White people and racism... no, it's not what you think - Page 4

ss40 · 11-26-2011, 07:34 AM

I give u credit, you know your stuff. Getting to the heart of race relations between whites & blacks requires a literal bathing in African colonialism 101. Which would bring you not only to the racial climate we have today but explain so much of the current state of Libya, Nigeria, Mozambique, Tunisia, South Africa and other African countries faced with corruption after being divided, conquered, couped, & propped up.

I am a history buff & the trends are clear in history & expressed in more reliable sources than you tube. There are folks on there who think world leaders are reptilian shapeshifters for crying outloud. You tube is okay for hair how tos but nothing can replace journals, books & dissertations that show people are credible in what they speak on (except maybe rudyard kipling's white man's burden)

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Indentured servants are different from slaves..also some africans were enslaved in africa but they weren't treated as badly as in the US

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While pre-colonial Africa, like all societies, had slavery, it was not anywhere near as severe as US plantation slavery or slavery elsewhere in the Americas. The only place in Africa that had anything close to what plantation slavery was like in the US was what is known as the kingdom of Dahomey.

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frau · 11-26-2011, 11:45 AM

piggy backing on what sienna posted:

this fallen leaf does not tell you the whole story of the maple tree.

Boomygrrl · 11-26-2011, 12:08 PM

Granted, her youtube sources are not credible sources; and she/he is confusing racism with prejudice. There is a point though that I think the OP is making. Nobody (no matter the race) should justify negative actions (verbal/physical aggression) of another (no matter the race). I believe most people here would agree that no one should treat another person poorly. I think the OP gets confused that people are justifying negative actions from black people onto white people by saying that it is compensation for past/present actions. I don't think anyone (or at least most of us, if not all of us) are saying that.
I think what happens is that many people can sympathize with the "underdog" (whether it is a black person in our society or a woman) who has endured a lot and does from time to time have negative views on white people or on men...not to say its okay...but if one is treated poorly because of their race or gender, it is human at times to not "rise above it all" and to get angry.
Anger can be a positive force or a negative force. Its all in the way that we use it. Lets not take away the anger that results from institutionalized racism (or sexism, or whatever -ism). Anger can lead to positive change. I think its wrong to try to take away that anger. I think its wrong to say "whites have it bad too." No one is denying that individuals (white or black, male or female) can have bad experiences. But lets face it...racism against black people is still out there and much stronger than "racism against whites." I put that in quotes...as there is no institutional racism against whites...but I know there are incidences of white people getting treated poorly because of their race, as well.
We are all equal; but our society still doesn't treat us that way. Anger is a good force. Anger motivates you to change something for the positive. Anger motivates you to say "this is BS! I'm going to do something about it!!"
There are many people who can "rise above it," turn the other cheek, what have you. That's great. But what else is great is the one that doesn't rise above it all, but instead fights for his/her rights (not in an aggressive way, but in an assertive way). How else does the "underdog" (minority or woman) get his or her rights? Are we to wait for the ones in power to give it to us? Nope...that doesn't work well. We have to demand it, protest, congregate, raise consciousness, get involved politically, educate ourselves...we have to be active (and anger is the force behind it all to make sure we do so).

Again, white people, men, anyone considered in the privileged class can be treated poorly. I was a nerd and I had my fair share of being treated poorly. It isn't right. No one is saying it is right...but lets not equate racism against black people with prejudice against white people.

Eilonwy · 11-26-2011, 01:10 PM

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There is a point though that I think the OP is making.

Her point is, "Who is brave enough to speak for all the white people oppressed by black people ???

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Amneris · 11-26-2011, 03:42 PM

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There is a point though that I think the OP is making.

Her point is, "Who is brave enough to speak for all the white people oppressed by black people ???

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Everyone is making some kind of a point, so there is definitely a point she is making. In this case, it is not valid/interesting/worthy of consideration though.

stars · 11-26-2011, 07:46 PM

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There is a point though that I think the OP is making.

Her point is, "Who is brave enough to speak for all the white people oppressed by black people ???

