White people and racism... no, it's not what you think

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^So, that was the past and blacks and whites are totally on equal footing!
Originally Posted by Saria
I never once said that. Please.
Originally Posted by evee103
No..you did not say that but even if you had it does not change the fact that racism against anyone is just as valid as racism against anyone else reguardless of whether or not that person's whole race has faced it more. As a person that is of color that's not difficult for me to comprehend at all. But then again, I've never been into saying something just because it's politically correct. I'm okay with myself enough to stand alone if I believe in something.
You referred to them as girls in your post, so I assumed you were talking about things that happened to you as a teen.
I'm okay with myself enough to stand alone if I believe in something.
I like that about you! I'm the same way, even if I get my arse kicked (LOL literally!) for it.
You referred to them as girls in your post, so I assumed you were talking about things that happened to you as a teen.
Originally Posted by Saria
I think this happened to her a while ago.
Yeah quite a while ago now. But it wasn't a simple case of "teen bullying" if that's what you meant.
So what do you suggest, doing nothing? Ignoring it since it's not as important? This is a classic example of how we're just supposed to "take it."

Also, I'm not a teenager. -_-
Originally Posted by evee103

Let me just add to the post above: 1492 is an approximation. I'm sure we could look back even farther back and see white folks running the show in some area of earth and trying to dominate and subjugate. My bad. Fortunately for me I don't think all white people are racist and evil, otherwise I'd probably have to off myself right now in order not to become a reverse racist.

And I didn't say you were a teenager. You said you got your ass kicked back in the day. I'm assuming that's when you were a teenager or a child. Or were you an adult getting your ass kicked on the regular in a black neighborhood? If so I am pretty shocked. Because trust....in some of the black as night areas of the US, you are not going to find black people kicking a white girl's ass regularly and getting away with it. They may not get lynched today, but there will be hell to pay. Somebody is going to jail.

What do you suggest? Because I'm not going to sit here and act like centuries of context does not exist.

Context is key. Most history books today (I hope say at least) "In the 18th century, slavery was legal in the US. Conditions were very bad, and slaves were even beaten. This ended with the Emancipation Proclamation and when the North won the Civil War." Oh ok.

Student1: "So every black person was a slave, everyone was treated badly and beaten, and the Emancipation Procalmation freed everyone?"

Student2: (side eye) "No boo, some were free, on rare occasions some even owned slaves themselves; some had one nice outfit that fit in with the style of the times and were treated well; and the Emancipation Proclamation was mostly symbolic and there were even slaves after the Civil War in some places."

Student1: "But I thought you said..."

Student2: "Look. This is why you're failing history."
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Last edited by curlyarca; 11-27-2011 at 08:53 PM.
It seems to me like the playing field has evened out and white people are mad about it. So it was okay when it was just minorities getting beaten and hung from trees, but now that it is white people being targeted someone needs to do something about it. White people are not victimized more than any minority.

You're trying to stand up for "racism" now only because you've been affected, but if you hadn't experienced that you'd have nothing to say about how a black man was killed a few months ago by a white man simply for being black.

All of a sudden white people are up in arms over racism because they received a taste of their own medicine. Well, I've been discriminated against since the day I was born...get the eff over it.


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That's like sitting up here saying, "Well, you know, of course there was a genocide against Jews. And that was unfortunate. But let's focus on the Bielski brothers. Did you see Defiance? Jews were way out of control killing all those Nazis for NO REASON. I mean, they were just having dinner with their families. They didn't even know them, and they didn't even hurt their families specifically."
Originally Posted by curlyarca
No disrespect meant at all...
I dont see how that's comparable..but I understand why you feel as you do.

There were more people during the Nazi regime that were killed and persecuted besides Jews. And some people do feel like the others should be acknowledge more as well. I can validate those feelings and at the same time recognize that my own people suffered on a larger scale. I supposed I dont see the harm in validating a person's hurts or some transgression they endured. It doesn't have to come down to well my people were hurt worse and for longer so you shut up.

