A white woman is the only love interest in new movie "Red Tails (Tuskegee Airmen)"

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I had a fear of math in 4th grade. The best advice I can give is that math takes practice. Also in many higher level classes you have the curve on your side because its challenging to everyone. One thing that helped me was to focus in the classroom and check everything else at the door. The other is to work in groups with other students. You may get something you missed from the lecture that another person was able to grasp. I got much better in high school with this approach.

Also, not every sciencitific career involves a ton of math. Researching possible career options and working backwards to determine courses to take in high school and college helps.
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Originally Posted by Trenell
Yeah, I "hear" what you are saying Sienna..but what does one really have to do with the other ? The fact that blacks want to act or be entertainers has nothing to do with there being a lack of blacks being instrumental in advancements that impact society for the better. Furthermore, acting and entertaining can impact society for the better. Depends on what it is..and how it's done.

And I'd like to point out that contrary to popular belief that there are PLENTY of blacks doing just that creating, helping with, inventing, and coming up with excellent advancements to better society..but you don't hear about them. For instance: Jerry Lawson, Scott Williams, Valerie Thomas, Sylvester James Gates, James A. Harris, Rick Kittles, Dr. Patricia Bath, George Alcorn. Just to name a small few but I could give you TONS more of current black inventors, scientists, and mathematicians, and or professors that have contributed tremendously to society for the better..and I'm not talking about folks as old as George Washington Carver..I'm talking about modern blacks.

So blacks are contributing and in BIG ways. They just don't get that vast and public recognition and it's unfortunate that you as a person of color don't seem to recognize those facts. Maybe YOU need to do some more research and stop listening to the rhetoric about what blacks DON'T contribute to society. Because blacks have always contributed to the betterment of American society when they had an opportunity and continue to do so. This country (USA) was built on the backs of blacks..and many of them had their inventions and patents stolen from them by whites that have bettered this country.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I'm married to a scientist so for me its not rhetoric. Its reality and its bleak where I am. Trust me we are not around in the numbers we need to be. How many black ppl know that grad school is practically free for those in science? Not many. My whole family was ignorant to that little tidbit along with many other ppl I know.

I'm not saying we can't impact positively via entertainment. We have in the past. But, there are other tangible careers our ppl don' seem to believe they can pursue.

Trenell, I apologize if I offended you that wasn' my intention. I also believe that if one wants to be an entertainer they should be educated in their craft. A lot of folks want to take the easy way and be "discovered" not go to peeforming arts schools, conservatories, etc.

I really think there is a lack of blacks in science and math. Even on tv. We are doing the voice over on the science channel but we aren't doing tge science.

Completely off topic. Sorry.
Originally Posted by sienna40
Okay..that's nice but blacks wanting to be entertainers and being entertainers have NOTHING to do with that..at all. And you tied the two in your post..I didn't.

So in light of this post..What do you consider enough black people contributing to the betterment of society with math and science ? I mean how do you personally measure that ? And where do the numbers "need to be" for you ? I mean what 25% of blacks ...42%..what 80% ?

Blacks here in the USA are 13% of the population which you know. Not all of them have the opportunity to do what your husband does and will never get it. Some aren't interested in it. And that's a personal choice and their right to make that choice. BTW, I'd be interested to know what exactly you or your husband has contributed for the betterment of society ? What did he or you invent, discover, or figure out that's now benefiting society in the field of mathematics and science ?

To me, your post disreguarded the fact that yes there are plenty of blacks contributing in big ways in science, math..and other fields that benefit society...and entertainment can't be one of those things. If you just simply felt there needs to be more..I would have thought you'd have said that and left the entertainment issue out of it because they really don't have anything to do with eachother.

It looks to me you are back pedalling now because Trenell commented and I said what I did. And I mean this not as shade or to be rude..but hey..you put it out there and to me your view was pretty clear. You said it..own it.

