Potentially heated topic about white women...

I've had this discussion with an African American guy friend that exclusively dates white women and asian women. He buys into this stereotype and also thinks that white/asian women are more cheerful and docile.

I don't agree. I think that he has chosen white women that are this way, but he could have found women like this among any other ethnic group. He just happens to prefer the white/asian ones.
Originally Posted by solange
Yes, I have heard this as well. Many times as a matter of fact.

Are white women more willing to please their men, no matter what it takes, than minority women? Discuss amongst yourselves.
I mean, I have no idea whether it's true or not. I am a black woman.
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What do you mean by "sexually permissive"? More promiscuous? More adventurous?
Originally Posted by Peppy
Yes, both. More "freaky" to use that expression. More willing to do it more and try it all, especially in the courtship phase, before marriage.
Originally Posted by Matchless~Curls
I don't think I do anything that would be considered "freaky". And I certainly didn't do anything "freaky" before marriage. Actually the race and rate of teen pregnancies where I live are in direct contrast to the stereotype you referred to.
Originally Posted by Peppy
Teen pregnancies don't = promiscuity, they just = less use of/awareness of birth control or abortion.
Originally Posted by Amneris
Yeah I totally agree with this. Teen pregnancy rates are affected by a lot of factors like access to family planning and sexual education, socioeconomic factors, education levels etc. It's not fair to assume that just because a teen gets pregnant that she was promiscuous

I always heard that white women mostly WASP (White Anglo Saxon Protestant) women are less likely to try different things. But I try never to buy into stereotypes, everyone is there own person and makes up their own way to live and its not fair to any race, creed, or any group to say something is true of all of them. ~~jax
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There's also the stereotype of the rich white girls who like to get promiscuous with black men to piss off daddy.
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Is this a serious topic? I'll pretend like it is for now.

I have never known white women to be more sexually permissive than black or other race women. No clue where the stereotype came about. To be fair, there is an equivalent stereotype for black women. The whole Jezebel thing.
Originally Posted by DarkAngel
I agree. And to be perfectly honest, I've never heard that stereotype about white women.
Originally Posted by Peppy
Well, I don't think that I made it up. Here are some other perspectives:

http://www.byroncrawford.com/2006/07...women_are.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...=1006042437910
Originally Posted by Matchless~Curls
I wasn't accusing you of making it up. I just said that I've never heard it.

And yes, I understand that there are many factors that contribute to teen pregnancy...not just birth control issues or promiscuity, but a combination of factors. I apologize if I inadvertantly implied otherwise.
Well, I don't think that I made it up. Here are some other perspectives:

http://www.byroncrawford.com/2006/07...women_are.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...=1006042437910
Originally Posted by Matchless~Curls
Very scientific and well researched

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I've heard it, I lived it. But honestly, I think me living it had more to do with my own self-image issues than with me being white, but maybe they go hand in hand. I don't know, since I didn't do my majority of growing up around anyone but white girls.

I always heard that was the reason that the black guys at my college were going after the white women, they would give it up and the black girls would make them wait.
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It's actually an interesting topic. I've heard the stereotype. I don't know any actual stats as to whether this is true or not.

I'll take a shot as to origins (which in many cases are themselves stereotypes/ generalizations)

Of course there is no single black community and no single white community. But it seems that religion, and pretty hardcore, inflexible religion, plays a bigger role in some black (and latino and other ehtnic) communities than in the greater american white community. Or, at least, that is the perception.

Family, esp. extended family also seems to play a greater role. When you are still living with your mom and aunt or down the street from your cousin who is reporting to your mom, you are less likely to do things that will cause talk than if you are living on your own in a city 500 miles away from the closest family member.

It probably also has to do with the Sexual Revolution and Second Wave feminism, which were very much white, middle-class phenomena. While white women were studying their vaginas in mirrors in order to raise their consciousness, black women were busy fighting for their basic civil rights and their livelihoods.

There also seem to be some cultural taboos in place in the black community regarding certain sexual acts. I don't know too much about them so I will not comment.
Originally Posted by geeky
Excellent points.
There's also the stereotype of the rich white girls who like to get promiscuous with black men to piss off daddy.
Originally Posted by geeky
I went to school with some rich white girls who did do that. Not saying that it's an across the board trait of all rich white girls, of course.

Just based on my high school experience, the Black girls and other girls of colour were, on average, on MUCH shorter parental leashes than most of the white girls, who were having more sex because they had more opportunities. They were allowed to date, allowed to have guys in their room with the door closed, allowed to have them over when their parents weren't home, allowed to date older guys, allowed to go to teen dance clubs, allowed to stay out later..... we weren't allowed, so even if we WANTED to have sex, we couldn't! Plus whenever I went out I either had to have a sister or cousin chaperone or I knew there was the risk of running into someone who knew Mama. There was a lot more community control, as geeky said, as well as religious values.

