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Originally Posted by zippyj
Another vote for this one.

Blame it on the cell phone...
I have to stop & think about the word vigilant everytime I say it.. I want to say viligant.
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Originally Posted by Honeycurls
LOL, don't worry, I'm not gonna run through each post and outline how it's wrong. Although to be honest, nearly all of the things mentioned in here are just extremely common phenomena both within the English language and sometimes within Language in general. My perspective is that it's fair enough to be annoyed by these things, but they're not mispronunciations. And I wish I could point out why these pronunciations develop, because that seems to be where a lot of people's frustration comes from.

For me personally, all of these nonstandard pronunciations are evidence of the human faculty for language at work. The human ability to create languages comes from the same place as the ability to make mistakes with language. It's actually the exact same process to create a language, learn a language, and make mistakes in language. So for me, these nonstandard pronunciations are truly awe-inspiring and exciting. It's all an insight into a crucial aspect of what it means to be human.

Last edited by Eilonwy; 10-18-2011 at 11:14 AM.
Hmmm, I find that rather odd. English has plenty of words that originate in another language, but do not become commonly "anglicized," especially for food items. Immediately coming to mind are merlot, filet, tortilla, etc.
Originally Posted by Rubber Biscuit
I am confused by this one, though. All of those words are anglicized to the same extent that "kee-no-ah" is. I mean, "merlot" isn't pronounced in English the way a French person would pronounce it.
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Chef Gordon Ramsay always pronounces filet, "fill-et". Oh, and he calls erbs, "herbs".

People are all over the place when it comes to pronunciation of words. I just noticed a commercial where at the end, the female announcer says blah blah "is available at a grossery near you." To me, it's a groshery store although I usually say, "making a run to Publix!"

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Last edited by roseannadana; 10-18-2011 at 11:33 AM. Reason: typo
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Originally Posted by Honeycurls
LOL, don't worry, I'm not gonna run through each post and outline how it's wrong. Although to be honest, nearly all of the things mentioned in here are just extremely common phenomena both within the English language and sometimes within Language in general. My perspective is that it's fair enough to be annoyed by these things, but they're not mispronunciations. And I wish I could point out why these pronunciations develop, because that seems to be where a lot of people's frustration comes from.

For me personally, all of these nonstandard pronunciations are evidence of the human faculty for language at work. The human ability to create languages comes from the same place as the ability to make mistakes with language. It's actually the exact same process to create a language, learn a language, and make mistakes in language. So for me, these nonstandard pronunciations are truly awe-inspiring and exciting. It's all an insight into a crucial aspect of what it means to be human.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
Uh, thanks. However, by the same token, just because *you* say they're wrong doesn't mean they are. I can figure out for myself at least a few of the multitude of reasons these mutations develop. I just don't happen to agree with a few of them - specifically the ones I believe to be rooted in defiance and affectation.

So are those of us who try to follow the standardized rules we are taught in school "wrong" or somehow otherwise lacking, maybe in creativity? Perhaps we are just sheeple? Why even bother, then, with a standardized language? I suppose we can all grunt, snort, and click at each other in a way that only a few other people understand what the hell we are saying!

I'm perfectly happy to agree to disagree with you on this.
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I just thought of a non-cultural example of someone's mispronunciation of some words that drives me crazy. It's a person whom I love dearly and with whom I speak the same language/dialect - most of the time. I guess I just happen to be one of those intolerant people when it comes to things like this because, really, why does it really matter how someone else pronounces things? That's the question I have no immediate answer for.

There is a street/school name in our area - Encinal - pronounced commonly like En-sin-ell. And, a local dentist has the Filipino last name "Tal" - pronounced like "Hal" with a "t." Hubs pronounces them "en-si-nall" (like "mall") and "tall." Drives me bonkers and maybe I have such a fixation with pronunciation because I am sick.to.death. of people mispronouncing my name. Reading the other posts by people here who have had problems with people mispronouncing their names leaves me in disbelief because can't fathom that people can't get a common name like "Annette" right. How dumb do you have to be? My name, granted, is uncommon, but it is pronounced just as it is spelled and if you'd take a minute to read it or, perhaps, listen to how I pronounced it for you, you could get it right. A lifetime of this has made me strive to pronounce words - ESPECIALLY names - correctly. I guess I unrealistically expect the same from others.
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Hmmm, I find that rather odd. English has plenty of words that originate in another language, but do not become commonly "anglicized," especially for food items. Immediately coming to mind are merlot, filet, tortilla, etc.
Originally Posted by Rubber Biscuit
I am confused by this one, though. All of those words are anglicized to the same extent that "kee-no-ah" is. I mean, "merlot" isn't pronounced in English the way a French person would pronounce it.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
Excuse me if I have failed to explain myself adequately

What I mean is, many food items in English are borrowed from other languages, and while the pronunciation is not as exact as when someone from that language says it (isn't that a given?), in many instances, the generally accepted pronunciation follows the rules of the other language, when those sounds are replicable in English.