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I think its worth mentioning that we spend a lot of time trying to mainstream into hollywood when we need more Blacks, hell more Americans, in science & math, especially females. We are too busy chasing fame & glory through the entertainment industry. Jmo. The tuskeegee airmen were not mainstream actors. We need to stop playing useful ppl on the tv & big screen and be instrumental in advancing something that impacts society for the better.
Originally Posted by sienna40

I'm an actor. It is my chosen profession and my passion. There is nothing wrong that.
Originally Posted by Trenell
I think it's just as important to have black people in the arts as it is to have black people in the sciences, medicine, law etc. IMO, lack of arts education in the schools is one reason why music on the radio is so craptacular these days. Where will the next Quincy Jones come from if s/he isn't nurtured to go in that direction. It would be very sad if the world were only made up of non-creative types.

ETA: I am a Research Biologist, BTW. . .

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I've read and reread the OP & thought long and hard about how to respond. I have not seen the film. I can't make judgements on something I haven't seen and I would be wrong to go to bat for something I don't know any facts about. I am a firm believer in choosing my battle wisely. Even if there are no black women in the film and the only love interest is white, that still is not enough of a reason for me not to watch it. It is not a movie that was high on my list of films to check out, but I'm sure I will eventually get around to seeing it.

I have to wonder in which context this interracial "relationship" was taking place. Was is a secret, private relationship? Those have existed for a very long time. While it wasn't socially acceptable in the 40s for the to take place, they happened only they occurred behind closed doors. Were the two characters only sleeping together? Did they have an established relationship or was it something fleeting? I just have a lot of questions about it.

Even without those questions being answered, I still wouldn't boycott the film.

As Black people we only make up a small percentage of this country so for us to have mass marketing appeal is something that will be difficult. There are more black characters showing up on TV shows that air on major networks, and a lot of these characters are not stereotypical "inner city" people. Yes we have a lonnnnnnnnnnnng way to go but I think we are taking steps in the right direction. Nobody is going to get it 100% right.
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amazing fact. The Red Tails didnt lose a single bomber that they escorted during WWII. I saw the movie starring Lawrence Fishburne way back. It was low budget but pretty good. I'll probably see this also.

Note* I think it was a particular squadron that didn't lose a single escorted bomber. As a whole they lost 25 bombers which is still incredible considering the number of sorties they flew

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i uploaded this just for you guys.
this is a pic of tuskegee airman freddie hutchins who married my great aunt gloria.

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you know, we can't be puppets and fools.
we really need to concentrate on important things and boycotting this movie is really probably the last thing we need to worry about.
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Is there anyone here who hadn't heard of the Tuskagee Airmen before this movie became news? Particularly, anyone black?

Genuinely curious. My parents were very adamant about teaching me and my sis about black world history...and even if they hadn't been, I also learned about the Tuskagee Airmen at my predominantly black elementary school. Who exactly is this movie supposed to be educating? Are most black people really that uninformed? If not, then seeing this movie is probably one of the last things we need to worry about. I mean, unless you just like war films or are a WWII buff.

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(oh lawrd, i hope the one who was seeing the white woman wasn't named freddie!)

Yeah, I "hear" what you are saying Sienna..but what does one really have to do with the other ? The fact that blacks want to act or be entertainers has nothing to do with there being a lack of blacks being instrumental in advancements that impact society for the better. Furthermore, acting and entertaining can impact society for the better. Depends on what it is..and how it's done.

And I'd like to point out that contrary to popular belief that there are PLENTY of blacks doing just that creating, helping with, inventing, and coming up with excellent advancements to better society..but you don't hear about them. For instance: Jerry Lawson, Scott Williams, Valerie Thomas, Sylvester James Gates, James A. Harris, Rick Kittles, Dr. Patricia Bath, George Alcorn. Just to name a small few but I could give you TONS more of current black inventors, scientists, and mathematicians, and or professors that have contributed tremendously to society for the better..and I'm not talking about folks as old as George Washington Carver..I'm talking about modern blacks.

