Potentially heated topic about white women...

Alright. Since some of you won't let this go, let's see how people handle this thread.

On M2LR & Co's premise, the title of this thread is fair game. I'm using it to discuss the following perceived cultural difference or stereotype. I've heard it said many times that white women tend to be more sexually permissive than minority women. Could this be cultural? does it have anything to do with more pressure within the white community to marry? Are white women more willing to please their men, no matter what it takes, than minority women? Discuss amongst yourselves.

What's the difference of putting in a thread title:

**ADULT**
**NSFW**
**WARNING**
**POTENTIALLY HEATED TOPIC**

If the thread title itself doesn't give indications that it might be a potentially heated topic (race, religion, childbirth, parenting, breastfeeding, etc)...then what is the big deal about actually saying that a topic might become actually heated, or needs some other kind of warning?

Saying: "Question about Black Women/Stereotype" vs. "Potentially heated topic: Question about Black Women/Stereotype." or "Question about a Christian Stereotype" vs. "Potentially Heated Topic: Question about a Christain Stereotype."

They are both the same to me, and recognizing that a topic might become heated is a fair warning, I think.
Originally Posted by M2LR & Co.
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(taking a break from posting starting late august 2009)
Meaning what, that we do "more" sexually than women of other cultures?

Maybe we're all just a bunch of sluts.
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What do you mean by "sexually permissive"? More promiscuous? More adventurous?
Meaning what, that we do "more" sexually than women of other cultures?

Maybe we're all just a bunch of sluts.
Originally Posted by babywavy
More willing to have sex, more willing to try different positions, including taboo ones, more willing to do what it takes to please, have (or land? keep?) a man.
"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people."

"I think that somehow, we learn who we really are and then we live with that decision."
- Eleanor Roosevelt (both quotes)

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What do you think the rule is about nosy Korean/African American biracial women?

(just kidding - you know I love you, MC!)

On a serious note, I did grow up with my family telling me that stereotype about promiscuous white women. I attribute that to their fear of me adopting what they saw as more permissive North American morals and hoping to shame me out of doing so, more than them having any actual facts about that.
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Is this a serious topic? I'll pretend like it is for now.

I have never known white women to be more sexually permissive than black or other race women. No clue where the stereotype came about. To be fair, there is an equivalent stereotype for black women. The whole Jezebel thing.


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What do you mean by "sexually permissive"? More promiscuous? More adventurous?
Originally Posted by Peppy
Yes, both. More "freaky" to use that expression. More willing to do it more and try it all, especially in the courtship phase, before marriage.
"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people."

"I think that somehow, we learn who we really are and then we live with that decision."
- Eleanor Roosevelt (both quotes)

(taking a break from posting starting late august 2009)
I have no idea what to add. I have never heard they are more permissive or they have more pressure to marry. Nowadays I don't think anyone feels pressure to get married I think both those things are more a reflection of the current moral culture than anything specific to race.
Is this a serious topic? I'll pretend like it is for now.

I have never known white women to be more sexually permissive than black or other race women. No clue where the stereotype came about. To be fair, there is an equivalent stereotype for black women. The whole Jezebel thing.
Originally Posted by DarkAngel
I agree. And to be perfectly honest, I've never heard that stereotype about white women.
Isn't that the stereotype of Asian women, moreso than Caucasian women? I thought the prevailing stereotype regarding Caucasian women was that they are more passive...
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What do you mean by "sexually permissive"? More promiscuous? More adventurous?
Originally Posted by Peppy
Yes, both. More "freaky" to use that expression. More willing to do it more and try it all, especially in the courtship phase, before marriage.
Originally Posted by Matchless~Curls
I don't think I do anything that would be considered "freaky". And I certainly didn't do anything "freaky" before marriage. Actually the race and rate of teen pregnancies where I live are in direct contrast to the stereotype you referred to.
What do you mean by "sexually permissive"? More promiscuous? More adventurous?
Originally Posted by Peppy
Yes, both. More "freaky" to use that expression. More willing to do it more and try it all, especially in the courtship phase, before marriage.
Originally Posted by Matchless~Curls
I don't think I do anything that would be considered "freaky". And I certainly didn't do anything "freaky" before marriage. Actually the race and rate of teen pregnancies where I live are in direct contrast to the stereotype you referred to.
Originally Posted by Peppy
Teen pregnancies don't = promiscuity, they just = less use of/awareness of birth control or abortion.
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I thought about it more. I have heard the stereotype some. It's usually from college aged black guys explaining why they prefer the white wimmens.