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Everyone is making some kind of a point, so there is definitely a point she is making. In this case, it is not valid/interesting/worthy of consideration though.

Wait wait, so are you saying white people who endure harsh racism aren't valid/interesting/worthy of being discussed?

ss40 · 11-26-2011, 09:45 PM

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Her point is, "Who is brave enough to speak for all the white people oppressed by black people ???

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Everyone is making some kind of a point, so there is definitely a point she is making. In this case, it is not valid/interesting/worthy of consideration though.

Wait wait, so are you saying white people who endure harsh racism aren't valid/interesting/worthy of being discussed?

Can you give an example of harsh racism experienced by whites made by blacks?

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stars · 11-26-2011, 09:58 PM

Yes. I used to get my arse kicked ALOT when I was younger, just for being white in a predominately black neighborhood. Nevermind I was a nice person, and still am, to everyone. All I'd get was "COME HERE WHITEY" followed by a beating.

Yet, this is somehow not as significant. Or not taken seriously. And I'm expected to suck it up and take it.

Saria · 11-26-2011, 10:04 PM

Sigh.

Let's try putting this another way so that maybe you understand the difference.
Do you for a second think that those black people thought they were superior because they were black and you were white? Would you trade lives with them? Do you think they would trade lives with you?

You're not supposed to suck it up, but it's still not racism and you as a white person aren't oppressed by black people. The cards aren't stacked against you from the get-go simply because you were born a certain skin color.

stars · 11-26-2011, 10:18 PM

Sigh. Another example of how I'm supposed to just "take it."

What was I supposed to do, go "yes, I understand why you are beating me up, so go ahead, continue to beat the crap outta me, in fact, I deserve it, just for being white!"

I'm sorry, but there is no justifying violence.

favoritecolorblu · 11-26-2011, 10:18 PM

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Yes. I used to get my arse kicked ALOT when I was younger, just for being white in a predominately black neighborhood. Nevermind I was a nice person, and still am, to everyone. All I'd get was "COME HERE WHITEY" followed by a beating.

Yet, this is somehow not as significant. Or not taken seriously. And I'm expected to suck it up and take it.

That's not racism is what they are saying, that's prejudice. They beat you up for no reason, just because you were white. They were pre-judging you. They were automatically disliking you because you were white.

favoritecolorblu · 11-26-2011, 10:20 PM

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Sigh. Another example of how I'm supposed to just "take it."

What was I supposed to do, go "yes, I understand why you are beating me up, so go ahead, continue to beat the crap outta me, in fact, I deserve it, just for being white!"

I'm sorry, but there is no justifying violence.

That's not what their saying. They are saying it's prejudice and not racism, which according to the definition it isnt. You said it indirectly, in your previous post.

CurlyElectra · 11-26-2011, 10:20 PM

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Sigh. Another example of how I'm supposed to just "take it."

What was I supposed to do, go "yes, I understand why you are beating me up, so go ahead, continue to beat the crap outta me, in fact, I deserve it, just for being white!"

I'm sorry, but there is no justifying violence.

That isn't what Saria was saying AT. ALL. What happened to you was wrong, there is no denying that. But it's different from racism. It's a different monster, but still a monster.

Tzarine · 11-26-2011, 10:42 PM

Ugh! Sometimes having the curltalk app on your phone is a great way to have people voice their own opinion... I am irritated

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favoritecolorblu · 11-26-2011, 10:44 PM