So blacks are contributing and in BIG ways. They just don't get that vast and public recognition and it's unfortunate that you as a person of color don't seem to recognize those facts. Maybe YOU need to do some more research and stop listening to the rhetoric about what blacks DON'T contribute to society. Because blacks have always contributed to the betterment of American society when they had an opportunity and continue to do so. This country (USA) was built on the backs of blacks..and many of them had their inventions and patents stolen from them by whites that have bettered this country.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I'm married to a scientist so for me its not rhetoric. Its reality and its bleak where I am. Trust me we are not around in the numbers we need to be. How many black ppl know that grad school is practically free for those in science? Not many. My whole family was ignorant to that little tidbit along with many other ppl I know.

I'm not saying we can't impact positively via entertainment. We have in the past. But, there are other tangible careers our ppl don' seem to believe they can pursue.

Trenell, I apologize if I offended you that wasn' my intention. I also believe that if one wants to be an entertainer they should be educated in their craft. A lot of folks want to take the easy way and be "discovered" not go to peeforming arts schools, conservatories, etc.

I really think there is a lack of blacks in science and math. Even on tv. We are doing the voice over on the science channel but we aren't doing tge science.

Completely off topic. Sorry.
Originally Posted by sienna40
Okay..that's nice but blacks wanting to be entertainers and being entertainers have NOTHING to do with that..at all. And you tied the two in your post..I didn't.

So in light of this post..What do you consider enough black people contributing to the betterment of society with math and science ? I mean how do you personally measure that ? And where do the numbers "need to be" for you ? I mean what 25% of blacks ...42%..what 80% ?

Blacks here in the USA are 13% of the population which you know. Not all of them have the opportunity to do what your husband does and will never get it. Some aren't interested in it. And that's a personal choice and their right to make that choice. BTW, I'd be interested to know what exactly you or your husband has contributed for the betterment of society ? What did he or you invent, discover, or figure out that's now benefiting society in the field of mathematics and science ?

To me, your post disreguarded the fact that yes there are plenty of blacks contributing in big ways in science, math..and other fields that benefit society...and entertainment can't be one of those things. If you just simply felt there needs to be more..I would have thought you'd have said that and left the entertainment issue out of it because they really don't have anything to do with eachother.

It looks to me you are back pedalling now because Trenell commented and I said what I did. And I mean this not as shade or to be rude..but hey..you put it out there and to me your view was pretty clear. You said it..own it.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
It must be the highlight of your day to chump folks on this board. You also like to talk down to ppl. I sometimes agree with some of your statements but this time you seem to want to insult me. Shade or no shade.

I am making a few contributions (I run a small biz if you really need to know). I'm not walking back my statement. We are 13% of the population but we are the majority of athletes and music artists. I love entertainment but we need an energy alternative because gas is too high & its hurting the environment.

Trenell is doing what she wants. Thats great. I don't see why we can't inspire our children to pursue different careers and opportunities that are realistic. Opportunities that many have but are unaware of. I don't consider ANYTHING impossuble. I know some ppl are doing big things in Math & science but if we didn't need more I wouldn' have mentioned it.

I simply saw a correlation between black women struggling for work in hollywood while there are opportunities elsewhere. I apologize if I offended you with my wishes for my brothers and sisters of color.
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It must be the highlight of your day to chump folks on this board. You also like to talk down to ppl. I sometimes agree with some of your statements but this time you seem to want to insult me. Shade or no shade.

I am making a few contributions (I run a small biz if you really need to know). I'm not walking back my statement. We are 13% of the population but we are the majority of athletes and music artists. I love entertainment but we need an energy alternative because gas is too high & its hurting the environment.

Trenell is doing what she wants. Thats great. I don't see why we can't inspire our children to pursue different careers and opportunities that are realistic. Opportunities that many have but are unaware of. I don't consider ANYTHING impossuble. I know some ppl are doing big things in Math & science but if we didn't need more I wouldn' have mentioned it.

I simply saw a correlation between black women struggling for work in hollywood while there are opportunities elsewhere. I apologize if I offended you with my wishes for my brothers and sisters of color.
Originally Posted by sienna40
No. I'm just not for BS and coddling grown folks. And I call it out when and if I feel like it. And for the record, you don't know me so you don't know what I really like to do one way or the other. If that doesn't sit well with you (or anyone else here) it just doesn't. You said what you said and now you've back tracked. Me not agreeing with your accessment has nothing to do with insulting you. If you took it that way..that's on you. I don't have some personal vendetta against Sienna40. Hell, I barely just really started noticing you around here recently.