I dont see how that helps anything..it just keeps the ill feelings and hatred going on both ends. Unless of course that's the goal..to one up white people just cause blacks supposedly deserve it.
Sigh. For the third time now, I'm not talking about past generations, I'm not talking about the 1400s. For the third time, I'm WELL aware of what black people went though, and well aware that overall it was much worse than anything white people have gone through.

I'm talking about today. I'm talking about what happens when there IS racism/prejudice/violence against white people. And how yes, it should be taken more seriously, because they're almost expected to just deal with it. Does anyone read what I write? Seriously.
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It seems to me like the playing field has evened out and white people are mad about it. So it was okay when it was just minorities getting beaten and hung from trees, but now that it is white people being targeted someone needs to do something about it. White people are not victimized more than any minority.

You're trying to stand up for "racism" now only because you've been affected, but if you hadn't experienced that you'd have nothing to say about how a black man was killed a few months ago by a white man simply for being black.

All of a sudden white people are up in arms over racism because they received a taste of their own medicine. Well, I've been discriminated against since the day I was born...get the eff over it.


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Originally Posted by IAmJordanNicole
No, I'm not just standing up for it because I've been personally affected. I stand up for ANYONE who is being a victim of racism/prejudice/violence. I've told rich white girls to get the eff away from me when I overheard them making racist jokes. And I've told people to get away from me when they've made fun of my asian friends. So don't even.
Sigh. For the third time now, I'm not talking about past generations, I'm not talking about the 1400s. For the third time, I'm WELL aware of what black people went though, and well aware that overall it was much worse than anything white people have gone through.

I'm talking about today. I'm talking about what happens when there IS racism/prejudice/violence against white people. And how yes, it should be taken more seriously, because they're almost expected to just deal with it. Does anyone read what I write? Seriously.
Originally Posted by evee103
What if we just address racism as a whole now rather than "racism" against whites. Even today, white are not targeted more than blacks or any other minority for that matter. Sure, you care more because you are white. But I'm kind of glad that your eyes are finally open to what hatred goes on in the world because you and your people are now being affected.

How about we stand up for the human race and not just for the people who share our skin color.


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Sigh. For the third time now, I'm not talking about past generations, I'm not talking about the 1400s. For the third time, I'm WELL aware of what black people went though, and well aware that overall it was much worse than anything white people have gone through.

I'm talking about today. I'm talking about what happens when there IS racism/prejudice/violence against white people. And how yes, it should be taken more seriously, because they're almost expected to just deal with it. Does anyone read what I write? Seriously.
Originally Posted by evee103
I see what you write, and yes the prejudice should be taken more seriously but so should the prejudice against Blacks and other minorities too. People always like to say "Stop pulling out the race card" when it comes to a Black person complaining about something race related. The world acts like it racism and/or prejudice is all gone. We ain't all holding hands and singin Kumbaya. There are still issues.

There was no reason for those people to beat you up, but to compare it to the grand scale of what still happens to minorities is what is causing issues with people. I stood up for my friend who was a Russian Jew and cursed the girl out, who was Black. So I have nothing against whites and everyone should be stood up for, but it still doesn't compare to what minorities still face on a grand scale.
I'm okay with myself enough to stand alone if I believe in something.
I like that about you! I'm the same way, even if I get my arse kicked (LOL literally!) for it.
Originally Posted by evee103
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Well I guess growing up black and Jewish..sometimes you have to learn to stand alone because in most settings..you are thee only one. I think growing up Jewish though (specifically religiously but culturally too).helped me to be strong in myself so that when I do have to stand alone..I can. And well I learned some valuable life lessons about peaceful race relations by being part black.

If you don't stand for something..you'll fall for anything. So I see both sides of this discussion and I get the emotions it evokes..I just don't agree with every opinion put forth in it and I know my view isn't popular..that's okay by me.

And goodness..try to avoid violence lady! Goodness. I feel sad that happened to you as a child but I'm glad you didn't let it make you hardened against blacks.
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Sigh. For the third time now, I'm not talking about past generations, I'm not talking about the 1400s. For the third time, I'm WELL aware of what black people went though, and well aware that overall it was much worse than anything white people have gone through.