It bothers me when someone I know deliberately mispronounces these words, and only then does it bother me. To me, it smacks of, "I'm American and I'll say it however I want to, dammit."
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Originally Posted by Honeycurls
LOL, don't worry, I'm not gonna run through each post and outline how it's wrong. Although to be honest, nearly all of the things mentioned in here are just extremely common phenomena both within the English language and sometimes within Language in general. My perspective is that it's fair enough to be annoyed by these things, but they're not mispronunciations. And I wish I could point out why these pronunciations develop, because that seems to be where a lot of people's frustration comes from.

For me personally, all of these nonstandard pronunciations are evidence of the human faculty for language at work. The human ability to create languages comes from the same place as the ability to make mistakes with language. It's actually the exact same process to create a language, learn a language, and make mistakes in language. So for me, these nonstandard pronunciations are truly awe-inspiring and exciting. It's all an insight into a crucial aspect of what it means to be human.
Originally Posted by Eilonwy
I agree with your whole post, but especially the bolded. It is what makes studying Puerto Rican Spanish particularly exciting for me!
- Seek first to understand, then to be understood.
- Character is how you treat those who can do nothing for you.
However, by the same token, just because *you* say they're wrong doesn't mean they are.
Originally Posted by Honeycurls
Well in the first place, I wasn't saying that anyone was wrong. I was explaining my perspective, and I thought that using phrases like "in my perspective" was enough to make that clear. I was reflecting on how it's hard for me to relate to this kind of thread, because my perspective is really different. I see beauty in all manifestations of language. For me, there's something transcendent in there. Other people don't care so much about language, and that's okay. People see beauty in all different things. I mean, I don't care at all about math or astronomy, but I know a lot of people find transcendence and beauty in those fields. (I do love looking up into the night sky, though!)

Anyway, I definitely agree that just because I say something, that doesn't make it true. But in this case, it's not just me saying something. Everyone in the field of linguistics uses the descriptive (as opposed to prescriptive) approach to language. Now, I can't say that it's wrong to disagree with the perspective used in linguistics, which is why I didn't tell people that they were wrong. But I think it's fair to explain why I prefer that perspective.

Last edited by Eilonwy; 10-18-2011 at 01:38 PM.
Jumping on the name bandwagon, my maiden name. It used to drive me crazy because it was so incredibly simple, and almost no one got it right. The name is so easy to pronounce, I've seen it used as a nonsense word in children's books because it rhymes with a lot of common words. It's like everyone assumed it couldn't be that simple, so thought of the most complicated way they could pronounce it.
Seems to be on topic so thought I would share this link where you can search a name and learn how to pronounce it.


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Last edited by roseannadana; 10-18-2011 at 03:40 PM.
Old timer's instead of Alzheimer's

And though this is the generally accepted pronunciation in the U.S. I don't like aunt pronounced as ant. It just sounds weird to me. My sister-in-law teases me all the time that I sound snooty when I say it, but I don't care! I like it better!
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Old timer's instead of Alzheimer's

And though this is the generally accepted pronunciation in the U.S. I don't like aunt pronounced as ant. It just sounds weird to me. My sister-in-law teases me all the time that I sound snooty when I say it, but I don't care! I like it better!
Originally Posted by nynaeve77
The only relatives of mine who say "ahnt" are my snooty California cousins.

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I think I mispronounce kindergarten all the time. It's my problem word.


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I think I mispronounce kindergarten all the time. It's my problem word.
Originally Posted by xcptnl
How do you pronounce it? I'm curious now!!

I don't think I've ever heard anyone besides myself say "February" with both Rs pronounced. And I only pronounce the first R because when we were learning about the months in kindergarten I was shocked, shocked to find that there was a secret R in that word. I think I felt kind of betrayed or misled
To me, it smacks of, "I'm American and I'll say it however I want to, dammit."
Originally Posted by Rubber Biscuit
Gotcha

I guess I see it more as just what happens when a word is adopted into another language, especially since I doubt too many English speakers have heard "quinoa" pronounced as keen-wah.
I say Febuary, that is all
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Febuary Shmebuary - Anyone as adorable as you (inside and out) gets a pass in my book, Sarcasm. I claim this perogative by virtue of being an old hag, or as ND would say, old as dirt.
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