And no you didn't offend me with your wishes but it would have been nice if you would have expressed them as just that..wishes for blacks instead of having to down blacks that get into entertainment instead of what you think are more noble fields. So like I said I'm not for the BS so now after the fact please don't try to use the "Oh my poor black brothas and sistas all I'm trying to do is elevate my people" act with me. You said what you said. Point blank. If you meant something else there is no harm is clarification rather than jumping to defend something you really didn't convey.

And if my demeanor is that much of an issue for you..they have a nifty ignore feature on NC from what I understand. You can always utilize it.

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We can't deny that this is a sensitive topic, a " hot" topic but everyone does have they're own opinion about life and how we live it. Sometimes it isn't pretty and there's a lot of hate. Which is unfortunate. Bottom line and getting back to the original topic. For me, I don't care who dates who. I don't care how Hollywood would like to portray me as a black women. I'm an individual and all I can do is worry about me and how I live my life. I will date out side my race or inside my race with no fear. And love everyone as myself. I'm not worried about a silly movie or who anyone is dating. This is just my own opinion 😊
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Just came across this from Tyler Perry:

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The Problem with an all-star African American Cast...

Unfortunately, movies starring an all African American cast are on the verge of becoming extinct. THAT’S RIGHT, EXTINCT! Ask any executive at a Hollywood Studio why, and most of them will tell you one of two things. The first thing they’ll say is that DVD sales have become very soft, so it’s hard for a movie with an all black cast to break-even. Secondly they’ll say, most movies are now dependent on foreign sales to be successful and most “black” movies don’t sell well in foreign markets. So what that means is you will begin to see less and less films that star an all black cast. Isn’t that sad in a 2012 America? Somewhere along the way we still haven’t realized that we are more alike then not.

I must tell you that I have been very fortunate to work with a studio that sees the value in my type of storytelling and filmmaking. As well as having you, an audience of all races of people, who have stood by me arm and arm. It has helped me navigate through some pretty rough waters.

I thought that as black people in Hollywood, this is just our reality, but I quickly realized that this is not racism. What made me realize this is I had a conversation with Mr. Star Wars himself, George Lucas, and he was telling me that he was having the same problem with Red Tails. I was blown away! Red Tails is an important story about, not just black history, but American history about the Tuskegee Airmen. It has an all-star African American cast, including Cuba Gooding Jr. and Terrence Howard, which opens this Friday. He went on to say that he brought the movie idea of Red Tails to several studios and no one wanted to make this film…. AND THIS IS GEORGE LUCAS! Not to be deterred, he put up his own money, shot the movie then took it back to those same studios, and they wanted nothing to do with it. One of them even refused to see the film, citing the above mentioned problems. So George decided to take a huge risk by entirely funding the movie and releasing it himself. What a guy! For him to believe so strongly in this story is amazing. I think we should pull together and get behind this movie. I really do! Not just African Americans, but all of us. I have seen the movie and screened it here in Atlanta. I loved it and I think you will too. The Tuskegee Airmen, who were at the screening, were so happy that somebody is telling a small part of their story.

It opens this Friday. Please take your kids, you will enjoy it and so will they. There is a lot of action and adventure and also a great history lesson to be learned.

George, I just want to say, thank you for having the courage to do this.

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if you would have expressed them as just that..wishes for blacks instead of having to down blacks that get into entertainment instead of what you think are more noble fields..
Originally Posted by *Marah*
And that was what my problem with the statement.

For the record I am dead serious about my craft. I am a classically trained actress who STILL take classes when I can. I've been at this for 10 years, with the last 5 not needing to have any other type of non-acting job.


There was also some thing about playing famous characters not being important. Again, I beg to differ. I have on ongoing gig at the History Center where I play Bessie Coleman and Zora Neal Hurston. Every time a kid comes through the tour I am exposing them to two African-American women that did something in the face of a lot of injustice.

