Potentially heated topic about white women...

I think this is a very interesting thread/question.

I only wish I knew the answer.

I hadn't really heard the stereotype about white women being promiscuous anywhere where but on this board, where it's been mentioned (but not discussed, at least to my recollection) a couple of times.

All I can do is go on my own personal experience:

I'm a white woman.
I am not promiscuous.
I've been in one relationship in my life and it was sexual. And while I won't say I was willing to try *everything*, I was surprised to find myself more adventurous than I'd imagined.

I don't think it had to do with the color of my skin, or the way I was raised. It had everything to do with how much trust was in the relationship, and the level of comfort as well.

My white friends are no more and no less promiscuous than my black friends. It seems to me that we all operate on a "this is what I'm comfortable with" level. That level is quite varied, but not because of skin color. It varies mostly due to religious beliefs, which is of course another thread in itself.

That's all I know. But this is a very interesting topic.
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Originally Posted by snowflakes821
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Just based on my high school experience, the Black girls and other girls of colour were, on average, on MUCH shorter parental leashes than most of the white girls, who were having more sex because they had more opportunities...
Originally Posted by Amneris
That was my experience too. My father actually scolded me when he saw me give a male friend a hug
I'm confused. Are we changing the subject now?
Originally Posted by Peppy
I was adding another sub-topic to the general topic of this thread. That happens a lot in threads. You can continue discussing the first one, or address the second one, or raise an entirely new one of your own design.
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Is there a more stringent or statistically observable correlation between body weight and income for whites than for minorities?

This university study suggests that heavier white women earn less across the board than thinner white women, and that isn't the same for black or latina women.

http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases...ncome.ssl.html

Is this because white women are expected to be thin? (as opposed to black and latina women who are expected to be fuller or heavier). Is a white woman's worth in the workplace or with men more closely tied to her body weight than for women in other racial and ethnic communities? Just wondering what people think and have observed.
Originally Posted by Matchless~Curls
I have heard that women that are more attractive/thin are more likely to be promoted and make more than women that aren't attractive or are heavier. I am trying to think of it in terms of my workplace, but it's not true. MUCH of the upper management here (in VP and President roles) aren't thin white women (the P is a black male, the VP is a black female, etc).

Also, the company that I work for is VERY big on diversity and making sure that we have a diverse environment (offering diversity training, community events, etc).
I'm confused. Are we changing the subject now?
Originally Posted by Peppy
I was adding another sub-topic to the general topic of this thread. That happens a lot in threads. You can continue discussing the first one, or address the second one, or raise an entirely new one of your own design.
Originally Posted by Matchless~Curls
No big deal. It just seems that when something was said about the links, the subject suddenly changed.

Carry on.
Just based on my high school experience, the Black girls and other girls of colour were, on average, on MUCH shorter parental leashes than most of the white girls, who were having more sex because they had more opportunities...
Originally Posted by Amneris
That was my experience too. My father actually scolded me when he saw me give a male friend a hug
Originally Posted by internetchick
I sat on a guy's lap at Caribana when I was 15 and my aunt chased me for blocks through downtown before grabbing me and slapping me in front of everyone.....
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I don't know about earnings tied to race and weight. I do know that I have sometimes observed (and also heard) that black and latino men prefer a thicker woman compared to white men. I've also seen that heavier black and latino women tend to carry it off better than heavy white women. What I mean by carry it off is the former will walk around with their body language saying "Look at me, I am cute and sexy" whereas the latter body language tends to say "I hope you don't notice my extra weight". Of course this is not true for everyone, and I have seen both attitudes from all ethnicities.

I wonder if the three are tied up together: Percveived desirability -> self esteem -> earnings and general success.
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I don't know about earnings tied to race and weight. I do know that I have sometimes observed (and also heard) that black and latino men prefer a thicker woman compared to white men. I've also seen that heavier black and latino women tend to carry it off better than heavy white women. What I mean by carry it off is the former will walk around with their body language saying "Look at me, I am cute and sexy" whereas the latter body language tends to say "I hope you don't notice my extra weight". Of course this is not true for everyone, and I have seen both attitudes from all ethnicities.

I wonder if the three are tied up together: Percveived desirability -> self esteem -> earnings and general success.
Originally Posted by geeky
Yeah, but thick doesn't mean overweight/obese/heavy.....

My cousin's pet peeve is white women who think they have (in their words "ghetto booty" and therefore will be attractive to Black men when they are, in his words "just fat.") Thickness/curves etc. are not the same as fat.
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What I think is more interesting than a stereotype I've never heard of, is that no one is getting angry about this thread since white women don't generally have to worry about this stereotype doing them harm.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
That is a big piece. I think it may be a reason that many may not have heard it. When you are talking about the majority within a group (in this case women) stereotypes and lables do little or mean less to the whole argument or point.

I also think Geeky made a huge point about the revolutions that were and are going on in the woman's worlds. Cultural/ethinics groups had and have different priorities and "advancements" (and that not impling good or bad advancements) given the time periods and society around them.
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What I think is more interesting than a stereotype I've never heard of, is that no one is getting angry about this thread since white women don't generally have to worry about these stereotypes doing them harm.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
Great point. I also think that most of the white women participating know the history behind this thread.
To Trenell, MizKerri and geeky:
I pray none of you ever has to live in a communist state.

