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Old 12-23-2010, 01:36 PM   #181
 
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sarasara,

Thanks for all of your posts in this thread. I enjoyed reading them, and agree with much of what you said (the parts I'm knowledgeable enough to have an opinion on anyway ). I don't think you painted all Americans with a broad brush. From reading your posts, though, I can see areas where I have been negligent and/or willfully ignorant - I have the luxury of not thinking about things at the same level you've done.

I am stupid when it comes to politics, foreign policy/government, and many other civics related issues. Those are not things I have ever had an interest in and obviously are not priorities for me, so it's not an insult to me to tell me that - it's a fact. I totally get what you're saying about you having the right to feel anger toward people like me who blindly vote without knowing the full impact of our decisions. Regardless of if everything you wrote here is accurate, the point is valid.

I can't say that I will make a concerted effort from this point forward to actively work against things I disagree with or even think about this much in the near future (which is really horrible, but keeping it real). However, I am definitely more aware of how my lack of action, and my lack of effort to gain more information, rightfully contributes to perceptions such as yours AND the very real atrocities we as Americans (who benefit from what our elected officials do in our names) perpetuate on others' soils. I can also see others' viewpoints who've posted to you, but just speaking for me, I appreciate every single post and don't have a problem with anything you wrote.

Thanks so much!
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Old 12-25-2010, 10:37 AM   #182
 
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sarasara,

Thanks for all of your posts in this thread. I enjoyed reading them, and agree with much of what you said (the parts I'm knowledgeable enough to have an opinion on anyway ). I don't think you painted all Americans with a broad brush. From reading your posts, though, I can see areas where I have been negligent and/or willfully ignorant - I have the luxury of not thinking about things at the same level you've done.

I am stupid when it comes to politics, foreign policy/government, and many other civics related issues. Those are not things I have ever had an interest in and obviously are not priorities for me, so it's not an insult to me to tell me that - it's a fact. I totally get what you're saying about you having the right to feel anger toward people like me who blindly vote without knowing the full impact of our decisions. Regardless of if everything you wrote here is accurate, the point is valid.

I can't say that I will make a concerted effort from this point forward to actively work against things I disagree with or even think about this much in the near future (which is really horrible, but keeping it real). However, I am definitely more aware of how my lack of action, and my lack of effort to gain more information, rightfully contributes to perceptions such as yours AND the very real atrocities we as Americans (who benefit from what our elected officials do in our names) perpetuate on others' soils. I can also see others' viewpoints who've posted to you, but just speaking for me, I appreciate every single post and don't have a problem with anything you wrote.

Thanks so much!
WOW. If more folks had the open, fertile mind you just displayed, this whole world would change for the better.

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Either you have no historical knowledge, or you refuse to admit to yourself that it doesn't matter that it's the United States. Go read a history book. Look at the atrocities that were committed by the British Empire, the things that have happened in Australia in regards to the aborigenes. Please, actually read what people are saying before you jump down their throats and put words in their mouth.

Why are you comparing this to atrocities that happened at times when there was no such thing as education, when people were at the pits of ignorance, where blunt racism and human rights violations were acceptable, at atrocities that occured in the Dark Ages when people were digging up the pope from its grave to have it judged...

At those times, racism was acceptabable. Hundreds of years ago, black people could not enter certain places in the US. They could not sit anywhere they wanted in buses. And that was acceptable. During the WW2, it was acceptable to discriminate against Jews. It was acceptable to hate them and support someone who wanted to "exterminate them." The United Nation's Declaration of Human Rights only happened afer WW2. So why are you comparing the US's actions now to what happened then? Those same actions are now unacceptable. It's like comparing the crimes in the US to the crimes happening in 3rd world countries.

At an age and place of education and knowledge, where there's "deomcracy," where there's "freedom," where racism is wrong, where human rights have become a legal term, yes, it is more cruel of the US to be committing those actions, IMO.

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Old 12-26-2010, 08:19 AM   #183
 
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so today i go to the atlanta journal constitution to read about the weather. what's on the front page?

the record snow fall at christmas (top story)
a story about immigration
football (of course)
stories about guns, taxes, sarah palin, dogs, traffic, obama's christmas and
female bomber kills 45 at food center in pakistan

my point is that this is how we get our news.
there is no way your average american (human) is going to feel much sympathy for these people when we read stories like this.

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Did a spammer that got deleted bump this? What's going onnnn
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