Growing up, I was really good in math and science Won awards. But I leaned towards the creative. My degree is in Advertising. Sure I COULD have went after science, but Why? JUST so I could make more money? Honestly, I may not be rolling in the big bucks now, but I am so very happy with my life.

I just really really really dislike the notion that the arts is less than.


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It must be the highlight of your day to chump folks on this board. You also like to talk down to ppl. I sometimes agree with some of your statements but this time you seem to want to insult me. Shade or no shade.

I am making a few contributions (I run a small biz if you really need to know). I'm not walking back my statement. We are 13% of the population but we are the majority of athletes and music artists. I love entertainment but we need an energy alternative because gas is too high & its hurting the environment.

Trenell is doing what she wants. Thats great. I don't see why we can't inspire our children to pursue different careers and opportunities that are realistic. Opportunities that many have but are unaware of. I don't consider ANYTHING impossuble. I know some ppl are doing big things in Math & science but if we didn't need more I wouldn' have mentioned it.

I simply saw a correlation between black women struggling for work in hollywood while there are opportunities elsewhere. I apologize if I offended you with my wishes for my brothers and sisters of color.
Originally Posted by sienna40
No. I'm just not for BS and coddling grown folks. And I call it out when and if I feel like it. And for the record, you don't know me so you don't know what I really like to do one way or the other. If that doesn't sit well with you (or anyone else here) it just doesn't. You said what you said and now you've back tracked. Me not agreeing with your accessment has nothing to do with insulting you. If you took it that way..that's on you. I don't have some personal vendetta against Sienna40. Hell, I barely just really started noticing you around here recently.

And no you didn't offend me with your wishes but it would have been nice if you would have expressed them as just that..wishes for blacks instead of having to down blacks that get into entertainment instead of what you think are more noble fields. So like I said I'm not for the BS so now after the fact please don't try to use the "Oh my poor black brothas and sistas all I'm trying to do is elevate my people" act with me. You said what you said. Point blank. If you meant something else there is no harm is clarification rather than jumping to defend something you really didn't convey.

And if my demeanor is that much of an issue for you..they have a nifty ignore feature on NC from what I understand. You can always utilize it.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
Okay, thats nice. We disagree. Sorry I didn't express myself in the way you wanted. I will check with you before I express myself on this forum since I'm new and new ppl have no right to say what they think. Have a great day. I am sure you have no vendetta, but you are quite the cyber bully. I have seen a number of your posts "calling it how you see it" what is code for putting ppl down.
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I think its worth mentioning that we spend a lot of time trying to mainstream into hollywood when we need more Blacks, hell more Americans, in science & math, especially females. We are too busy chasing fame & glory through the entertainment industry. Jmo. The tuskeegee airmen were not mainstream actors. We need to stop playing useful ppl on the tv & big screen and be instrumental in advancing something that impacts society for the better.
Originally Posted by sienna40

I'm an actor. It is my chosen profession and my passion. There is nothing wrong that.
Originally Posted by Trenell
I know. I'm like, damn, people can't pursue both?! Whatever.

"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer."

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Yeah, I "hear" what you are saying Sienna..but what does one really have to do with the other ? The fact that blacks want to act or be entertainers has nothing to do with there being a lack of blacks being instrumental in advancements that impact society for the better. Furthermore, acting and entertaining can impact society for the better. Depends on what it is..and how it's done.

And I'd like to point out that contrary to popular belief that there are PLENTY of blacks doing just that creating, helping with, inventing, and coming up with excellent advancements to better society..but you don't hear about them. For instance: Jerry Lawson, Scott Williams, Valerie Thomas, Sylvester James Gates, James A. Harris, Rick Kittles, Dr. Patricia Bath, George Alcorn. Just to name a small few but I could give you TONS more of current black inventors, scientists, and mathematicians, and or professors that have contributed tremendously to society for the better..and I'm not talking about folks as old as George Washington Carver..I'm talking about modern blacks.