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Idk if this is on point, but I cannot stand when white people here in Iowa let black people walk all over them. I get so pissed off, I'm like wtf. I know that they are afraid because of the way some, not all can, act here. I am not making a generalization or anything but I can honestly say a lot of the black people I have met can act so immature; swearing out loud for no reason, saying mean things and threatning people for no good reason; just plain ignorant. I'm half black and am closer to my african american family than my japanese family. I am proud that I am black, but sometimes when my fellow blacks are acting out it is so embarrasing. Its these type of people that gives blacks a bad rep. It is even worse that some white people think acting like that is cool and imitate it. They feel like they need to act out and have the dumbest fake "ghetto" accent. Drives me insane. I have noticed sometimes people would be kinda afraid to meet my family, but once they meet them they are so surprised! My family members are very polite southern peoples whom treat everyone the same. They don't act all crazy and outrageous. They don't go on about white people having them as slaves, they are over it and hold nothing against them, though they do not play about the n-word at all no matter what color you are. I hate when people try to give me crap when I stand up for black people. I say that not all of them act ignorant, anyone is capable of it and they tell me my opinion doesn't count because I am mixed, which is total bs. One thing I have always wondered is why do certain blacks act like that, when did it come to that? Do they know their past and how far things have come? I think our ancestors who fought and longed for freedom would be pissed!

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Springcurl · 11-26-2011, 10:47 PM

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Idk if this is on point, but I cannot stand when white people here in Iowa let black people walk all over them. I get so pissed off, I'm like wtf. I know that they are afraid because of the way some, not all can, act here. I am not making a generalization or anything but I can honestly say a lot of the black people I have met can act so immature; swearing out loud for no reason, saying mean things and threatning people for no good reason; just plain ignorant. I'm half black and am closer to my african american family than my japanese family. I am proud that I am black, but sometimes when my fellow blacks are acting out it is so embarrasing. Its these type of people that gives blacks a bad rep. It is even worse that some white people think acting like that is cool and imitate it. They feel like they need to act out and have the dumbest fake "ghetto" accent. Drives me insane. I have noticed sometimes people would be kinda afraid to meet my family, but once they meet them they are so surprised! My family members are very polite southern peoples whom treat everyone the same. They don't act all crazy and outrageous. They don't go on about white people having them as slaves, they are over it and hold nothing against them, though they do not play about the n-word at all no matter what color you are. I hate when people try to give me crap when I stand up for black people. I say that not all of them act ignorant, anyone is capable of it and they tell me my opinion doesn't count because I am mixed, which is total bs. One thing I have always wondered is why do certain blacks act like that, when did it come to that? Do they know their past and how far things have come? I think our ancestors who fought and longed for freedom would be pissed!

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I can't.

Tzarine · 11-26-2011, 10:48 PM

Can't what?

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Saria · 11-26-2011, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by UtterlyLily

Idk if this is on point, but I cannot stand when white people here in Iowa let black people walk all over them. I get so pissed off, I'm like wtf. I know that they are afraid because of the way some, not all can, act here. I am not making a generalization or anything but I can honestly say a lot of the black people I have met can act so immature; swearing out loud for no reason, saying mean things and threatning people for no good reason; just plain ignorant. I'm half black and am closer to my african american family than my japanese family. I am proud that I am black, but sometimes when my fellow blacks are acting out it is so embarrasing. Its these type of people that gives blacks a bad rep. It is even worse that some white people think acting like that is cool and imitate it. They feel like they need to act out and have the dumbest fake "ghetto" accent. Drives me insane. I have noticed sometimes people would be kinda afraid to meet my family, but once they meet them they are so surprised! My family members are very polite southern peoples whom treat everyone the same. They don't act all crazy and outrageous. They don't go on about white people having them as slaves, they are over it and hold nothing against them, though they do not play about the n-word at all no matter what color you are. I hate when people try to give me crap when I stand up for black people. I say that not all of them act ignorant, anyone is capable of it and they tell me my opinion doesn't count because I am mixed, which is total bs. One thing I have always wondered is why do certain blacks act like that, when did it come to that? Do they know their past and how far things have come? I think our ancestors who fought and longed for freedom would be pissed!

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Oh yeah, white privilege totally doesn't exist.

Tzarine · 11-26-2011, 10:50 PM

That wasn't what I was saying, if you mean me lols

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Saria · 11-26-2011, 10:58 PM

Evee103, other posters here have explained why what you experienced isn't racism. There's a reason you didn't answer my questions and that's because if you do, then it becomes clear that you weren't a victim of racism.