, the comparison to sitting in the back of the bus is valid. If it is EVERY student who is required to show ID the comparison is crap.
I used to have a signature but it disappeared and I just couldn't be bothered writing another so please feel free to ingore this.
They are here to serve us....
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady
And PROTECT us.
Originally Posted by 2happy
Exactly. And not assualt us because they think we were "whiny crybabies" or rude or asses.
Originally Posted by KatieCoolLady
Well, if the shoe fits........
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