I'm talking about today. I'm talking about what happens when there IS racism/prejudice/violence against white people. And how yes, it should be taken more seriously, because they're almost expected to just deal with it. Does anyone read what I write? Seriously.
Originally Posted by evee103
What if we just address racism as a whole now rather than "racism" against whites. Even today, white are not targeted more than blacks or any other minority for that matter. Sure, you care more because you are white. But I'm kind of glad that your eyes are finally open to what hatred goes on in the world because you and your people are now being affected.

How about we stand up for the human race and not just for the people who share our skin color.


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Originally Posted by IAmJordanNicole
I was only addressing racism against whites because 1. People don't believe it happens and 2. people don't usually like to acknowledge it.

And I'm not standing up only b/c I've been effected. I've always stood up, for everyone, because I've always seen it.
I'm okay with myself enough to stand alone if I believe in something.
I like that about you! I'm the same way, even if I get my arse kicked (LOL literally!) for it.
Originally Posted by evee103
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Well I guess growing up black and Jewish..sometimes you have to learn to stand alone because in most settings..you are thee only one. I think growing up Jewish though (specifically religiously but culturally too).helped me to be strong in myself so that when I do have to stand alone..I can. And well I learned some valuable life lessons about peaceful race relations by being part black.

If you don't stand for something..you'll fall for anything. So I see both sides of this discussion and I get the emotions it evokes..I just don't agree with every opinion put forth in it and I know my view isn't popular..that's okay by me.

And goodness..try to avoid violence lady! Goodness. I feel sad that happened to you as a child but I'm glad you didn't let it make you hardened against blacks.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
Hahahaa I avoid it nowadays! I mean, it's still all around me. I still hear gun shots from time to time. The areas around me are crazy! But it's not like I go outside like I used to when I was a kid soo no one even sees me.
Sigh. For the third time now, I'm not talking about past generations, I'm not talking about the 1400s. For the third time, I'm WELL aware of what black people went though, and well aware that overall it was much worse than anything white people have gone through.

I'm talking about today. I'm talking about what happens when there IS racism/prejudice/violence against white people. And how yes, it should be taken more seriously, because they're almost expected to just deal with it. Does anyone read what I write? Seriously.
Originally Posted by evee103
What if we just address racism as a whole now rather than "racism" against whites. Even today, white are not targeted more than blacks or any other minority for that matter. Sure, you care more because you are white. But I'm kind of glad that your eyes are finally open to what hatred goes on in the world because you and your people are now being affected.

How about we stand up for the human race and not just for the people who share our skin color.


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Originally Posted by IAmJordanNicole
I was only addressing racism against whites because 1. People don't believe it happens and 2. people don't usually like to acknowledge it.

And I'm not standing up only b/c I've been effected. I've always stood up, for everyone, because I've always seen it.
Originally Posted by evee103

I think what they are trying to get at is that racism isn't the same as prejudice...Maybe they didn't beat you up because you were white. Maybe they beat you up for another reason, but since you are white they used the phrase "Hey whitey". If they beat up a black kid maybe they would have used the phrase "Hey blacky". Did they tell you why they beat you up?


By the way, were you the only white person in your school? Because if they were targeting you because you were white then you might have heard about other white kids getting beat up too. I don't think "racist" beat up just one specific white person (in this case it's white).

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Sigh. For the third time now, I'm not talking about past generations, I'm not talking about the 1400s. For the third time, I'm WELL aware of what black people went though, and well aware that overall it was much worse than anything white people have gone through.

I'm talking about today. I'm talking about what happens when there IS racism/prejudice/violence against white people. And how yes, it should be taken more seriously, because they're almost expected to just deal with it. Does anyone read what I write? Seriously.
Originally Posted by evee103
What if we just address racism as a whole now rather than "racism" against whites. Even today, white are not targeted more than blacks or any other minority for that matter. Sure, you care more because you are white. But I'm kind of glad that your eyes are finally open to what hatred goes on in the world because you and your people are now being affected.

How about we stand up for the human race and not just for the people who share our skin color.


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Originally Posted by IAmJordanNicole
I was only addressing racism against whites because 1. People don't believe it happens and 2. people don't usually like to acknowledge it.