In my family, premarital sex and cohabitation are strongly discouraged, whereas many white families I know accept this as normal and don't care if their kids live together before marriage. That would have KILLED my parents. To me, that is cultural and religious, not racial.
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Well, I don't think that I made it up. Here are some other perspectives:

http://www.byroncrawford.com/2006/07...women_are.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...=1006042437910
Originally Posted by Matchless~Curls
Very scientific and well researched

.
Originally Posted by 2happy
Especially that yahoo answers one!
OH, but as far as the freakiness part, that is SO not me. I'm about as plain as they come when it comes to sex.
I used to have a signature but it disappeared and I just couldn't be bothered writing another so please feel free to ingore this.
I've heard it, I lived it. But honestly, I think me living it had more to do with my own self-image issues than with me being white, but maybe they go hand in hand. I don't know, since I didn't do my majority of growing up around anyone but white girls.

I always heard that was the reason that the black guys at my college were going after the white women, they would give it up and the black girls would make them wait.
Originally Posted by CGE
I know several Black guys who say they want to screw around with white girls, then settle down with a Black one who won't let them. I don't think very highly of that..... but that is by no means the majority of Black men. I'm sure only a few of them were doing this.
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Is there a more stringent or statistically observable correlation between body weight and income for whites than for minorities?

This university study suggests that heavier white women earn less across the board than thinner white women, and that isn't the same for black or latina women.

http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases...ncome.ssl.html

Is this because white women are expected to be thin? (as opposed to black and latina women who are expected to be fuller or heavier). Is a white woman's worth in the workplace or with men more closely tied to her body weight than for women in other racial and ethnic communities? Just wondering what people think and have observed.
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It's actually an interesting topic. I've heard the stereotype. I don't know any actual stats as to whether this is true or not.

I'll take a shot as to origins (which in many cases are themselves stereotypes/ generalizations)

Of course there is no single black community and no single white community. But it seems that religion, and pretty hardcore, inflexible religion, plays a bigger role in some black (and latino and other ehtnic) communities than in the greater american white community. Or, at least, that is the perception.

Family, esp. extended family also seems to play a greater role. When you are still living with your mom and aunt or down the street from your cousin who is reporting to your mom, you are less likely to do things that will cause talk than if you are living on your own in a city 500 miles away from the closest family member.

It probably also has to do with the Sexual Revolution and Second Wave feminism, which were very much white, middle-class phenomena. While white women were studying their vaginas in mirrors in order to raise their consciousness, black women were busy fighting for their basic civil rights and their livelihoods.

There also seem to be some cultural taboos in place in the black community regarding certain sexual acts. I don't know too much about them so I will not comment.
Originally Posted by geeky
Excellent points.
Originally Posted by M2LR & Co.
Yes, M2LR & Co. I am going to agree with you on that.
"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people."

"I think that somehow, we learn who we really are and then we live with that decision."
- Eleanor Roosevelt (both quotes)

(taking a break from posting starting late august 2009)
Well, I don't think that I made it up. Here are some other perspectives:

http://www.byroncrawford.com/2006/07...women_are.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...=1006042437910
Originally Posted by Matchless~Curls
Very scientific and well researched

.
Originally Posted by 2happy
Especially that yahoo answers one!
Originally Posted by Peppy
OMG, I was reading the comments on the first one...oh wow.
Personally and unscientifically, though I don't think it's good for anyone to be overweight, I think it's harder for a larger white woman to be attractive than a larger Black woman. Maybe I'm just more used to seeing large Black women in a positive light (family members.) I also think very skinny Black women tend to look worse than very skinny white women, though I don't like either.
Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali











OH, but as far as the freakiness part, that is SO not me. I'm about as plain as they come when it comes to sex.
Originally Posted by CGE
LOL, me too.
It's actually an interesting topic. I've heard the stereotype. I don't know any actual stats as to whether this is true or not.

I'll take a shot as to origins (which in many cases are themselves stereotypes/ generalizations)

Of course there is no single black community and no single white community. But it seems that religion, and pretty hardcore, inflexible religion, plays a bigger role in some black (and latino and other ehtnic) communities than in the greater american white community. Or, at least, that is the perception.

Family, esp. extended family also seems to play a greater role. When you are still living with your mom and aunt or down the street from your cousin who is reporting to your mom, you are less likely to do things that will cause talk than if you are living on your own in a city 500 miles away from the closest family member.

It probably also has to do with the Sexual Revolution and Second Wave feminism, which were very much white, middle-class phenomena. While white women were studying their vaginas in mirrors in order to raise their consciousness, black women were busy fighting for their basic civil rights and their livelihoods.

There also seem to be some cultural taboos in place in the black community regarding certain sexual acts. I don't know too much about them so I will not comment.
Originally Posted by geeky
Excellent points.
Originally Posted by M2LR & Co.
Yep, makes sense
I'm confused. Are we changing the subject now?
Except in cases where there's a strong stereotype to the contrary (like the supposed impotence of Asian men), I think there are a lot of stereotypes about people not of your race or nationality making better lovers.


What I think is more interesting than a stereotype I've never heard of, is that no one is getting angry about this thread since white women don't generally have to worry about these stereotypes doing them harm.

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