It usually applied to lower class women who seriously would do anything a guy wanted.


"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." -- Theodor Seuss Geisel
I've had this discussion with an African American guy friend that exclusively dates white women and asian women. He buys into this stereotype and also thinks that white/asian women are more cheerful and docile.

I don't agree. I think that he has chosen white women that are this way, but he could have found women like this among any other ethnic group. He just happens to prefer the white/asian ones.
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What do you mean by "sexually permissive"? More promiscuous? More adventurous?
Originally Posted by Peppy
Yes, both. More "freaky" to use that expression. More willing to do it more and try it all, especially in the courtship phase, before marriage.
Originally Posted by Matchless~Curls
I don't think I do anything that would be considered "freaky". And I certainly didn't do anything "freaky" before marriage. Actually the race and rate of teen pregnancies where I live are in direct contrast to the stereotype you referred to.
Originally Posted by Peppy
Teen pregnancies don't = promiscuity, they just = less use of/awareness of birth control or abortion.
Originally Posted by Amneris
EXACTLY.
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I had always heard the exact opposite. Huh, who'd a thunked?
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Is this a serious topic? I'll pretend like it is for now.

I have never known white women to be more sexually permissive than black or other race women. No clue where the stereotype came about. To be fair, there is an equivalent stereotype for black women. The whole Jezebel thing.
Originally Posted by DarkAngel
I agree. And to be perfectly honest, I've never heard that stereotype about white women.
Originally Posted by Peppy
Well, I don't think that I made it up. Here are some other perspectives:

http://www.byroncrawford.com/2006/07...women_are.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...=1006042437910
"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people."

"I think that somehow, we learn who we really are and then we live with that decision."
- Eleanor Roosevelt (both quotes)

(taking a break from posting starting late august 2009)
It's actually an interesting topic. I've heard the stereotype. I don't know any actual stats as to whether this is true or not.

I'll take a shot as to origins (which in many cases are themselves stereotypes/ generalizations)

Of course there is no single black community and no single white community. But it seems that religion, and pretty hardcore, inflexible religion, plays a bigger role in some black (and latino and other ehtnic) communities than in the greater american white community. Or, at least, that is the perception.

Family, esp. extended family also seems to play a greater role. When you are still living with your mom and aunt or down the street from your cousin who is reporting to your mom, you are less likely to do things that will cause talk than if you are living on your own in a city 500 miles away from the closest family member.

It probably also has to do with the Sexual Revolution and Second Wave feminism, which were very much white, middle-class phenomena. While white women were studying their vaginas in mirrors in order to raise their consciousness, black women were busy fighting for their basic civil rights and their livelihoods.

There also seem to be some cultural taboos in place in the black community regarding certain sexual acts. I don't know too much about them so I will not comment.
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Is this a serious topic? I'll pretend like it is for now.

I have never known white women to be more sexually permissive than black or other race women. No clue where the stereotype came about. To be fair, there is an equivalent stereotype for black women. The whole Jezebel thing.
Originally Posted by DarkAngel
I agree. And to be perfectly honest, I've never heard that stereotype about white women.
Originally Posted by Peppy
And I agree as well. I haven't ever heard this stereotype, and I think that there is an equivalent stereotype in other communities as well. Even non-race related ones - the stereotype that quiet Catholic girls are the "ones you have to worry about" and so on.
What do you mean by "sexually permissive"? More promiscuous? More adventurous?
Originally Posted by Peppy
Yes, both. More "freaky" to use that expression. More willing to do it more and try it all, especially in the courtship phase, before marriage.
Originally Posted by Matchless~Curls
I don't think I do anything that would be considered "freaky". And I certainly didn't do anything "freaky" before marriage. Actually the race and rate of teen pregnancies where I live are in direct contrast to the stereotype you referred to.
Originally Posted by Peppy
Teen pregnancies don't = promiscuity, they just = less use of/awareness of birth control or abortion.
Originally Posted by Amneris
Yeah I totally agree with this. Teen pregnancy rates are affected by a lot of factors like access to family planning and sexual education, socioeconomic factors, education levels etc. It's not fair to assume that just because a teen gets pregnant that she was promiscuous

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