Geeky is my hero. She's the true badass. The badass who doesn't even need to be a badass. There aren't enough O's in cool to describe her.
More willing to have sex, more willing to try different positions, including taboo ones, more willing to do what it takes to please, have (or land? keep?) a man.
Originally Posted by Matchless~Curls
Again, I can only go on my own experience. I'd say I'm very adventurous in that arena, but it wasn't about landing, pleasing, or keeping my man. It was about curiousity, trust, excitement, comfort, and intimacy.

In my relationship, we chose not to label anything as taboo. We agreed early on that we'd have an open discussion about sex, where we could feel comfortable sharing without fear of the other person being offended or afraid. We understood that didn't mean we'd do EVERYTHING the other person wanted, but we would be willing to discuss whether or not we were comfortable with what had been suggested.

This was just us. Honesty and trust. And I believe that's what made our relationship so strong and I also believe that's what has kept us friends even after we ended our romantic involvement.
You are an evil biatch, evil. Your life must suck!
Originally Posted by snowflakes821
http://booyahlicious.blogspot.com/
There's also the stereotype of the rich white girls who like to get promiscuous with black men to piss off daddy.
Originally Posted by geeky
I went to school with some rich white girls who did do that. Not saying that it's an across the board trait of all rich white girls, of course.

Just based on my high school experience, the Black girls and other girls of colour were, on average, on MUCH shorter parental leashes than most of the white girls, who were having more sex because they had more opportunities. They were allowed to date, allowed to have guys in their room with the door closed, allowed to have them over when their parents weren't home, allowed to date older guys, allowed to go to teen dance clubs, allowed to stay out later..... we weren't allowed, so even if we WANTED to have sex, we couldn't! Plus whenever I went out I either had to have a sister or cousin chaperone or I knew there was the risk of running into someone who knew Mama. There was a lot more community control, as geeky said, as well as religious values.

In my family, premarital sex and cohabitation are strongly discouraged, whereas many white families I know accept this as normal and don't care if their kids live together before marriage. That would have KILLED my parents. To me, that is cultural and religious, not racial.
Originally Posted by Amneris
I have to agree, from my experiences that the more wealthier caucasian girls are not on short leashes from their parents, I am just middle class, but I was on a Short leash, where as, the area I am from is mostly upper class and those girls were more promiscuous and "freaky" and would have abortions to get rid of their problem on a regular basis. The more lower and middle class girls (caucasian, and african american) would usually have on one bf and if they got pregnant, they usually had the baby, so everyone knew they had had sex. Where you didn't know the wealthier ones did b/c they hid it. ~~jax
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What I think is more interesting than a stereotype I've never heard of, is that no one is getting angry about this thread since white women don't generally have to worry about these stereotypes doing them harm.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
Excellent observation. In doing extremely quick google searches (and I have to jump off this thread soon to do other necessary things), it is MUCH easier to find information analyzing all of the supposed pathologies of minority women and interracial relationships than it is to find information analyzing whiteness. Since whites are in the majority/the norm, the lack of information and the reaction on this thread aren't surprising. Same thing for disproportionate news coverage of Africans as starving, destitute, disease ridden victims of governmental corruption. Of course, there is plenty of that on the continent of Africa. But there has to be another side that we don't nearly see enough - of humanity shining through, of african communities helping their own, of good choices and decisions being made, at least SOME of the time. But media and information sources don't always tell the full story. People see what they want to see and report what they want to report.. and there is far from parity in those areas when it comes to race and gender.
"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people."

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(taking a break from posting starting late august 2009)
Just based on my high school experience, the Black girls and other girls of colour were, on average, on MUCH shorter parental leashes than most of the white girls, who were having more sex because they had more opportunities...
Originally Posted by Amneris
That was my experience too. My father actually scolded me when he saw me give a male friend a hug
Originally Posted by internetchick

I had a curfew...IN COLLEGE! (when I came home, and school was a little over 2 hours away- my folks were PARANOID!)
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I was a fairly poor white girl growing up and I had no such leash...and suprisingly enough it wasn't until college that I became promiscuous.

My leash didn't exist because I had a mother who wanted to be my friend, not my mother.
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What I think is more interesting than a stereotype I've never heard of, is that no one is getting angry about this thread since white women don't generally have to worry about these stereotypes doing them harm.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
That's one explanation. Another is the angry black woman theory.

Yet another explanation is that those who complained about the first thread just don't get why this thread might be offensive, or don't care since it doesn't affect them. I don't get how if you think something is wrong you still engage in it just because others do. But, this type of thing is one of the reasons I keep coming to the site.

Matchless, I had no problem with the original thread and no problem with yours, either. I have heard that stereotype and very much agree with Geeky's thoughts on the subject.
People rise to the standard expected of them. GC
I sat on a guy's lap at Caribana when I was 15 and my aunt chased me for blocks through downtown before grabbing me and slapping me in front of everyone.....
Originally Posted by Amneris
I would not have dared to sit on a guy's lap LOL. I thought a hug wouldn't hurt, but guess I was wrong
I sat on a guy's lap at Caribana when I was 15 and my aunt chased me for blocks through downtown before grabbing me and slapping me in front of everyone.....
Originally Posted by Amneris
I would not have dared to sit on a guy's lap LOL. I thought a hug wouldn't hurt, but guess I was wrong
Originally Posted by internetchick
I don't know how I did dare..... I think I was so innocent I didn't think it could mean anything until my aunt saw and tripped out. After that, I knew!
Get used to me. Black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me. -Muhammad Ali











What I think is more interesting than a stereotype I've never heard of, is that no one is getting angry about this thread since white women don't generally have to worry about these stereotypes doing them harm.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
I would say that white women being stereotyped as promiscuous could most definitely do them harm. A lot of harm actually.
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