So blacks are contributing and in BIG ways. They just don't get that vast and public recognition and it's unfortunate that you as a person of color don't seem to recognize those facts. Maybe YOU need to do some more research and stop listening to the rhetoric about what blacks DON'T contribute to society. Because blacks have always contributed to the betterment of American society when they had an opportunity and continue to do so. This country (USA) was built on the backs of blacks..and many of them had their inventions and patents stolen from them by whites that have bettered this country.
Originally Posted by *Marah*
I'm married to a scientist so for me its not rhetoric. Its reality and its bleak where I am. Trust me we are not around in the numbers we need to be. How many black ppl know that grad school is practically free for those in science? Not many. My whole family was ignorant to that little tidbit along with many other ppl I know.

I'm not saying we can't impact positively via entertainment. We have in the past. But, there are other tangible careers our ppl don' seem to believe they can pursue.

Trenell, I apologize if I offended you that wasn' my intention. I also believe that if one wants to be an entertainer they should be educated in their craft. A lot of folks want to take the easy way and be "discovered" not go to peeforming arts schools, conservatories, etc.

I really think there is a lack of blacks in science and math. Even on tv. We are doing the voice over on the science channel but we aren't doing tge science.

Completely off topic. Sorry.
Originally Posted by sienna40
I agree regarding more blacks in science and math. I have trying to push (gently) into a more science or math oriented major. She has an absolute fear of math, due to a teacher who harshly criticized in fourth grade about a math score on a test. She acquaints science with having good math skills, so she is shying away from that field. The world would be her oyster if she could get past her phobia. Any suggestions?
Originally Posted by juanab

I was reading an article recently indicating that the end of grades 3 and 4 are crucial for math success? No idea where I read it though. But I could relate....that's where/when my math issues started.

"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer."

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I do get the point of having the only love interest be a white woman in an all black cast. It does make you go "hmm." And I'm sure that was to make it appeal to a "larger" audience.

But I don't really care, honestly. The larger audience tended to flock to "The Help", and I hated that ****. If a token white lady in a movie will make more of the larger audience come out to see this movie, which actually seems reasonably good, then great. I'm so glad this isn't another Madea production.

But who the actors are married to or dating? Don't care. If George Lucas is in an interracial relationship, um, yeah, he's probably going to want to promote them. Just saying.

"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer."

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I do get the point of having the only love interest be a white woman in an all black cast. It does make you go "hmm." And I'm sure that was to make it appeal to a "larger" audience.

But I don't really care, honestly. The larger audience tended to flock to "The Help", and I hated that ****. If a token white lady in a movie will make more of the larger audience come out to see this movie, which actually seems reasonably good, then great. I'm so glad this isn't another Madea production.

But who the actors are married to or dating? Don't care. If George Lucas is in an interracial relationship, um, yeah, he's probably going to want to promote them. Just saying.
Originally Posted by curlyarca

Ion know..but wasn't that illegal back then?
I haven't seen the movie so I don't even know what the love story part is about, I mean it could play into it being frowned upon back then and what not, but everyone said its a good movie.

My parents still get looks, and they were like one of the first interracial couples in my town back in the dizzay.


Star wars I like, all I have to add that is.
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Whether it was illegal back then or not is irrelevant as far as what George Lucas' motives were since he had most of the control over this film.

But to entertain the point of "it was illegal" I've never seen any version of this story. This tangent of the movie could be entirely fictional. Or maybe it's in another country where it wasn't illegal. And I'm not sure if there was de jure anti-miscegenation all over the USA. De facto? Probably in most areas, including Alabama.

"In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer."

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For those of you still in denial about this, The Miami Herald has confirmed, that indeed one of the black pilots actually MARRIES a white woman in the film, "Red Tails" (this being the ONLY romantic storyline in the movie):

"The love story between Little and an Italian girl who he marries begs the question of what would happen to them after the war. Would he be able to take her home to America? Would he come back for her? The film answers the immediate question, but not the larger one."

Link:
'Red Tails' - Movies Wires - MiamiHerald.com

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