And I'm not standing up only b/c I've been effected. I've always stood up, for everyone, because I've always seen it.
Originally Posted by evee103
It's not that no one acknowledges it, it's just that no one cares. You guys are the last ones to join the party...you're late!!! Welcome to the "people hate me because of my skin color" club, I'm sorry but no one cares. No one cares when I'm discriminated against, and no one cared when you're discriminated against...get off your soap box!


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That's like sitting up here saying, "Well, you know, of course there was a genocide against Jews. And that was unfortunate. But let's focus on the Bielski brothers. Did you see Defiance? Jews were way out of control killing all those Nazis for NO REASON. I mean, they were just having dinner with their families. They didn't even know them, and they didn't even hurt their families specifically."
Originally Posted by curlyarca
No disrespect meant at all...
I dont see how that's comparable..but I understand why you feel as you do.

There were more people during the Nazi regime that were killed and persecuted besides Jews. And some people do feel like the others should be acknowledge more as well. I can validate those feelings and at the same time recognize that my own people suffered on a larger scale. I supposed I dont see the harm in validating a person's hurts or some transgression they endured. It doesn't have to come down to well my people were hurt worse and for longer so you shut up.

I dont see how that helps anything..it just keeps the ill feelings and hatred going on both ends. Unless of course that's the goal..to one up white people just cause blacks supposedly deserve it.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
"White racism" to me is just another twisted way of erasing context.

You know, David Duke made this video about how Inglorious Basterds encourages murder. When I hear attitudes like supporting this "white racism" theory, this is what I think about. (Don't watch this if you do not want to hear what he has to say and there is a violent scene from Inglorious Basterds included and a violent scene from Hostel, too. He also goes in on how Eli Roth is an evil Jew. *****, please....he's just using his platform to hate on Jews....the REAL reason he made this video. And the REAL reason why less than 40 years post the Civil Rights Act we have "white racism".)

Hollywood Basterds by David Duke - YouTube

I just read your post on being black and Jewish, Marah. I feel I can relate, because I was not raised Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindi....I was raised nothing. So, yeah, I know about being "the only one." For me, this is not about being politically correct or too cool for school or whatever.

I see what you're both saying, but no....white racism/reverse racism? The very idea implies that racism doesn't apply to whites or some "mysterious" body. I think "reverse racism" is the manifestation of some white people looking around and seeing their upper hand slipping away in some way. That has got to be scary, so I understand the fear.

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Last edited by curlyarca; 11-27-2011 at 09:21 PM.
I like that about you! I'm the same way, even if I get my arse kicked (LOL literally!) for it.
Originally Posted by evee103
u

Well I guess growing up black and Jewish..sometimes you have to learn to stand alone because in most settings..you are thee only one. I think growing up Jewish though (specifically religiously but culturally too).helped me to be strong in myself so that when I do have to stand alone..I can. And well I learned some valuable life lessons about peaceful race relations by being part black.

If you don't stand for something..you'll fall for anything. So I see both sides of this discussion and I get the emotions it evokes..I just don't agree with every opinion put forth in it and I know my view isn't popular..that's okay by me.

And goodness..try to avoid violence lady! Goodness. I feel sad that happened to you as a child but I'm glad you didn't let it make you hardened against blacks.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
Hahahaa I avoid it nowadays! I mean, it's still all around me. I still hear gun shots from time to time. The areas around me are crazy! But it's not like I go outside like I used to when I was a kid soo no one even sees me.
Originally Posted by evee103
Glad to hear that you avoid it..but sorry to hear you still live in what sounds like a rather rough neighborhood. In my neighborhood you're lucky if you hear a truck backfire..LOL!
It's not that no one acknowledges it, it's just that no one cares. You guys are the last ones to join the party...you're late!!! Welcome to the "people hate me because of my skin color" club, I'm sorry but no one cares. No one cares when I'm discriminated against, and no one cared when you're discriminated against...get off your soap box!
Well jee, thanks. Least you said it point blank.

Cept people DO care when blacks are discriminated against. Alot.

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